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![]() Deadeye Group: Elite Posts: 1,336 Joined: 27-March 07 From: Bellingham, Washington Member No.: 28,867 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Chris R |
Better Bent Than Broken's guide on this topic has served it's time well, but it is a little out of date, so I have taken it upon myself to write a newer guide, with all the knowledge we have gained from 2007.
BARREL OPTIONS Tightbore barrels are always a great way to improve your accuracy, but they aren't "needed" to maintain high velocities. Of course you should try to get one, as they are a crucial part, but if you see it fit, you don’t need to buy one. Remember: 303mm for a gspec, and 430mm for a pro. GET THE RIGHT SIZE!!!11!!one!11 1. PDI 6.01 mm barrel This is the best barrel on the market, with the best tolerances, although it is the priciest. $155 2. EDGI 6.01 mm barrel This is the second best barrel on the market, with less tolerances that the pdi, but a unique 10mm outer diameter, that eats up vibrations, and proves to be quite effective. It is made by a guy out in the phillipines and his email adress is______ $_______ 3. DB Custom 6.01 barrel The third best, with about the same tolerances as EDGI, but a standard 8mm outer diameter. $60 ***Along with a new barrel, you should get a new hop up bucking. Try the Firefly one For above 400fps:link For below 400fps:link Some preffer nineball, but we think firefly is superior due to the two point design. ***Also along with a new barrel, be sure to pick up some barrel spacers. They keep the barrel in the center of the outer barrel. It keeps the barrel straight, and helps accuracy. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ~400 fps Total: $13 + s/h -Laylax 120 spring link $13 That's it!---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ~430 fps Total: $72 + s/h -Laylax 130 spring link $15 -PDI First sear link $35 -PDI Second Sear link $22 That's it!------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ~500 fps Total: $166 + s/h -Laylax 150 spring link $18 -PDI First sear link $35 -PDI Second Sear link $22 -Laylax Spring Guide Stopper link $21 -Laylax high pressure piston (red) link $21 -Laylax Spring Guide link $25 ***Notes It is not necessary, but if you want to you can buy the Laylax zero trigger system which is strong enough to handle a 210 spring!!! It comes with an orange piston that cannot be used with the normal sears because it is of a different shape. Also, If you are finding that your bolt pull is a little stiff, you could invest in the Laylax teflon coated cylinder which is more durable than the stock cylinder and is easier to pull due to the teflon. That’s it!---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ~550 fps Total: -Laylax 170 spring link $18 -Laylax Zero Trigger Set (includes orange piston) link $185 -Laylax Spring Guide link $25 -Laylax Teflon Cylinder link $115 -Laylax Air Seal Damper Cylinder Head link $19 ***Notes The Zero Trigger is absolutely necessary for the 170 spring. Without it, the trigger pull would be too heavy. Also, the Teflon Cylinder is needed, without it, the bolt pull would be too hard. That’s it!---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ~620 fps Total: -Laylax 190 spring link $18 -Laylax Zero Trigger Set (includes orange piston) link $185 -Laylax Spring Guide link $25 -Laylax Teflon Cylinder link $115 -Laylax Air Seal Damper Cylinder Head link $19 ***Notes The Zero Trigger is absolutely necessary for the 190 spring. Without it, the trigger pull would be too heavy. Also, the Teflon Cylinder is needed, without it, the bolt pull would be too hard. That’s it!---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ~680 fps Total: -Laylax 210 spring (link not available)$18 -Laylax Zero Trigger Set (includes orange piston) link $185 -Laylax Spring Guide link $25 -Laylax Teflon Cylinder link $115 -Laylax Air Seal Damper Cylinder Head link $19 ***Notes The Zero Trigger is absolutely necessary for the 190 spring. Without it, the trigger pull would be too heavy. Also, the Teflon Cylinder is needed, without it, the bolt pull would be too hard. That’s it!---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RocketPropeldCorn's Q&A Section QUOTE Q: Why can’t I put in any spring I want to without replacing parts? A: Many parts will either break or wear out more quickly due to the higher pressure of the spring. Consult the guide to figure out what suits your needs. Q: How do I maximize accuracy without breaking the bank? A: Tightbores, barrel spacers, and hopup rubbers are all relatively cheap, but great parts. These are the first things that should be changed in a sniper rifle. Q: I’m trying to replace parts in my cylinder, but I can’t open it like its jammed shut. What’s wrong? A: Your cylinder pin is still in tact. Refer to Von Luck’s guide: http://www.airsoftforum.com/board/VSR-Cylinder-Pin-Removal-t39751.html Q: I want to upgrade my rifle to a higher FPS but I don’t understand why a Zero Trigger is better than new sears. Why is that? A: A Zero Trigger provides a number of advantages over upgraded sears. First of all, it lasts much longer than sears would. It has been proven that a well maintained ZT can still perform perfectly, with no signs of wear, after over a year or use and abuse. On top of that, the zero trigger provides the lightest trigger pull of any trigger system on the market. Lastly, it is said to increase accuracy by a small margin. The ninety-degree sear system in the zero trigger provides a cleaner release of the piston, which results in less vibrations, and more accuracy. Q: What is “Bore-up?” A: Bore-up is a series of parts that have a larger cylinder. The larger cylinder contains more air, so the piston can “push more out,” if you will. This results in more FPS for a lighter trigger pull. It also allows you to use a longer inner barrel because the cylinder: barrel is in check. Q: I’ve upgraded my VSR with a zero trigger (along with other parts). It is not firing at the correct FPS for the spring. It is firing very slowly, and only shoots about 50-100 feet. Why is this? A: The O-ring that comes with the zero trigger’s piston is garbage. Use the O-ring from the stock piston for the best results. Q: I’ve worked inside my trigger box/ put in a new trigger system and the sears are not catching the piston. What’s wrong? A: Odds are that the trigger box is not screwed onto the receiver all the way. Make sure that you have the correct piston to match the trigger system you are using (Red goes to a 45 degree while orange goes to a zero trigger, aka a 90 degree). Q: I’ve installed a two piece spring guide and now the piston doesn’t catch from time to time. What’s up with it? A: The spring guide is unscrewing. Use lock-tight to secure the two halves of the guide Q: My outer barrel is making a grinding sound when I try to unscrew it. What’s wrong? A: make sure the screws on the bottom of the receiver and the foremost one on the scope mount are removed. If that doesn’t work, the threads might be misaligned. Q: What is the advantage of the VSR’s hop up unit over its competitors? A: The VSR’s hop up unit uses a “V” type cut in it, so it grips the BB better, which results in more range. That’s it!---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 762's PDI Bore-Up Parts Review QUOTE First Off, I figure it is appropriate for me to discuss my history with airsoft “sniper” rifles so that people can see my point of view for this review. I personally have owned a Tanaka M40, a Maruzen APS 2 EX, a Classic Army M24, a SR 15 (Hurricane body, Systema gearbox etc...) and a Maruzen Type 96. All of which have been upgraded. I have also done work on other peoples rifles mainly Maruzens, and TM VSRs. Then of course I have shot other people’s personal rifles. So hopefully that may hope to establish some credibility for my knowledge on the subject at hand. Another thing I would like to do is dispel a few myths. First is that airsoft sniper rifles cannot shoot at distances much further than an AEG. This is false and for example here is a video I made for someone interested in buying a replica from me. The video is me hitting a teammate at 100 yards. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77L25jF1TFo Also the idea that spring rifles are impossible to cycle when upgraded. Yes, they are not as easy as gas rifles. However with proper technique you can quickly cycle the bolt of even a heavily upgraded spring sniper rifle. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khrFKAkMMH0 So with all of these other rifles why would you keep buying more of them, and the answer is of course the look of the rifle, and more importantly to find the best performance possible. This quest took me to finally the Tokyo Marui VSR series. The VSRs feature its legendary two prong hop up system which allows a more even and better grip on the bb. This equates to a more stable flight path and more accuracy. As a side note I also wanted a VSR for its light weight. I understand many people complain about it being more toyish, but from my point of view I am looking for a skirmish rifle not a wall hanger so the lack of weight is a blessing. Now why the bore up? This is of course because of the quest for the best performance. I knew that if I did not get the bore up kit then I would just spend time thinking about how it could be with a bore up kit as opposed to the regular cylinder dimensions. So without further ado this is the parts list I will be using for my VSR TM VSR 10 G-Spec PDI EZY Bore Up Receiver PDI 690-mm Light Outer Barrel PDI Barrel End Cap 6 Sets of PDI Barrel Spacers PDI 6.01mm 554-mm Tight-bore Barrel for TM VSR 10 PDI Premier Bore Up Cylinder Set VC FF PSS2 170 spring (APS 11/13-mm spring will explain in the article why) Firefly Hard Type Hop Up bucking for VSR 10 FF PSS10 Bolt Handle for VSR10 PDI Bore Up V trigger ![]() A Rough Installation Guide If you are going to be installing your own parts their are plenty of helpful guides on forums, just read those and you should be fine they explain everything. Also the fact that spring rifles are so simple also makes it very easy to do your own work even if you are new to it. First step separate the stock and receiver/outer barrel assembly. Very easy remove the screws on the bottom of the replica ![]() Secondly remove the outer barrel, and then pull out the stock barrel and stock hop assembly.After disassembling the hop up you can drop in the new barrel and hop up. Here you can see images of the VSR hop up system, and the v cut in the Firefly Hop Up rubber. Also there is an image of teflon taping the hop up to remove any possible air leaks. (sorry for pic quality, could not get camera to focus) Firefly Bucking![]() Teflon tape Bore Up Cylinder Now a more interesting part. There is a lack of information on the PDI Bore Up parts so I hope I can explain and answer some peoples questions. First up is an image of a stock Maruzen Cylinder (left), a stock VSR Cylinder, and then the Bore Up cylinder (right) ![]() As you can see the diameter of the Maruzen is smallest, the stock VSR is in the middle, and the Bore Up is the largest diameter by 1-mm over the stock VSR. Next are the lengths of the cylinders, the VSR is shorter than the Maruzen ![]() Now that we are passed the cylinder we can look at the Vacuum Piston and cylinder. The general theory behind the system is that it removes negative pressure(* not positive on exact term,if someone can verify with me I would appreciate it.) Thus keeping the airflow disturbance free. To see how the system works go here http://www.x-fire.org/vsr_bup/e.bup_cylinder_vc.html here we can see the front of the piston ![]() and here is the back of the piston showing why it needs its special shorter VC spring guide. ![]() So now you have the cylinder parts put them in the cylinder with the spring and your good to go. (After installing the V trigger piston end will explain later) Image of the PDI Bore Up Piston end for 90 degree sear ![]() Also one thing to note is the difference between the stock cylinder head design versus the PDI cylinder head. The cylinder head is similar to the APS series as opposed to the VSR style. This gives a better seal as opposed and removes the need to teflon tape the stock style cylinder head. This is due to an o-ring that now does that same thing. ![]() The PDI Bore Up V trigger is the next item of note. First off, the new piston end allows the use of the V trigger so that the piston sear of the V trigger catches the piston. The piston sear on the V trigger is at a 90 degree angle similar to the Maruzen trigger systems. The stock trigger sear uses a 45 degree angle. The trigger installs like any other trigger. So once you then put everything back in the stock, add a dab of paint and some optics you arrive here. ![]() Now the fun. First off how is the bolt pull? Honestly, it is about the same as my Maruzen the only difference being that the action is shorter because of the shorter cylinder. However it does not feel quite as smooth, maybe its because its new but either way its worth mentioning. Also the first factory bolt handle is amazing very smooth action there no problems with it moving around, stays up or down perfectly. Next is the trigger pull. Even after adjusting the trigger pull on the V trigger (this is done by loosening a set screw and turning a screw inside the trigger unit clockwise) it is still firm. However, if you do not adjust the pull it is almost unbearable. The best part is though, now that you have acquired the new 90 degree piston end you should, and I emphasize should be able to use the FF PSS10 Zero Trigger with the PDI Bore up set up. I am not 100% sure on that, but I will find out soon enough. However, the trigger pull after adjustment is ok, but really it is my only complaint with the whole replica and upgrades. So how powerful is it? Well with a brand new FF170 APS 2 spring (Important to note because the spring is not able to expand to its full length) I was chronoing at 444-446 with the occasional 440. However here is the beauty of it all...... its worth it. It is by far the most accurate airsoft replica I have ever fired. After a day of fine tuning I was hitting a tree at 100 yards away with consistency fired 10 rounds, 5 hit the tree, 3 were within a foot or less on either side of the tree, and 2 were blown of by wind but still pretty accurate. Also the tree was my point of aim, and I was not holding over to account for windage. These shots were done with .29g Maruzen Super Grand Masters. In all she is a beautiful replica, and I am very satisfied with the results so far. I will have more info as time goes. All this was done between Friday and Sunday night, including the writing of this article/post. I hope this was informative, and if you have any other comments or questions feel free to p.m. me. ![]() That’s it!---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Changes Made from the previous version: BBTB posted that you should use laylax barrels. We have recently found that laylax barrels lack the quality and control necessary for accurate shooting. Stay away from their barrels, and stick to PDI, EDGI, and DBC. Also, we switched out laylax sears for pdi sears. We did this because The Crimson falcon stated that he has always had problems with these and that Pdi's sears are much tougher. I wanted to release this sooner than later, so expect to come soon: Details on the PDI bore up kits *done, special thanks to 762* A Question and answers section *done, special thank to RPC* And tweaks to come from the community (thats you) *in progress, special thanks to you* Peace Brought to you by: Christafuarion, RocketPropeldCorn and 762 This post has been edited by Graham Abram: Apr 23 2008, 11:34 PM -------------------- |
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Jan 13 2008, 07:44 PM
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![]() "History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it." Group: Elite Posts: 1,354 Joined: 23-August 07 From: Eastern United States Member No.: 32,825 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for longbow419 |
Chris, I believe that the 190 spring is closer to 620-630 fps and the 210 is closer to 680-690 fps. Other than that, excellent job. I'll be looking forward to the PDI Bore-up section.
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Jan 13 2008, 08:18 PM
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![]() Deadeye Group: Elite Posts: 1,336 Joined: 27-March 07 From: Bellingham, Washington Member No.: 28,867 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Chris R |
Chris, I believe that the 190 spring is closer to 620-630 fps and the 210 is closer to 680-690 fps. Other than that, excellent job. I'll be looking forward to the PDI Bore-up section. Ok, thanks! I changed it, but does anyone want to back this up? -------------------- |
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Jan 13 2008, 09:20 PM
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![]() "History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it." Group: Elite Posts: 1,354 Joined: 23-August 07 From: Eastern United States Member No.: 32,825 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for longbow419 |
Ok, thanks! I changed it, but does anyone want to back this up? If you're asking for a pin vote, I think you need to put the PDI parts in first, and then you'll definitely have my vote. -------------------- The ASF awards: proof that a regular member can make a difference
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Jan 13 2008, 09:25 PM
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ASF Citizen Group: Member Posts: 1,034 Joined: 5-May 07 Member No.: 29,880 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Silent_Shadow |
I always thought that a 190 was around 600 fps... hmm... havent heard much of the 210 though.
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Jan 14 2008, 10:40 PM
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![]() Deadeye Group: Elite Posts: 1,336 Joined: 27-March 07 From: Bellingham, Washington Member No.: 28,867 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Chris R |
If you're asking for a pin vote, I think you need to put the PDI parts in first, and then you'll definitely have my vote. No, I was asking for a second person to agree on your statement on the spring power There are no pinned topics in the vsr page. I have arranged for it to go in the VSR helpful threads thread.d -------------------- |
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Jan 15 2008, 08:11 PM
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![]() "History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it." Group: Elite Posts: 1,354 Joined: 23-August 07 From: Eastern United States Member No.: 32,825 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for longbow419 |
No, I was asking for a second person to agree on your statement on the spring power Chris, all you have to do is convert the meters to feet. You can do that on this site: http://www.sciencemadesimple.com/length_conversion.php . -------------------- The ASF awards: proof that a regular member can make a difference
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Jan 15 2008, 08:53 PM
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![]() Faugh A Ballah Group: Elite Posts: 1,791 Joined: 11-November 06 From: Springfield, MA Member No.: 25,640 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for RocketPropeldCorn |
No, I was asking for a second person to agree on your statement on the spring power There are no pinned topics in the vsr page. I have arranged for it to go in the VSR helpful threads thread.d You've got a PM. And you spelled my name wrong in the guide. I'm hurt... I'm kidding of course. -------------------- |
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Jan 15 2008, 11:53 PM
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![]() Deadeye Group: Elite Posts: 1,336 Joined: 27-March 07 From: Bellingham, Washington Member No.: 28,867 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Chris R |
You've got a PM. And you spelled my name wrong in the guide. I'm hurt... I'm kidding of course. Well, I think YOU spelled your name wrong while making the account.. JKJK Well, of course the post cannot be edited, so if a mod could come through and... Chang RPC's name and add this Q&A section, and make sure he gets the credit -- I love ya man (no homo) Q: Why can’t I put in any spring I want to without replacing parts? A: Many parts will either break or wear out more quickly due to the higher pressure of the spring. Consult the guide to figure out what suits your needs. Q: How do I maximize accuracy without breaking the bank? A: Tightbores, barrel spacers, and hopup rubbers are all relatively cheap, but great parts. These are the first things that should be changed in a sniper rifle. Q: I’m trying to replace parts in my cylinder, but I can’t open it like its jammed shut. What’s wrong? A: Your cylinder pin is still in tact. Refer to Von Luck’s guide: http://www.airsoftforum.com/board/VSR-Cylinder-Pin-Removal-t39751.html Q: I want to upgrade my rifle to a higher FPS but I don’t understand why a Zero Trigger is better than new sears. Why is that? A: A Zero Trigger provides a number of advantages over upgraded sears. First of all, it lasts much longer than sears would. It has been proven that a well maintained ZT can still perform perfectly, with no signs of wear, after over a year or use and abuse. On top of that, the zero trigger provides the lightest trigger pull of any trigger system on the market. Lastly, it is said to increase accuracy by a small margin. The ninety-degree sear system in the zero trigger provides a cleaner release of the piston, which results in less vibrations, and more accuracy. Q: What is “Bore-up?” A: Bore-up is a series of parts that have a larger cylinder. The larger cylinder contains more air, so the piston can “push more out,” if you will. This results in more FPS for a lighter trigger pull. It also allows you to use a longer inner barrel because the cylinder: barrel is in check. Q: I’ve upgraded my VSR with a zero trigger (along with other parts). It is not firing at the correct FPS for the spring. It is firing very slowly, and only shoots about 50-100 feet. Why is this? A: The O-ring that comes with the zero trigger’s piston is garbage. Use the O-ring from the stock piston for the best results. Q: I’ve worked inside my trigger box/ put in a new trigger system and the sears are not catching the piston. What’s wrong? A: Odds are that the trigger box is not screwed onto the receiver all the way. Make sure that you have the correct piston to match the trigger system you are using (Red goes to a 45 degree while orange goes to a zero trigger, aka a 90 degree). Q: I’ve installed a two piece spring guide and now the piston doesn’t catch from time to time. What’s up with it? A: The spring guide is unscrewing. Use lock-tight to secure the two halves of the guide Q: My outer barrel is making a grinding sound when I try to unscrew it. What’s wrong? A: make sure the screws on the bottom of the receiver and the foremost one on the scope mount are removed. If that doesn’t work, the threads might be misaligned. Q: What is the advantage of the VSR’s hop up unit over its competitors? A: The VSR’s hop up unit uses a “V” type cut in it, so it grips the BB better, which results in more range. -------------------- |
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Jan 16 2008, 12:13 AM
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I hope that's correct.
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Jan 16 2008, 12:24 AM
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![]() Deadeye Group: Elite Posts: 1,336 Joined: 27-March 07 From: Bellingham, Washington Member No.: 28,867 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Chris R |
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Jan 31 2008, 01:19 PM
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Determined Group: Elite Posts: 1,366 Joined: 26-May 06 From: Ferndale, WA - USA Member No.: 20,906 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Graham Abram |
I'll add this to the 'Helpful VSR Threads' if you don't mind Chris.
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Feb 5 2008, 05:51 PM
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![]() Deadeye Group: Elite Posts: 1,336 Joined: 27-March 07 From: Bellingham, Washington Member No.: 28,867 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Chris R |
I'll add this to the 'Helpful VSR Threads' if you don't mind Chris. Sure, go ahead. -------------------- |
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Feb 10 2008, 08:11 PM
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ASF Citizen Group: Member Posts: 50 Joined: 14-May 07 From: NYS Member No.: 30,110 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for dragonflyguy73 |
Thanks for posting an updated guide! It's nice to have info kept up-to-date.
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Feb 12 2008, 06:26 PM
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![]() Deadeye Group: Elite Posts: 1,336 Joined: 27-March 07 From: Bellingham, Washington Member No.: 28,867 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Chris R |
Thanks for posting an updated guide! It's nice to have info kept up-to-date. No poblem, expect to have this one revised, or a new on up by 2009! (and maybe a JG BAR 10 upgrade guide too) -------------------- |
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Feb 25 2008, 07:03 PM
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ASF Immigrant Group: Member Posts: 7 Joined: 2-February 08 Member No.: 36,045 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Hilda |
Hey!
In the end of the list you recomend the PDI sears instead of the Laylax ones, would this also mean that the Reinforced PDI Trigger would be the better one over the Laylax Zero Trigger? If so, what additional parts (if any) would be needed to use the PDI Trigger? Thanks! |
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Feb 25 2008, 07:06 PM
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Sniper Tech, Reviewer, and Airsoft Vet Group: Elite Posts: 1,105 Joined: 20-August 07 Member No.: 32,733 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for The Crimson Falcon |
One more brief addition (I've got my own upgrade guide up on ASGAR, incidentally) about the barrels is that DBC barrels have a break-in period. They just shoot more accurately the more rounds you put through it.
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Feb 25 2008, 10:11 PM
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![]() Deadeye Group: Elite Posts: 1,336 Joined: 27-March 07 From: Bellingham, Washington Member No.: 28,867 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Chris R |
Hey! In the end of the list you recomend the PDI sears instead of the Laylax ones, would this also mean that the Reinforced PDI Trigger would be the better one over the Laylax Zero Trigger? If so, what additional parts (if any) would be needed to use the PDI Trigger? Thanks! I don't know. I'm very sorry but I refuse to comment on a matter of which I have know clue about. I will however tell you that there may be a compatibility issue with a pdi v trigger and the Laylax orange piston. Well, well, well, if it isn't TCF. I noticed your sig no longer says "elvis has left the bulding" are you here to stay? And yes he is correct. The DBC barrel does require a break in period. But no doubt it is still an excellent barrel. -------------------- |
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Mar 18 2008, 08:42 PM
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ASF Immigrant Group: Member Posts: 14 Joined: 18-March 08 Member No.: 37,543 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for largeexplosions |
im new to these forums, first post, so this may be a dumb question
but are those fps numbers done with a .2 or .25g bb |
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Mar 18 2008, 10:42 PM
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![]() Deadeye Group: Elite Posts: 1,336 Joined: 27-March 07 From: Bellingham, Washington Member No.: 28,867 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Chris R |
im new to these forums, first post, so this may be a dumb question but are those fps numbers done with a .2 or .25g bb .2, although we only use .25 and above in our sniper rifles, it is a widely accepted gauge of power, so anytime you see an fps reading in these forums, they are in .2, unless the author states otherwise. No question is a dumb question, and welcome to the forums, Chris -------------------- |
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Mar 18 2008, 11:09 PM
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ASF Citizen Group: Member Posts: 91 Joined: 16-May 06 From: San Mateo, Cali Member No.: 20,596 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for parser |
if some one could update the links see as power edge is dead now that would be nice.
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Mar 28 2008, 06:27 PM
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Guest Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Guest_Terrk_* |
The majority of the upgrades are on http://www.airsoftatlanta.com/internal.htm
As for the PDI parts, I'm lost. And I can't find the firefly buckin or nineball anywhere. |
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Apr 14 2008, 06:13 PM
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![]() ASF Immigrant Group: Member Posts: 10 Joined: 23-June 07 From: Washington State Member No.: 31,181 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for ricard0 |
Great to see some current VSR-10 info. up. Can't wait for the PDI info. Much Props to chris for the guide. Any chance of working bull barrels and such into the mix so us newbies know which parts to buy. Thanx.
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WOW! This guide has helped me out a lot in looking for upgrades on my sniper.
I want to upgrade my VSR to about 600 FPS (with .2 bbs). On the website Terrk posted has 2 different brand triggers, (PDI V trigger and Laylax zero trigger). The PDI version is much cheaper than the laylax. I was wondering if there was any difference to the advantages gained from each (ex. easier to pull trigger)? When I upgrade my gun I want to add as many Joules of power as I can (to send heavier bbs farther). Do the bore up from PDI add any more joules than the regular upgrade set? also, I didn't see this on the upgrade list but, would a vacuum cylinder increase the joules and or FPS of the rifle also? Also, I was wondering if there were any different parts that would increase the joules of the rifle? I also cannot find any new firefly or nineball hop up buckings. Bullwinkel edit: For above 400fps:link For below 400fps:link I found both a hard and soft hop up bucking from firefly but was unsure of which to get for above 400fps (uncompany) ive also found several different firefly buckings for AEGs. would those be compatible with the gspec? This post has been edited by bullwinkel: Apr 15 2008, 05:11 PM |
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Apr 15 2008, 05:16 PM
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I did not mean to hit the respond button... but:
I did find some AEG firefly hop up buckings. are they compatible with the gspec? This post has been edited by bullwinkel: Apr 15 2008, 05:18 PM |
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Apr 15 2008, 05:20 PM
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Apr 15 2008, 07:10 PM
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![]() Deadeye Group: Elite Posts: 1,336 Joined: 27-March 07 From: Bellingham, Washington Member No.: 28,867 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Chris R |
WOW! This guide has helped me out a lot in looking for upgrades on my sniper. I want to upgrade my VSR to about 600 FPS (with .2 bbs). On the website Terrk posted has 2 different brand triggers, (PDI V trigger and Laylax zero trigger). The PDI version is much cheaper than the laylax. I was wondering if there was any difference to the advantages gained from each (ex. easier to pull trigger)? When I upgrade my gun I want to add as many Joules of power as I can (to send heavier bbs farther). Do the bore up from PDI add any more joules than the regular upgrade set? also, I didn't see this on the upgrade list but, would a vacuum cylinder increase the joules and or FPS of the rifle also? Also, I was wondering if there were any different parts that would increase the joules of the rifle? I also cannot find any new firefly or nineball hop up buckings. Bullwinkel edit: For above 400fps:link For below 400fps:link I found both a hard and soft hop up bucking from firefly but was unsure of which to get for above 400fps (uncompany) ive also found several different firefly buckings for AEGs. would those be compatible with the gspec? The bore up kits allow you to get higher power out of lower powered springs. The vc takes a little bit of fps away, but allows you to use very long barrel because it clears negative pressure. The zero trigger is more expensive because it comes with a piston, and it is a little better (lighter pull) -------------------- |
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Apr 16 2008, 09:42 PM
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The bore up kits allow you to get higher power out of lower powered springs. The vc takes a little bit of fps away, but allows you to use very long barrel because it clears negative pressure. The zero trigger is more expensive because it comes with a piston, and it is a little better (lighter pull) Would I be able to mix bore up parts with none bore up parts? Or do I need to do a complete upgrade of Bore Up parts? If I can mix them would this get me to about 600 fps? -Laylax 170 spring -Laylax Zero Trigger Set (includes orange piston) -PDI VSR-10 Bore Up VC Spring Guide -Laylax Teflon Cylinder (or one of the 4 below) -Laylax Air Seal Damper Cylinder Head -PDI VSR-10 Bore Up Vacuum Piston I saw that PDI has a Bore Up reinforced trigger set. Is that needed with the rest of the Bore Up? What is the difference between the 4 of these? -PDI VSR-10 Bore Up Premier Cylinder Set HD -PDI VSR-10 Bore Up Premier Cylinder Set VC -PDI VSR-10 Bore Up Premier Palsonite Cylinder Set HD -PDI VSR-10 Bore Up Premier Palsonite Cylinder Set VC Bullwinkel Edit: The silencer that comes with the gspec, if I get a longer barrel, will I be able to fit the extension into that silencer? This post has been edited by bullwinkel: Apr 16 2008, 09:44 PM |
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Apr 16 2008, 09:58 PM
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![]() Deadeye Group: Elite Posts: 1,336 Joined: 27-March 07 From: Bellingham, Washington Member No.: 28,867 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Chris R |
The two on the bottom are palsonite cyliders. They are a dark grey, if not black in color, and are scratch resistant, and share similar benefits as the laylax teflon cylinder. The two one the bottom are steel. HD basically means hard. The hd sets have a piston with a flat head, and the VC sets (vacuum) have a special vacuum system in the front that cancels negative pressure, but sacrafices a wee bit o fps.
And no, you cannot mix bore up parts with non- bore up parts Chris -------------------- |
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Apr 16 2008, 11:16 PM
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ASF Citizen Group: Elite Posts: 97 Joined: 14-August 07 From: California Member No.: 32,632 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for riight112 |
Could you elaborate a little on the differences between HD and VC, and how they work differently? What is your take on the PDI V-Trigger versus the Laylax Zero-Trigger? Is the trigger pull just as light or heavier as the Zero-Trigger? Thanks.
The two on the bottom are palsonite cyliders. They are a dark grey, if not black in color, and are scratch resistant, and share similar benefits as the laylax teflon cylinder. The two one the bottom are steel. HD basically means hard. The hd sets have a piston with a flat head, and the VC sets (vacuum) have a special vacuum system in the front that cancels negative pressure, but sacrafices a wee bit o fps.
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Apr 16 2008, 11:37 PM
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![]() Deadeye Group: Elite Posts: 1,336 Joined: 27-March 07 From: Bellingham, Washington Member No.: 28,867 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Chris R |
Please keep in mind that I have don't have experience with both, but I've heard that the v trigg has a heavier pull. Replacement parts are available for it (there are no replacement parts for the z trigg) The V doesn't need modification to the trigger guard, I cannot confirm they are compatible. Um.. lets see what else... Oh, the v trigg is adjustable, while the z trigg is not.
http://www.x-fire.org/bolt/vc/e.main.html that's the vacuum system. the HD doesn't have that. Chris -------------------- |
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Apr 19 2008, 09:54 AM
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~500 fps Total: $166 + s/h
-Laylax 150 spring link -PDI First sear link -PDI Second Sear link -Laylax Spring Guide Stopper link -Laylax high pressure piston (red) link -Laylax Spring Guide link I cant find any where in stock Laylax Spring Guide can I use instead PDI Ezy Spring Guide (9mm Diameter Big Bore) with the Laylax high pressure piston (red)? |
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Apr 19 2008, 11:40 AM
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![]() Deadeye Group: Elite Posts: 1,336 Joined: 27-March 07 From: Bellingham, Washington Member No.: 28,867 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Chris R |
~500 fps Total: $166 + s/h -Laylax 150 spring link -PDI First sear link -PDI Second Sear link -Laylax Spring Guide Stopper link -Laylax high pressure piston (red) link -Laylax Spring Guide link I cant find any where in stock Laylax Spring Guide can I use instead PDI Ezy Spring Guide (9mm Diameter Big Bore) with the Laylax high pressure piston (red)? Yeah, and I think it uses standard laylax springs -------------------- |
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Apr 20 2008, 12:02 AM
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Apr 20 2008, 12:15 AM
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Listen to those who has had experience with this kind of stuff.
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Apr 20 2008, 12:41 AM
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Apr 20 2008, 11:02 AM
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![]() Deadeye Group: Elite Posts: 1,336 Joined: 27-March 07 From: Bellingham, Washington Member No.: 28,867 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Chris R |
you sure, I didn't think you could mix bore up parts with regular parts. Well, the name of that guide is contradictory. EZY means small springs, but 9mm uses big springs. So, I don't know. Go back and double check the guide, and shoot me a link. Chris -------------------- |
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Apr 23 2008, 10:01 AM
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Chris you should add my bore up parts review onto this.
-------------------- Current Arsenal
CA B&T MP5 SD5 @ 400 fps G&P m14 EBR on TM m14 with guarder ftk @ 400 fps PDI Bore Up VSR 10 with FF Zero Trigger @ 550 fps or whatever I need it to be KWA Glock 17 @ 9,000 yards per second (It just seemed wierd to put a 300 fps gun under that list TM 1911 |
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Apr 23 2008, 05:50 PM
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![]() Deadeye Group: Elite Posts: 1,336 Joined: 27-March 07 From: Bellingham, Washington Member No.: 28,867 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Chris R |
Well, If I was a mod.. I would.. Thanks for the offer. I'll ask Bat, he'll be glad to attach it.
Chris EDIT: Wait.. what happened to Bat? Oh well.. I'll ask Graham then. This post has been edited by Christafuarion: Apr 23 2008, 05:51 PM -------------------- |
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Apr 24 2008, 11:12 AM
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The PDI springs work on a % system you take the % x .7 joule and you get the energy amount. The you can convert that into FPS. I am in the process of creating a conversion spreadsheet with an airsoft fps calculator a teammate of mine made.
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CA B&T MP5 SD5 @ 400 fps G&P m14 EBR on TM m14 with guarder ftk @ 400 fps PDI Bore Up VSR 10 with FF Zero Trigger @ 550 fps or whatever I need it to be KWA Glock 17 @ 9,000 yards per second (It just seemed wierd to put a 300 fps gun under that list TM 1911 |
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Apr 24 2008, 04:48 PM
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![]() Deadeye Group: Elite Posts: 1,336 Joined: 27-March 07 From: Bellingham, Washington Member No.: 28,867 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Chris R |
Thanks Graham! You rock my socks!
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May 13 2008, 03:53 PM
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ASF Citizen Group: Elite Posts: 97 Joined: 14-August 07 From: California Member No.: 32,632 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for riight112 |
Any update on the spring comparison chart? I am looking to get a spring to go with my v-trigger and VC palsonite cylinder set. Thanks.
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May 13 2008, 09:28 PM
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This can be added to my quote in the main thread or just left here.
I now have put a zero trigger with my PDI bore up set. I believe I am the first person to do this, you will come into one problem with it. First you obviously must have the vtrigger piston end with the PDI piston. Now the problem is the difference in the spring guide stopper. The zero trigger's is a different shape and when you fire, it will start to fall out after a few shots. However, it is easily fixable. Take some fishing line and wrap it in the hole of the stopper and then loop it around to the top of the trigger then tie a knot to secure it in place. This plus the fact the spring guide stopper sits almost right on top of the trigger guard fixes this issue. I am very happy with the trigger, and it seems to provide a more consistent release for both velocity, and accuracy. (hard trigger pulls are always a nono) -------------------- Current Arsenal
CA B&T MP5 SD5 @ 400 fps G&P m14 EBR on TM m14 with guarder ftk @ 400 fps PDI Bore Up VSR 10 with FF Zero Trigger @ 550 fps or whatever I need it to be KWA Glock 17 @ 9,000 yards per second (It just seemed wierd to put a 300 fps gun under that list TM 1911 |
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May 14 2008, 05:57 PM
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if this does not get pinned im gonna flip
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May 14 2008, 08:59 PM
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if this does not get pinned im gonna flip it was pinned a long time ago... -------------------- ![]() Asf for 5 years now. **Support my endeavors as a video airsoft reviewer!!! http://www.youtube.com/user/BaldwinTactical |
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May 15 2008, 01:38 PM
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it was pinned a long time ago... sry my bad didnt see it in there -------------------- ![]() ![]() have a high rof build question? shoot me a pm! |
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May 23 2008, 04:01 PM
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ASF Immigrant Group: Member Posts: 37 Joined: 15-August 06 From: Middletown, Ohio Member No.: 23,202 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Kyle Hawkins |
Are there any um... side effects or donsides othe than a louder muzzle report, to cutting the airbrake?
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SECCONDARY WEAPON- CYMA G18c JG BAR-10, 60% of the time, it works every time Don't Click On Me |
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May 23 2008, 04:40 PM
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Is there any type of spring between a Laylax 130 and 150 spring? I've seen many PDI springs but none of them say the FPS.
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May 23 2008, 09:48 PM
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![]() Deadeye Group: Elite Posts: 1,336 Joined: 27-March 07 From: Bellingham, Washington Member No.: 28,867 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Chris R |
Are there any um... side effects or donsides othe than a louder muzzle report, to cutting the airbrake? Well, the gun's louder.. I guess that's bad, but with the people I play with, when they get hit, and they don't see anyone around, or hear a muzzle report, I guess they just think it was a twig, or something IDK. So I guess there would be a disadvantage to a silent gun... Chris -------------------- |
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May 24 2008, 04:41 PM
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![]() Old Greg Group: Elite Posts: 1,228 Joined: 29-January 08 From: Georgia Member No.: 35,943 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 1 (100%) Add Feedback for Greg Man |
well I was looking at the links to all the parts for the different fps, and since poweredgeusa doesnt have an online store anymore, isnt it kind of useless to have all the links to them?
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May 24 2008, 11:39 PM
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Well, the gun's louder.. I guess that's bad, but with the people I play with, when they get hit, and they don't see anyone around, or hear a muzzle report, I guess they just think it was a twig, or something IDK. So I guess there would be a disadvantage to a silent gun... Chris Yes but are there any other side effects? Woill it wear out any other parts faster? or anything like that? -------------------- PRIMARY WEAPON- JG Bar-10
SECCONDARY WEAPON- CYMA G18c JG BAR-10, 60% of the time, it works every time Don't Click On Me |
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May 26 2008, 11:44 AM
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I took my vsr-10 apart for the first time yesterday, and I tried to get at the barrel to do the barrel spacer mod, but I cant unscrew the barrel, I took out the little screw on the bottom, but is there sumthing else im missing? the thing wont unscrew, it moves slughtly, but it feels like its grinding metal, and no matter how much force I apply, it doesnt move past about a half rotation.
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May 26 2008, 01:41 PM
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ASF Citizen Group: Elite Posts: 399 Joined: 23-January 08 From: Jarrettsville MD. Member No.: 35,782 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for corelaxplayer |
I took my vsr-10 apart for the first time yesterday, and I tried to get at the barrel to do the barrel spacer mod, but I cant unscrew the barrel, I took out the little screw on the bottom, but is there sumthing else im missing? the thing wont unscrew, it moves slughtly, but it feels like its grinding metal, and no matter how much force I apply, it doesnt move past about a half rotation. Do you have a rail on top of your gun, if so take it of or loosen the front two screw. The screw at the front of the receiver rubs on the threads of the outer barrel when it is overtightened. This post has been edited by corelaxplayer: May 26 2008, 01:41 PM -------------------- ![]() |
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May 26 2008, 04:52 PM
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ASF Immigrant Group: Member Posts: 11 Joined: 18-April 08 Member No.: 38,685 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for mr_ace |
took the rail off and it still wont budge. any other ideas?
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Jun 18 2008, 09:16 PM
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ASF Immigrant Group: Member Posts: 28 Joined: 10-June 08 From: Long Island, NY Member No.: 40,409 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Jaehoon |
ok sorry to burst the bubble and be a Newbie but I don't get it. so u have to get all that sear stuff so your gun doesn't break? and how do you even upgrade it when u get the parts. by hand? wouldnt that be hard if u had a hard to assemble gun. gahh im just really confused with this "upgrading" thing now
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Jun 19 2008, 12:30 AM
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![]() Deadeye Group: Elite Posts: 1,336 Joined: 27-March 07 From: Bellingham, Washington Member No.: 28,867 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Chris R |
dude you are a moron.. sorry.. had to be said.. go somewhere else... That's not very curtious... The bolt action spring rifle is amazing in how simple it is. The parts are nice and big, and easy to deal with. The problem with the stock parts is simple. They are weak, and they will break if you try to use a spring that will get you the desired FPS (around 500-550). The whole objective in upgrading is to make the rifle better. Better usually means more powerful, more range, and better accuracy. To be specific... the sears are the metal parts in the trigger mechanism that hold back the piston when the rifle is cocked. The reason the sears need to be strong is the spring behind the piston in powerful. So powerful that it could break the sears, rendering the gun useless. If you have any questions at all, please shoot me a pm. Chris -------------------- |
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Jun 19 2008, 07:26 PM
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Jun 19 2008, 08:09 PM
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ASF Citizen Group: user_has_broken_email Posts: 556 Joined: 20-October 07 From: Oregon Member No.: 33,836 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for GH0ST SN1P3R |
Lol I would rather be around a courteous buffoon then an intelligent jerk any day.
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Jun 24 2008, 12:15 AM
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I have a (dumb) question....Will a 300mm barrel fit in my g-spec?...I don think a 3mm difference would be that important...
http://www.airsoftextreme.com/store/index....roducts_id=3689 |
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Jun 24 2008, 10:39 AM
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ASF Citizen Group: user_has_broken_email Posts: 556 Joined: 20-October 07 From: Oregon Member No.: 33,836 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for GH0ST SN1P3R |
I have a (dumb) question....Will a 300mm barrel fit in my g-spec?...I don think a 3mm difference would be that important... http://www.airsoftextreme.com/store/index....roducts_id=3689 The length won't matter but I don't think it is specifcally made for a VSR-10 so that mgith be a problem. Unless you got a new hop-up chamber kit that accepted all barrels. I would send them an e-mail because they stock VSR's so they might know if it works. |
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Jul 8 2008, 11:56 AM
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I did the 500fps upgrade the guide has and the bolt pull is like trying to pull 500lbs of concrete! I would get the teflon cylinder but need some more $$. O and the fact that I didnt grease any of the new parts might have something to do with that. Speaking of that what grease lube or anything shoud I use to make it smooth. I also found a barrel comparison chart. Scroll all the way to the bottom.
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Jul 8 2008, 03:53 PM
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![]() Deadeye Group: Elite Posts: 1,336 Joined: 27-March 07 From: Bellingham, Washington Member No.: 28,867 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Chris R |
Link does not work for me... sorry
Yes lubing will help dramatically, and it's understandable that pulling an m150 unlubbed could be difficult. For lubrication, you have a few options. After cleaning the outside of the cylinder, you could apply a light coat of silicon oil, wiping any excess off with a paper towel, or you could use white lithium grease. More, you could use teflon lube. But I would recommend the teflon cylinder. It's a good piece. ***UPGRADE GUIDE NEWS*** Even this new version of the VSR upgrade guide is aging, and is slowly becoming obsolete. After EdGI releases his V2B valve, expect a new version of the guide to come out soon, with more features than this one, and the last one combined. It will even include videos, working links, and a BAR 10 section. If you would like to participate with the making of the guide, I would really appreciate it. Shoot me a PM, and we'll work something out. Chris -------------------- |
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Jul 8 2008, 04:01 PM
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ASF Immigrant Group: Member Posts: 28 Joined: 10-June 08 From: Long Island, NY Member No.: 40,409 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Jaehoon |
wait so if I have a BAR-10 can I use any vsr-10 upgrade parts I find or are there like "specific" brand parts I have to use?
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Jul 8 2008, 04:05 PM
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![]() Deadeye Group: Elite Posts: 1,336 Joined: 27-March 07 From: Bellingham, Washington Member No.: 28,867 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Chris R |
You can use any part that is labeled to work with the TM VSR-10. They're exact clones of each other (design-wise)
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Jul 8 2008, 05:11 PM
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ASF Immigrant Group: Member Posts: 28 Joined: 10-June 08 From: Long Island, NY Member No.: 40,409 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Jaehoon |
oh so can I use these parts http://www.uncompany.com/pageproduct.asp?L3catid=79 ?
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Jul 8 2008, 08:34 PM
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![]() Deadeye Group: Elite Posts: 1,336 Joined: 27-March 07 From: Bellingham, Washington Member No.: 28,867 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Chris R |
Yes, you sure can
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Jul 8 2008, 10:33 PM
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![]() ASF Citizen Group: Member Posts: 821 Joined: 20-June 06 From: Illinois... what? You assumed Italy? Member No.: 21,767 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for SniperItalia |
yeah, I was reading the original post and I was wondering, instead of buying all of those trigger pieces separate, why not get the deep fire sear set for less money... doesn't it come with all 3 parts?
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Jul 8 2008, 11:14 PM
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![]() Deadeye Group: Elite Posts: 1,336 Joined: 27-March 07 From: Bellingham, Washington Member No.: 28,867 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Chris R |
yeah, I was reading the original post and I was wondering, instead of buying all of those trigger pieces separate, why not get the deep fire sear set for less money... doesn't it come with all 3 parts? No, two parts I think... the 1st and 2nd sears.. Also, they're not as durable as PDI ones, and they have dimensional issues. BTW the spring guide stopper isn't really a sear, and it hardly breaks anyways so it's something you replace only if it breaks, or starts to warp. Chris -------------------- |
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Jul 9 2008, 06:37 PM
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![]() ASF Citizen Group: Member Posts: 142 Joined: 21-March 08 From: Florida Member No.: 37,611 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for morbiz |
Thanks for the reply and also there is a little pin screw that came with the red piston and an o-ring. What are they for? Try this link my copy and paste wasnt working yesterday but now it is. so I typed it. weird?
http://www.impactgamesairsoft.com/Hammer/I...tpdi-barrel.htm This post has been edited by morbiz: Jul 9 2008, 06:39 PM |
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Jul 9 2008, 10:14 PM
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ASF Immigrant Group: Member Posts: 28 Joined: 10-June 08 From: Long Island, NY Member No.: 40,409 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Jaehoon |
oh I forgot to say thanks lol =P and also, d<DON'T POST EMAIL ADDRESSES>mn your guide must have helped like 500,000 (including me =])
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Jul 9 2008, 10:19 PM
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![]() Deadeye Group: Elite Posts: 1,336 Joined: 27-March 07 From: Bellingham, Washington Member No.: 28,867 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Chris R |
It's a grub screw, to go in place of the airbrake.
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Jul 10 2008, 02:38 PM
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ASF Immigrant Group: Member Posts: 4 Joined: 10-July 08 Member No.: 41,410 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for aetava |
When I select the links for the 500fps. An error page comes up? Also there is a trigger sear and a piston sear are these the ones your talking about and also is it alright to use laylax? thanks. sorry to bother
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Jul 10 2008, 03:18 PM
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![]() Deadeye Group: Elite Posts: 1,336 Joined: 27-March 07 From: Bellingham, Washington Member No.: 28,867 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Chris R |
Yes, the I linked to a store that is now out of business, so now, none of the links work, which is why a new guide is under construction.
Yes it's alright to use laylax, but some people have had issues with them, such as they don't catch correctly. Which is why we recommend PDI ones. No bother, Chris -------------------- |
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Jul 10 2008, 03:50 PM
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ASF Immigrant Group: Member Posts: 4 Joined: 10-July 08 Member No.: 41,410 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for aetava |
thanks alot also I had one more question. I cant find another High pressure piston(red) for 22 bucks lol. There twice as much like 50. Do you have any other places that sell them for so cheap??
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Jul 10 2008, 03:59 PM
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![]() Deadeye Group: Elite Posts: 1,336 Joined: 27-March 07 From: Bellingham, Washington Member No.: 28,867 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Chris R |
Yeah, sorry, I think that's what they are everywhere...
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Jul 15 2008, 11:26 AM
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![]() ASF Citizen Group: Member Posts: 142 Joined: 21-March 08 From: Florida Member No.: 37,611 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for morbiz |
so it goes in place of the airbrake? instead of choping it off I could have taken it off? one more thing what is the difference between these cylinders? PDI VSR-10 Short Stroke Cylinder Head and Laylax PSS10 Air Seal Damper Cylinder Head for VSR10 / G-Spec.
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Jul 15 2008, 02:23 PM
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![]() Deadeye Group: Elite Posts: 1,336 Joined: 27-March 07 From: Bellingham, Washington Member No.: 28,867 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Chris R |
so it goes in place of the airbrake? instead of choping it off I could have taken it off? one more thing what is the difference between these cylinders? PDI VSR-10 Short Stroke Cylinder Head and Laylax PSS10 Air Seal Damper Cylinder Head for VSR10 / G-Spec. Thanks a bunch o and im gettin my EDGI 6.00 today!! :P The short stroke piston takes up like... 1.5 in in the bolt, and it allows for a very short bolt bull, at the cost of a big chunk of fps (loss) While the damper head is just a standard upgraded head. Chris -------------------- |
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Jul 18 2008, 04:49 PM
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![]() ASF Citizen Group: Member Posts: 142 Joined: 21-March 08 From: Florida Member No.: 37,611 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for morbiz |
Isn't the PDI one more tapered than the laylax one thus making it better? 6.00 is AMAZING!! just need to get some new bucking. I got some teflon lube for my cylinder can I use that for my barrel 2?
Coming soon............. Laylax 170sp Teflon Cylinder PDI or Laylax cylinder head Nine ball hop up bucking Bipod.......lol .......................................... WE Hi Capa 5.1 wit mag .......................................... already have........ All laylax: neo piston, spring guide, spring guide stopper, and a 150sp PDI sears and 6.00 EDGI bull barrel 435mm All of it on a g-spec This post has been edited by morbiz: Jul 18 2008, 05:49 PM |
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Aug 2 2008, 08:55 AM
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![]() ASF Immigrant Group: Member Posts: 30 Joined: 27-February 08 From: Ocean County NJ Member No.: 36,861 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for KingDaKampo |
I'm fairly new to upgrades for sniper rifles and I was wondering if I got the Zero Trigger would I need to upgrade the bucking?
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Aug 3 2008, 09:19 AM
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ASF Immigrant Group: Member Posts: 7 Joined: 3-August 08 Member No.: 42,133 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Muffin |
Anyone have experience with the teflon cylinder? I'm just wondering if its really that much easier to cock and would be a worth while investment.
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Aug 3 2008, 03:07 PM
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![]() ASF Immigrant Group: Member Posts: 30 Joined: 27-February 08 From: Ocean County NJ Member No.: 36,861 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for KingDaKampo |
I'm fairly new to upgrades for sniper rifles and I was wondering if I got the Zero Trigger would I need to upgrade the bucking? Never mind I forgot it was part of the hop up. -------------------- |
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Aug 3 2008, 05:29 PM
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Aug 3 2008, 07:45 PM
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ASF Citizen Group: user_has_broken_email Posts: 556 Joined: 20-October 07 From: Oregon Member No.: 33,836 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for GH0ST SN1P3R |
Depends on the fps of your gun, under 450 or so and nineball will be great. Over and you want the KA hard type.
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Aug 4 2008, 08:32 AM
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![]() ASF Immigrant Group: Member Posts: 30 Joined: 27-February 08 From: Ocean County NJ Member No.: 36,861 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for KingDaKampo |
Ok. Thansk
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Aug 31 2008, 01:16 PM
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ASF Immigrant Group: Member Posts: 11 Joined: 18-June 08 Member No.: 40,705 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for jodgey4 |
im looking into upgrading my vsr-10 pro, and I have a few questions on what things do and what I should use
am looking at getting - the setup on the guide for 550 fps because I broke my old cylinder and cylinder head going to '400fps' so im going to the '550' setup because I might as well b/c im getting the teflon cylinder and head anyway to replace the one I broke and b/c I couldn't find the standard parts I am also going to get a laylax 120 and 170 and 190 spring for a wide range of fps.... but my questions are - 1. there are cylinder head sets... what to the different heads do and is it a good idea? 2. Laylax PSS10 Silent Damper... where does it go? is it a good idea? 3. Laylax Spring Tensioner for VSR-10 / G-Spec... where does it go? is it a good idea? is it only g-spec? (wgcshop) 4. Laylax Air Seal Chamber for VSR-10 / G-Spec... where does it go? is it a good idea? what's do? do I need it? is it only g-spec? (wgcshop) barrel - Prometheus EG Barrel for Marui Type 89 (433mm) ok length? - I really like prometheus and they are probably the best price to performance barrel... what else would I need to get? -------------------- Paiste, Ludwig, Vic Firth, Remo/Aquarian
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Sep 1 2008, 10:44 AM
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![]() ASF Citizen Group: Member Posts: 142 Joined: 21-March 08 From: Florida Member No.: 37,611 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for morbiz |
im looking into upgrading my vsr-10 pro, and I have a few questions on what things do and what I should use am looking at getting - the setup on the guide for 550 fps because I broke my old cylinder and cylinder head going to '400fps' so im going to the '550' setup because I might as well b/c im getting the teflon cylinder and head anyway to replace the one I broke and b/c I couldn't find the standard parts I am also going to get a laylax 120 and 170 and 190 spring for a wide range of fps.... but my questions are - 1. there are cylinder head sets... what to the different heads do and is it a good idea? 2. Laylax PSS10 Silent Damper... where does it go? is it a good idea? 3. Laylax Spring Tensioner for VSR-10 / G-Spec... where does it go? is it a good idea? is it only g-spec? (wgcshop) 4. Laylax Air Seal Chamber for VSR-10 / G-Spec... where does it go? is it a good idea? what's do? do I need it? is it only g-spec? (wgcshop) barrel - Prometheus EG Barrel for Marui Type 89 (433mm) ok length? - I really like prometheus and they are probably the best price to performance barrel... what else would I need to get? What I want to know is how you broke your cylinder and head with a 40 set up. Mines running fine with a 500 setup. Do you have upgraded sears of the zero trigger? You could get the Laylax VSR-10 Cylinder Head but im waiting for the BV2 from EDGI wich is supposed to be a killer. You realy don't need any of that stuff. The damper is for making the gun more quite but the ugraded cylinder heads usually have one on there. The spring tensioners just wear ur internals down more. They sanped my friends spring. The air seal chamber is for if you want to use a AEG barrel. I would either get a PDI 6.01 or EDGI 6.00. I have the EDGI |
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Sep 29 2008, 09:29 PM
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![]() ASF Citizen Group: Elite Posts: 374 Joined: 22-March 06 From: Stockton, California Member No.: 19,166 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Hammerchop |
good stuff.
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Oct 4 2008, 08:55 PM
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![]() ASF Immigrant Group: Member Posts: 6 Joined: 2-October 08 From: california Member No.: 43,747 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for mr.mcnuggets |
im about ready to order all the edgi upgradeds is that a good idea
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Oct 4 2008, 09:02 PM
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![]() ASF Immigrant Group: Member Posts: 20 Joined: 4-October 08 From: Hoffman Estates, IL Member No.: 43,790 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for SN1PER |
How long will my pro version last with 120 spring. It is completely stock.
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Oct 9 2008, 07:39 PM
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![]() Deadeye Group: Elite Posts: 1,336 Joined: 27-March 07 From: Bellingham, Washington Member No.: 28,867 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Chris R |
How long will my pro version last with 120 spring. It is completely stock. About a year. It won't break until you've used it quite a lot. And I would predict that your piston would be the part to give in. Chris -------------------- |
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Oct 10 2008, 10:18 PM
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![]() ASF Immigrant Group: Member Posts: 16 Joined: 18-February 08 Member No.: 36,492 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for StupidHurts |
Am I reading this correctly? If I get a DBC barrel do I have to get an aftermarket hop up? Because it only said that under the DBC barrel and I was thinking TM hop up was supposed to be very good. Or is not compatible or something?
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Oct 11 2008, 10:33 AM
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Am I reading this correctly? If I get a DBC barrel do I have to get an aftermarket hop up? Because it only said that under the DBC barrel and I was thinking TM hop up was supposed to be very good. Or is not compatible or something? No you don't. I have a DBC barrel, and I still use the sock hopup -------------------- ![]() |
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Oct 11 2008, 10:38 AM
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![]() ASF Immigrant Group: Member Posts: 16 Joined: 18-February 08 Member No.: 36,492 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for StupidHurts |
Thanks. Another quick question, should I keep the stock TM hop up or buy a firefly hop up instead?
This post has been edited by StupidHurts: Oct 11 2008, 02:54 PM -------------------- Airsoft Replicas Owned
TSD M3 Benelli (Tri Shot) With A Red Dot Sight Tokyo Marui VSR-10 G&G Mp5 A4 KWA Glock 19 (Slide Painted Green) |
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Nov 12 2008, 10:27 PM
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ASF Immigrant Group: Member Posts: 38 Joined: 12-April 08 Member No.: 38,430 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for kansasballer22 |
will these upgrades work on the JG bar 10?
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Nov 13 2008, 12:25 AM
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![]() ASF Citizen Group: Member Posts: 121 Joined: 29-October 08 From: Near Chicago Member No.: 44,389 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Shooter_Scott |
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Nov 13 2008, 06:29 PM
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![]() ASF Citizen Group: Member Posts: 142 Joined: 21-March 08 From: Florida Member No.: 37,611 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for morbiz |
yes everything is compatible
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Dec 7 2008, 12:48 PM
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Dec 8 2008, 10:25 PM
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![]() Deadeye Group: Elite Posts: 1,336 Joined: 27-March 07 From: Bellingham, Washington Member No.: 28,867 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Chris R |
yes
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Jan 2 2009, 09:16 PM
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ASF Citizen Group: Member Posts: 50 Joined: 30-December 08 Member No.: 45,644 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for ctres94 |
does anyone know where to buy a replacement tokyo marui vsr hop up?
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Jan 2 2009, 09:54 PM
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![]() ASF Citizen Group: Member Posts: 77 Joined: 12-May 08 From: san diego,california Member No.: 39,501 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for sdbigrod |
does anyone know where to buy a replacement tokyo marui vsr hop up? here you go http://redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/airsoft/...il?prodID=15706 (out of stock though) -------------------- silent souls make .308 holes
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