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> 2008 Vsr-10 Upgrade Guide, the new one
Chris R
post Jan 13 2008, 04:08 PM
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Better Bent Than Broken's guide on this topic has served it's time well, but it is a little out of date, so I have taken it upon myself to write a newer guide, with all the knowledge we have gained from 2007.

BARREL OPTIONS
Tightbore barrels are always a great way to improve your accuracy, but they aren't "needed" to maintain high velocities. Of course you should try to get one, as they are a crucial part, but if you see it fit, you don’t need to buy one.
Remember: 303mm for a gspec, and 430mm for a pro. GET THE RIGHT SIZE!!!11!!one!11

1. PDI 6.01 mm barrel

This is the best barrel on the market, with the best tolerances, although it is the priciest. $155

2. EDGI 6.01 mm barrel
This is the second best barrel on the market, with less tolerances that the pdi, but a unique 10mm outer diameter, that eats up vibrations, and proves to be quite effective. It is made by a guy out in the phillipines and his email adress is______
$_______

3. DB Custom 6.01 barrel

The third best, with about the same tolerances as EDGI, but a standard 8mm outer diameter. $60

***Along with a new barrel, you should get a new hop up bucking. Try the Firefly one
For above 400fps:link
For below 400fps:link
Some preffer nineball, but we think firefly is superior due to the two point design.


***Also along with a new barrel, be sure to pick up some barrel spacers. They keep the barrel in the center of the outer barrel. It keeps the barrel straight, and helps accuracy.
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~400 fps Total: $13 + s/h
-Laylax 120 spring link
$13

That's it!----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

~430 fps Total: $72 + s/h
-Laylax 130 spring link
$15

-PDI First sear link
$35

-PDI Second Sear link
$22

That's it!------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

~500 fps Total: $166 + s/h
-Laylax 150 spring link
$18

-PDI First sear link
$35

-PDI Second Sear link
$22

-Laylax Spring Guide Stopper link
$21

-Laylax high pressure piston (red) link
$21

-Laylax Spring Guide link
$25

***Notes
It is not necessary, but if you want to you can buy the Laylax zero trigger system which is strong enough to handle a 210 spring!!! It comes with an orange piston that cannot be used with the normal sears because it is of a different shape. Also, If you are finding that your bolt pull is a little stiff, you could invest in the Laylax teflon coated cylinder which is more durable than the stock cylinder and is easier to pull due to the teflon.

That’s it!----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

~550 fps Total:

-Laylax 170 spring link
$18

-Laylax Zero Trigger Set (includes orange piston) link
$185

-Laylax Spring Guide link
$25

-Laylax Teflon Cylinder link
$115

-Laylax Air Seal Damper Cylinder Head link
$19

***Notes
The Zero Trigger is absolutely necessary for the 170 spring. Without it, the trigger pull would be too heavy. Also, the Teflon Cylinder is needed, without it, the bolt pull would be too hard.

That’s it!----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

~620 fps Total:

-Laylax 190 spring link
$18

-Laylax Zero Trigger Set (includes orange piston) link
$185

-Laylax Spring Guide link
$25

-Laylax Teflon Cylinder link
$115

-Laylax Air Seal Damper Cylinder Head link
$19

***Notes
The Zero Trigger is absolutely necessary for the 190 spring. Without it, the trigger pull would be too heavy. Also, the Teflon Cylinder is needed, without it, the bolt pull would be too hard.

That’s it!----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

~680 fps Total:

-Laylax 210 spring (link not available)$18

-Laylax Zero Trigger Set (includes orange piston) link
$185

-Laylax Spring Guide link
$25

-Laylax Teflon Cylinder link
$115

-Laylax Air Seal Damper Cylinder Head link
$19

***Notes
The Zero Trigger is absolutely necessary for the 190 spring. Without it, the trigger pull would be too heavy. Also, the Teflon Cylinder is needed, without it, the bolt pull would be too hard.

That’s it!----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

RocketPropeldCorn's Q&A Section

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Q: Why can’t I put in any spring I want to without replacing parts?
A: Many parts will either break or wear out more quickly due to the higher pressure of the spring. Consult the guide to figure out what suits your needs.

Q: How do I maximize accuracy without breaking the bank?
A: Tightbores, barrel spacers, and hopup rubbers are all relatively cheap, but great parts. These are the first things that should be changed in a sniper rifle.

Q: I’m trying to replace parts in my cylinder, but I can’t open it like its jammed shut. What’s wrong?
A: Your cylinder pin is still in tact. Refer to Von Luck’s guide:
http://www.airsoftforum.com/board/VSR-Cylinder-Pin-Removal-t39751.html

Q: I want to upgrade my rifle to a higher FPS but I don’t understand why a Zero Trigger is better than new sears. Why is that?
A: A Zero Trigger provides a number of advantages over upgraded sears. First of all, it lasts much longer than sears would. It has been proven that a well maintained ZT can still perform perfectly, with no signs of wear, after over a year or use and abuse. On top of that, the zero trigger provides the lightest trigger pull of any trigger system on the market. Lastly, it is said to increase accuracy by a small margin. The ninety-degree sear system in the zero trigger provides a cleaner release of the piston, which results in less vibrations, and more accuracy.

Q: What is “Bore-up?”
A: Bore-up is a series of parts that have a larger cylinder. The larger cylinder contains more air, so the piston can “push more out,” if you will. This results in more FPS for a lighter trigger pull. It also allows you to use a longer inner barrel because the cylinder: barrel is in check.

Q: I’ve upgraded my VSR with a zero trigger (along with other parts). It is not firing at the correct FPS for the spring. It is firing very slowly, and only shoots about 50-100 feet. Why is this?
A: The O-ring that comes with the zero trigger’s piston is garbage. Use the O-ring from the stock piston for the best results.

Q: I’ve worked inside my trigger box/ put in a new trigger system and the sears are not catching the piston. What’s wrong?
A: Odds are that the trigger box is not screwed onto the receiver all the way. Make sure that you have the correct piston to match the trigger system you are using (Red goes to a 45 degree while orange goes to a zero trigger, aka a 90 degree).

Q: I’ve installed a two piece spring guide and now the piston doesn’t catch from time to time. What’s up with it?
A: The spring guide is unscrewing. Use lock-tight to secure the two halves of the guide

Q: My outer barrel is making a grinding sound when I try to unscrew it. What’s wrong?
A: make sure the screws on the bottom of the receiver and the foremost one on the scope mount are removed. If that doesn’t work, the threads might be misaligned.

Q: What is the advantage of the VSR’s hop up unit over its competitors?
A: The VSR’s hop up unit uses a “V” type cut in it, so it grips the BB better, which results in more range.



That’s it!----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

762's PDI Bore-Up Parts Review

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First Off, I figure it is appropriate for me to discuss my history with airsoft “sniper” rifles so that people can see my point of view for this review. I personally have owned a Tanaka M40, a Maruzen APS 2 EX, a Classic Army M24, a SR 15 (Hurricane body, Systema gearbox etc...) and a Maruzen Type 96. All of which have been upgraded. I have also done work on other peoples rifles mainly Maruzens, and TM VSRs. Then of course I have shot other people’s personal rifles. So hopefully that may hope to establish some credibility for my knowledge on the subject at hand.

Another thing I would like to do is dispel a few myths. First is that airsoft sniper rifles cannot shoot at distances much further than an AEG. This is false and for example here is a video I made for someone interested in buying a replica from me. The video is me hitting a teammate at 100 yards.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77L25jF1TFo

Also the idea that spring rifles are impossible to cycle when upgraded. Yes, they are not as easy as gas rifles. However with proper technique you can quickly cycle the bolt of even a heavily upgraded spring sniper rifle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khrFKAkMMH0

So with all of these other rifles why would you keep buying more of them, and the answer is of course the look of the rifle, and more importantly to find the best performance possible. This quest took me to finally the Tokyo Marui VSR series. The VSRs feature its legendary two prong hop up system which allows a more even and better grip on the bb. This equates to a more stable flight path and more accuracy.

As a side note I also wanted a VSR for its light weight. I understand many people complain about it being more toyish, but from my point of view I am looking for a skirmish rifle not a wall hanger so the lack of weight is a blessing.

Now why the bore up? This is of course because of the quest for the best performance. I knew that if I did not get the bore up kit then I would just spend time thinking about how it could be with a bore up kit as opposed to the regular cylinder dimensions.

So without further ado this is the parts list I will be using for my VSR

TM VSR 10 G-Spec
PDI EZY Bore Up Receiver
PDI 690-mm Light Outer Barrel
PDI Barrel End Cap
6 Sets of PDI Barrel Spacers
PDI 6.01mm 554-mm Tight-bore Barrel for TM VSR 10
PDI Premier Bore Up Cylinder Set VC
FF PSS2 170 spring (APS 11/13-mm spring will explain in the article why)
Firefly Hard Type Hop Up bucking for VSR 10
FF PSS10 Bolt Handle for VSR10
PDI Bore Up V trigger


A Rough Installation Guide

If you are going to be installing your own parts their are plenty of helpful guides on forums, just read those and you should be fine they explain everything. Also the fact that spring rifles are so simple also makes it very easy to do your own work even if you are new to it.

First step separate the stock and receiver/outer barrel assembly. Very easy remove the screws on the bottom of the replica


Secondly remove the outer barrel, and then pull out the stock barrel and stock hop assembly.After disassembling the hop up you can drop in the new barrel and hop up.

Here you can see images of the VSR hop up system, and the v cut in the Firefly Hop Up rubber. Also there is an image of teflon taping the hop up to remove any possible air leaks.

(sorry for pic quality, could not get camera to focus)

Firefly Bucking


Teflon tape


Bore Up Cylinder

Now a more interesting part. There is a lack of information on the PDI Bore Up parts so I hope I can explain and answer some peoples questions.

First up is an image of a stock Maruzen Cylinder (left), a stock VSR Cylinder, and then the Bore Up cylinder (right)



As you can see the diameter of the Maruzen is smallest, the stock VSR is in the middle, and the Bore Up is the largest diameter by 1-mm over the stock VSR.

Next are the lengths of the cylinders, the VSR is shorter than the Maruzen


Now that we are passed the cylinder we can look at the Vacuum Piston and cylinder. The general theory behind the system is that it removes negative pressure(* not positive on exact term,if someone can verify with me I would appreciate it.) Thus keeping the airflow disturbance free.

To see how the system works go here http://www.x-fire.org/vsr_bup/e.bup_cylinder_vc.html

here we can see the front of the piston


and here is the back of the piston showing why it needs its special shorter VC spring guide.


So now you have the cylinder parts put them in the cylinder with the spring and your good to go. (After installing the V trigger piston end will explain later)

Image of the PDI Bore Up Piston end for 90 degree sear


Also one thing to note is the difference between the stock cylinder head design versus the PDI cylinder head. The cylinder head is similar to the APS series as opposed to the VSR style. This gives a better seal as opposed and removes the need to teflon tape the stock style cylinder head. This is due to an o-ring that now does that same thing.



The PDI Bore Up V trigger is the next item of note. First off, the new piston end allows the use of the V trigger so that the piston sear of the V trigger catches the piston. The piston sear on the V trigger is at a 90 degree angle similar to the Maruzen trigger systems. The stock trigger sear uses a 45 degree angle.

The trigger installs like any other trigger.

So once you then put everything back in the stock, add a dab of paint and some optics you arrive here.



Now the fun.

First off how is the bolt pull? Honestly, it is about the same as my Maruzen the only difference being that the action is shorter because of the shorter cylinder. However it does not feel quite as smooth, maybe its because its new but either way its worth mentioning. Also the first factory bolt handle is amazing very smooth action there no problems with it moving around, stays up or down perfectly.

Next is the trigger pull. Even after adjusting the trigger pull on the V trigger (this is done by loosening a set screw and turning a screw inside the trigger unit clockwise) it is still firm. However, if you do not adjust the pull it is almost unbearable. The best part is though, now that you have acquired the new 90 degree piston end you should, and I emphasize should be able to use the FF PSS10 Zero Trigger with the PDI Bore up set up. I am not 100% sure on that, but I will find out soon enough.

However, the trigger pull after adjustment is ok, but really it is my only complaint with the whole replica and upgrades.

So how powerful is it? Well with a brand new FF170 APS 2 spring (Important to note because the spring is not able to expand to its full length) I was chronoing at 444-446 with the occasional 440.

However here is the beauty of it all...... its worth it. It is by far the most accurate airsoft replica I have ever fired. After a day of fine tuning I was hitting a tree at 100 yards away with consistency fired 10 rounds, 5 hit the tree, 3 were within a foot or less on either side of the tree, and 2 were blown of by wind but still pretty accurate. Also the tree was my point of aim, and I was not holding over to account for windage. These shots were done with .29g Maruzen Super Grand Masters.

In all she is a beautiful replica, and I am very satisfied with the results so far. I will have more info as time goes. All this was done between Friday and Sunday night, including the writing of this article/post.

I hope this was informative, and if you have any other comments or questions feel free to p.m. me.



That’s it!----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Changes Made from the previous version:

BBTB posted that you should use laylax barrels. We have recently found that laylax barrels lack the quality and control necessary for accurate shooting. Stay away from their barrels, and stick to PDI, EDGI, and DBC.

Also, we switched out laylax sears for pdi sears. We did this because The Crimson falcon stated that he has always had problems with these and that Pdi's sears are much tougher.





I wanted to release this sooner than later, so expect to come soon:

Details on the PDI bore up kits *done, special thanks to 762*
A Question and answers section *done, special thank to RPC*
And tweaks to come from the community (thats you) *in progress, special thanks to you*


Peace

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Christafuarion, RocketPropeldCorn and 762

This post has been edited by Graham Abram: Apr 23 2008, 11:34 PM


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Chris, I believe that the 190 spring is closer to 620-630 fps and the 210 is closer to 680-690 fps. Other than that, excellent job. I'll be looking forward to the PDI Bore-up section.

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QUOTE (longbow419 @ Jan 13 2008, 04:44 PM) *
Chris, I believe that the 190 spring is closer to 620-630 fps and the 210 is closer to 680-690 fps. Other than that, excellent job. I'll be looking forward to the PDI Bore-up section.

Ok, thanks! I changed it, but does anyone want to back this up?


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QUOTE (Christafuarion @ Jan 13 2008, 08:18 PM) *
Ok, thanks! I changed it, but does anyone want to back this up?


If you're asking for a pin vote, I think you need to put the PDI parts in first, and then you'll definitely have my vote. a-thumbsup.gif


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I always thought that a 190 was around 600 fps... hmm... havent heard much of the 210 though.


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QUOTE (longbow419 @ Jan 13 2008, 06:20 PM) *
If you're asking for a pin vote, I think you need to put the PDI parts in first, and then you'll definitely have my vote. a-thumbsup.gif

No, I was asking for a second person to agree on your statement on the spring power
There are no pinned topics in the vsr page. I have arranged for it to go in the VSR helpful threads thread.d


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QUOTE (Christafuarion @ Jan 14 2008, 10:40 PM) *
No, I was asking for a second person to agree on your statement on the spring power


Chris, all you have to do is convert the meters to feet. You can do that on this site: http://www.sciencemadesimple.com/length_conversion.php .


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QUOTE (Christafuarion @ Jan 14 2008, 10:40 PM) *
No, I was asking for a second person to agree on your statement on the spring power
There are no pinned topics in the vsr page. I have arranged for it to go in the VSR helpful threads thread.d

You've got a PM. And you spelled my name wrong in the guide. I'm hurt... a-embarassed.gif

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QUOTE (RocketPropeldCorn @ Jan 15 2008, 05:53 PM) *
You've got a PM. And you spelled my name wrong in the guide. I'm hurt... a-embarassed.gif

I'm kidding of course. a-wink.gif


Well, I think YOU spelled your name wrong while making the account.. JKJK

Well, of course the post cannot be edited, so if a mod could come through and... Chang RPC's name and add this Q&A section, and make sure he gets the credit -- I love ya man (no homo)

Q: Why can’t I put in any spring I want to without replacing parts?
A: Many parts will either break or wear out more quickly due to the higher pressure of the spring. Consult the guide to figure out what suits your needs.

Q: How do I maximize accuracy without breaking the bank?
A: Tightbores, barrel spacers, and hopup rubbers are all relatively cheap, but great parts. These are the first things that should be changed in a sniper rifle.

Q: I’m trying to replace parts in my cylinder, but I can’t open it like its jammed shut. What’s wrong?
A: Your cylinder pin is still in tact. Refer to Von Luck’s guide:
http://www.airsoftforum.com/board/VSR-Cylinder-Pin-Removal-t39751.html

Q: I want to upgrade my rifle to a higher FPS but I don’t understand why a Zero Trigger is better than new sears. Why is that?
A: A Zero Trigger provides a number of advantages over upgraded sears. First of all, it lasts much longer than sears would. It has been proven that a well maintained ZT can still perform perfectly, with no signs of wear, after over a year or use and abuse. On top of that, the zero trigger provides the lightest trigger pull of any trigger system on the market. Lastly, it is said to increase accuracy by a small margin. The ninety-degree sear system in the zero trigger provides a cleaner release of the piston, which results in less vibrations, and more accuracy.

Q: What is “Bore-up?”
A: Bore-up is a series of parts that have a larger cylinder. The larger cylinder contains more air, so the piston can “push more out,” if you will. This results in more FPS for a lighter trigger pull. It also allows you to use a longer inner barrel because the cylinder: barrel is in check.

Q: I’ve upgraded my VSR with a zero trigger (along with other parts). It is not firing at the correct FPS for the spring. It is firing very slowly, and only shoots about 50-100 feet. Why is this?
A: The O-ring that comes with the zero trigger’s piston is garbage. Use the O-ring from the stock piston for the best results.

Q: I’ve worked inside my trigger box/ put in a new trigger system and the sears are not catching the piston. What’s wrong?
A: Odds are that the trigger box is not screwed onto the receiver all the way. Make sure that you have the correct piston to match the trigger system you are using (Red goes to a 45 degree while orange goes to a zero trigger, aka a 90 degree).

Q: I’ve installed a two piece spring guide and now the piston doesn’t catch from time to time. What’s up with it?
A: The spring guide is unscrewing. Use lock-tight to secure the two halves of the guide

Q: My outer barrel is making a grinding sound when I try to unscrew it. What’s wrong?
A: make sure the screws on the bottom of the receiver and the foremost one on the scope mount are removed. If that doesn’t work, the threads might be misaligned.

Q: What is the advantage of the VSR’s hop up unit over its competitors?
A: The VSR’s hop up unit uses a “V” type cut in it, so it grips the BB better, which results in more range.


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I hope that's correct.


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QUOTE (bat21win @ Jan 15 2008, 09:13 PM) *
I hope that's correct.

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I'll add this to the 'Helpful VSR Threads' if you don't mind Chris.


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QUOTE (Graham Abram @ Jan 31 2008, 10:19 AM) *
I'll add this to the 'Helpful VSR Threads' if you don't mind Chris.

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Thanks for posting an updated guide! It's nice to have info kept up-to-date. a-thumbsup.gif

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QUOTE (dragonflyguy73 @ Feb 10 2008, 05:11 PM) *
Thanks for posting an updated guide! It's nice to have info kept up-to-date. a-thumbsup.gif

No poblem, expect to have this one revised, or a new on up by 2009!

(and maybe a JG BAR 10 upgrade guide too)


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Hey!
In the end of the list you recomend the PDI sears instead of the Laylax ones, would this also mean that the Reinforced PDI Trigger would be the better one over the Laylax Zero Trigger? If so, what additional parts (if any) would be needed to use the PDI Trigger? Thanks!
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One more brief addition (I've got my own upgrade guide up on ASGAR, incidentally) about the barrels is that DBC barrels have a break-in period. They just shoot more accurately the more rounds you put through it.


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QUOTE (Hilda @ Feb 25 2008, 04:03 PM) *
Hey!
In the end of the list you recomend the PDI sears instead of the Laylax ones, would this also mean that the Reinforced PDI Trigger would be the better one over the Laylax Zero Trigger? If so, what additional parts (if any) would be needed to use the PDI Trigger? Thanks!

I don't know. I'm very sorry but I refuse to comment on a matter of which I have know clue about. I will however tell you that there may be a compatibility issue with a pdi v trigger and the Laylax orange piston.

Well, well, well, if it isn't TCF. I noticed your sig no longer says "elvis has left the bulding" are you here to stay?

And yes he is correct. The DBC barrel does require a break in period. But no doubt it is still an excellent barrel.


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im new to these forums, first post, so this may be a dumb question

but are those fps numbers done with a .2 or .25g bb
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QUOTE (largeexplosions @ Mar 18 2008, 05:42 PM) *
im new to these forums, first post, so this may be a dumb question

but are those fps numbers done with a .2 or .25g bb

.2, although we only use .25 and above in our sniper rifles, it is a widely accepted gauge of power, so anytime you see an fps reading in these forums, they are in .2, unless the author states otherwise.

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if some one could update the links see as power edge is dead now that would be nice.
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The majority of the upgrades are on http://www.airsoftatlanta.com/internal.htm

As for the PDI parts, I'm lost. And I can't find the firefly buckin or nineball anywhere.
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Great to see some current VSR-10 info. up. Can't wait for the PDI info. Much Props to chris for the guide. Any chance of working bull barrels and such into the mix so us newbies know which parts to buy. Thanx.


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WOW! This guide has helped me out a lot in looking for upgrades on my sniper.

I want to upgrade my VSR to about 600 FPS (with .2 bbs). On the website Terrk posted has 2 different brand triggers, (PDI V trigger and Laylax zero trigger). The PDI version is much cheaper than the laylax. I was wondering if there was any difference to the advantages gained from each (ex. easier to pull trigger)?

When I upgrade my gun I want to add as many Joules of power as I can (to send heavier bbs farther). Do the bore up from PDI add any more joules than the regular upgrade set? also, I didn't see this on the upgrade list but, would a vacuum cylinder increase the joules and or FPS of the rifle also? Also, I was wondering if there were any different parts that would increase the joules of the rifle?

I also cannot find any new firefly or nineball hop up buckings.

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For above 400fps:link
For below 400fps:link

I found both a hard and soft hop up bucking from firefly but was unsure of which to get for above 400fps (uncompany)
ive also found several different firefly buckings for AEGs. would those be compatible with the gspec?

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I did not mean to hit the respond button... but:

I did find some AEG firefly hop up buckings. are they compatible with the gspec?

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QUOTE (bullwinkel @ Apr 15 2008, 05:16 PM) *
I did not mean to hit the respond button... but:

I did find some AEG firefly hop up buckings. are they compatible with the gspec?


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QUOTE (bullwinkel @ Apr 15 2008, 12:27 PM) *
WOW! This guide has helped me out a lot in looking for upgrades on my sniper.

I want to upgrade my VSR to about 600 FPS (with .2 bbs). On the website Terrk posted has 2 different brand triggers, (PDI V trigger and Laylax zero trigger). The PDI version is much cheaper than the laylax. I was wondering if there was any difference to the advantages gained from each (ex. easier to pull trigger)?

When I upgrade my gun I want to add as many Joules of power as I can (to send heavier bbs farther). Do the bore up from PDI add any more joules than the regular upgrade set? also, I didn't see this on the upgrade list but, would a vacuum cylinder increase the joules and or FPS of the rifle also? Also, I was wondering if there were any different parts that would increase the joules of the rifle?

I also cannot find any new firefly or nineball hop up buckings.

Bullwinkel

edit:
For above 400fps:link
For below 400fps:link

I found both a hard and soft hop up bucking from firefly but was unsure of which to get for above 400fps (uncompany)
ive also found several different firefly buckings for AEGs. would those be compatible with the gspec?



The bore up kits allow you to get higher power out of lower powered springs. The vc takes a little bit of fps away, but allows you to use very long barrel because it clears negative pressure.

The zero trigger is more expensive because it comes with a piston, and it is a little better (lighter pull)


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QUOTE (Christafuarion @ Apr 15 2008, 08:10 PM) *
The bore up kits allow you to get higher power out of lower powered springs. The vc takes a little bit of fps away, but allows you to use very long barrel because it clears negative pressure.

The zero trigger is more expensive because it comes with a piston, and it is a little better (lighter pull)


Would I be able to mix bore up parts with none bore up parts? Or do I need to do a complete upgrade of Bore Up parts?

If I can mix them would this get me to about 600 fps?

-Laylax 170 spring

-Laylax Zero Trigger Set (includes orange piston)

-PDI VSR-10 Bore Up VC Spring Guide

-Laylax Teflon Cylinder (or one of the 4 below)

-Laylax Air Seal Damper Cylinder Head

-PDI VSR-10 Bore Up Vacuum Piston



I saw that PDI has a Bore Up reinforced trigger set. Is that needed with the rest of the Bore Up?

What is the difference between the 4 of these?

-PDI VSR-10 Bore Up Premier Cylinder Set HD

-PDI VSR-10 Bore Up Premier Cylinder Set VC

-PDI VSR-10 Bore Up Premier Palsonite Cylinder Set HD

-PDI VSR-10 Bore Up Premier Palsonite Cylinder Set VC

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Edit: The silencer that comes with the gspec, if I get a longer barrel, will I be able to fit the extension into that silencer?

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The two on the bottom are palsonite cyliders. They are a dark grey, if not black in color, and are scratch resistant, and share similar benefits as the laylax teflon cylinder. The two one the bottom are steel. HD basically means hard. The hd sets have a piston with a flat head, and the VC sets (vacuum) have a special vacuum system in the front that cancels negative pressure, but sacrafices a wee bit o fps.

And no, you cannot mix bore up parts with non- bore up parts

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Could you elaborate a little on the differences between HD and VC, and how they work differently? What is your take on the PDI V-Trigger versus the Laylax Zero-Trigger? Is the trigger pull just as light or heavier as the Zero-Trigger? Thanks.

QUOTE (Christafuarion @ Apr 16 2008, 07:58 PM) *
The two on the bottom are palsonite cyliders. They are a dark grey, if not black in color, and are scratch resistant, and share similar benefits as the laylax teflon cylinder. The two one the bottom are steel. HD basically means hard. The hd sets have a piston with a flat head, and the VC sets (vacuum) have a special vacuum system in the front that cancels negative pressure, but sacrafices a wee bit o fps.

And no, you cannot mix bore up parts with non- bore up parts

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Please keep in mind that I have don't have experience with both, but I've heard that the v trigg has a heavier pull. Replacement parts are available for it (there are no replacement parts for the z trigg) The V doesn't need modification to the trigger guard, I cannot confirm they are compatible. Um.. lets see what else... Oh, the v trigg is adjustable, while the z trigg is not.

http://www.x-fire.org/bolt/vc/e.main.html

that's the vacuum system. the HD doesn't have that.

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~500 fps Total: $166 + s/h
-Laylax 150 spring link
-PDI First sear link
-PDI Second Sear link
-Laylax Spring Guide Stopper link
-Laylax high pressure piston (red) link
-Laylax Spring Guide link


I cant find any where in stock Laylax Spring Guide can I use instead PDI Ezy Spring Guide (9mm Diameter Big Bore) with the Laylax high pressure piston (red)?
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QUOTE (Grasulas @ Apr 19 2008, 06:54 AM) *
~500 fps Total: $166 + s/h
-Laylax 150 spring link
-PDI First sear link
-PDI Second Sear link
-Laylax Spring Guide Stopper link
-Laylax high pressure piston (red) link
-Laylax Spring Guide link


I cant find any where in stock Laylax Spring Guide can I use instead PDI Ezy Spring Guide (9mm Diameter Big Bore) with the Laylax high pressure piston (red)?



Yeah, and I think it uses standard laylax springs


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QUOTE (Christafuarion @ Apr 19 2008, 11:40 AM) *
Yeah, and I think it uses standard laylax springs


you sure, I didn't think you could mix bore up parts with regular parts.
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Listen to those who has had experience with this kind of stuff.
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QUOTE (Necrophilia @ Apr 20 2008, 12:15 AM) *
Listen to those who has had experience with this kind of stuff.


are you saying I don't know what I'm talking about? if I'm wrong, thats fine. but how about trying to not be an censored2.gif?

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QUOTE (cgibsong002 @ Apr 19 2008, 10:02 PM) *
you sure, I didn't think you could mix bore up parts with regular parts.



Well, the name of that guide is contradictory. EZY means small springs, but 9mm uses big springs. So, I don't know. Go back and double check the guide, and shoot me a link.

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Chris you should add my bore up parts review onto this.


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Well, If I was a mod.. I would.. Thanks for the offer. I'll ask Bat, he'll be glad to attach it.

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EDIT: Wait.. what happened to Bat? Oh well.. I'll ask Graham then.

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The PDI springs work on a % system you take the % x .7 joule and you get the energy amount. The you can convert that into FPS. I am in the process of creating a conversion spreadsheet with an airsoft fps calculator a teammate of mine made.


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