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 Jul 5 2007, 10:58 PM
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ASF Citizen Group: Member Posts: 83 Joined: 1-January 07 From: Mississippi, United States Member No.: 26,741  |
I have some more info on pill shaped bullets. A company in 1993(Asashi) produced an airsoft gun that fired "Blade Bullets" that performed amazingly, but back then, the market for such guns was very small, and Asashi stopped producing them. Now the rifles, and the bullets are extremely hard to find and expensive, but here is a link with some info on the entire thing, with some good pictures of how it worked. If this was mass produced now, I would definitely buy one, as the people who have them now say that the rifle has superior accuracy and range, and can hit a human target at 200 yards easily, without extreme FPS's.
Here's the link: Asashi M700 Pre-Production Ad If we can succeed in something like this, I believe airsoft sniping would be revolutionized. -Z- |
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Jul 5 2007, 11:45 PM
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 Deadeye Group: Elite Posts: 1,323 Joined: 27-March 07 From: Bellingham, Washington Member No.: 28,867 |
Very good, ZACK. A cookie for you.
I think this would be EXTREMLY realistic, and would probably end up being illegalized. Maybe, maybe not. But wow... Nice find.' What do you guys think of this? Peace to all, Chris -------------------- |
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Jul 5 2007, 11:48 PM
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 ASF Addict Group: Moderator Level 2 Posts: 5,503 Joined: 3-June 06 From: Wichita, Kansas Member No.: 21,187 |
QUOTE (Christafuarion @ Jul 5 2007, 11:45 PM)  Very good, ZACK. A cookie for you. I think this would be EXTREMLY realistic, and would probably end up being illegalized. Maybe, maybe not. But wow... Nice find.' What do you guys think of this? Peace to all, Chris An idea that deserves a reawakening. Thanks for the info Zack. --------------------  |
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Jul 6 2007, 12:11 AM
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 Determined  Group: Authorized Seller Elite Posts: 1,366 Joined: 26-May 06 From: Ferndale, WA - USA Member No.: 20,906 |
That is one outstanding find Zack! A very interesting idea, too bad it never caught on; I plan to do a little more research and see if using this idea would be ideal.
The design of the projectile would disallow them to be reversed in the magazine when loaded, but that would be no trouble. In my opinion, making the projectiles to fit inside of fake casings would be much too complicated to be done by someone at home. Cheers, Graham. This post has been edited by Graham Abram: Jul 6 2007, 12:14 AM -------------------- [ -To Be A Sniper- -Firing The Bolt Action Rifle- -All Around Safety- ] -Notable members of ASF: Von Luck, Wizkid009, Pirate, Domskidan, Paisly Pirate |
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Jul 6 2007, 12:21 AM
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ASF Citizen Group: Member Posts: 83 Joined: 1-January 07 From: Mississippi, United States Member No.: 26,741 |
QUOTE (Graham Abram @ Jul 6 2007, 12:11 AM) That is one outstanding find Zack! A very interesting idea, too bad it never caught on; I plan to do a little more research and see if using this idea would be ideal. The design of the projectile would disallow them to be reversed in the magazine when loaded, but that would be no trouble. In my opinion, making the projectiles to fit inside of fake casings would be much too complicated to be done by someone at home. Cheers, Graham. But, it keeps the AEG's from being able to use it against us, thus keeping Snipers a Step ahead. If we design a mag, AEG's will start using those mags as well. It's hard for an AEG to use shells, as a rapid rate of fire will get them lost very fast. I actually like the idea of using the compressed air from a hand pump to charge each shell, as we wouldn't have to buy expensive high pressure gas, and it would make the bolt pull easier without having to coil a high tension spring. You could also adjust your FPS based on how many pumps you put into each shell. The only problem I could see would be the difference in FPS based on temperature, but as we wouldn't have hop-up anymore, it wouldn't matter too much, as long as your scope was sighted in, as the hop wouldn't change the flight of your BB. If only I had one of those beasts... Instead of a cookie, can you get me a Type 96, or $360? =D -Z- This post has been edited by Zack: Jul 6 2007, 12:29 AM |
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Jul 6 2007, 12:40 AM
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ASF Addict Group: Moderator Level 2 Posts: 5,503 Joined: 3-June 06 From: Wichita, Kansas Member No.: 21,187 |
QUOTE (Graham Abram @ Jul 6 2007, 12:11 AM) That is one outstanding find Zack! A very interesting idea, too bad it never caught on; I plan to do a little more research and see if using this idea would be ideal. The design of the projectile would disallow them to be reversed in the magazine when loaded, but that would be no trouble. In my opinion, making the projectiles to fit inside of fake casings would be much too complicated to be done by someone at home. Cheers, Graham. Especially since real guns are readily available. Especially for the amount that these guns will cost. -------------------- |
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Jul 6 2007, 08:33 AM
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ASF Citizen Group: Member Posts: 367 Joined: 12-February 07 From: Texas Member No.: 27,728 |
The Asashi or Asahi m40 was banned because the design allowed it to be supposedly modified into a real rifle. However I have never seen it done.
-------------------- Current Arsenal
CA B&T MP5 SD5 @ 400 fps G&P m14 EBR on TM m14 with guarder ftk @ 400 fps PDI Bore Up VSR 10 with FF Zero Trigger @ 550 fps or whatever I need it to be KWA Glock 17 @ 9,000 yards per second (It just seemed wierd to put a 300 fps gun under that list TM 1911 |
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Jul 6 2007, 09:05 AM
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 ASF Citizen Group: Elite Posts: 475 Joined: 2-March 07 From: Winthrop Harbor, Il Member No.: 28,213 |
1. marui and maruzen will laugh, even if you send them 1 million e-mails, because of the fact their primary market is based in japan, with the .98joule power limit.
2. I am not even touching the pill-shaped bb's 3. that rifle could cause our revolution!!! viva las asashi!! -------------------- I discontinued the player finder a long, long time ago due to general disinterest. please do not e-mail or message me about it any more.
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Jul 6 2007, 09:12 AM
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 ASF Citizen Group: Banned User Posts: 169 Joined: 27-June 07 Member No.: 31,314 |
Wow thats a good idea. bb's that are sort of like white tic tacs. But how would work with hopup wouldnt that just make them go nowhere because they are doing so much scraping on the barrel?
-------------------- AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT IS SICK OF HEARING XHADO SAYING SPRAY CLEAN UP YOUR ACT?
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Jul 6 2007, 09:59 AM
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ASF Citizen Group: user_has_broken_email Posts: 50 Joined: 10-April 07 From: Delaware Member No.: 29,265 |
Rap4 which is a milsim paintball company has already made bbs with tailfins but they have to go in shells made for there guns and they only make an m4 and mp5.Maybe we could somehow modify a gun to shoot these bbs.
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Jul 6 2007, 11:41 AM
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Deadeye Group: Elite Posts: 1,323 Joined: 27-March 07 From: Bellingham, Washington Member No.: 28,867 |
ZACK- Sorry buddy, you'll have to stick to the cookie.
Spray and Pray- There would be no hop up. The hope is that the rifling (not necessarily rifling, just anything that makes the pellet spin) and not spherical projectile would dramatically increase range. Sgt. Pwn- that idea has already been discussed, and if you look closely, those are only .18 g in weight. Bgugi- That is a very good point! Thank you for bringing that up! We were also thinking of sending the petition to tsunami or killer beez or another third party. I don't think that tempertature would make a differance with HPA (High Pressure/power Air), because with g gas, it has to go from a liquid to gas to create power, where as with HPA, it is just compressed air. -------------------- |
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Jul 6 2007, 11:56 AM
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 Khornate Berzerker Group: Member Posts: 746 Joined: 19-April 07 From: Ohio Member No.: 29,493 |
I'd suggest sending the petitions to every pellet manufacturer possible.
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Jul 6 2007, 12:01 PM
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ASF Addict Group: Moderator Level 2 Posts: 5,503 Joined: 3-June 06 From: Wichita, Kansas Member No.: 21,187 |
QUOTE (bgugi @ Jul 6 2007, 09:05 AM) 1. marui and maruzen will laugh, even if you send them 1 million e-mails, because of the fact their primary market is based in japan, with the .98joule power limit. 2. I am not even touching the pill-shaped bb's 3. that rifle could cause our revolution!!! viva las asashi!! I doubt it. America is a much bigger country w/ a lot more people. With airsoft growing by leaps and bounds every day, if it isn't already, it soon will be the biggest market. Heck, Tm is talking about building a factory over here, (kinda sad really, we farm work to china, and they farm it over here). -------------------- |
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Jul 6 2007, 04:44 PM
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Deadeye Group: Elite Posts: 1,323 Joined: 27-March 07 From: Bellingham, Washington Member No.: 28,867 |
I need WAY more statements from you guys. Please. It won't take but a minute of your time. I'm not asking for a novel, just two sentances. Thank you.
Peace to all, Chris -------------------- |
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Jul 6 2007, 04:45 PM
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Determined Group: Authorized Seller Elite Posts: 1,366 Joined: 26-May 06 From: Ferndale, WA - USA Member No.: 20,906 |
QUOTE (bgugi @ Jul 6 2007, 08:05 AM) 1. marui and maruzen will laugh, even if you send them 1 million e-mails, because of the fact their primary market is based in japan, with the .98joule power limit. 2. I am not even touching the pill-shaped bb's 3. that rifle could cause our revolution!!! viva las asashi!! Not true, thought Tokyo Mauri is based in Japan, the U.S. is one of the largest consumers of TM's products. Therefore TM may be influenced to do their own research into the idea, and perhaps begin to design something. TM has no reason to refuse any contribution to the development of a new type of airsoft replica; the only thing that will affect their judgment is weather or not they believe it will return enough money when such a product is sold. Cheers, Graham. -------------------- [ -To Be A Sniper- -Firing The Bolt Action Rifle- -All Around Safety- ] -Notable members of ASF: Von Luck, Wizkid009, Pirate, Domskidan, Paisly Pirate |
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Jul 6 2007, 05:15 PM
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Deadeye Group: Elite Posts: 1,323 Joined: 27-March 07 From: Bellingham, Washington Member No.: 28,867 |
Okay...The statement think hasn't really worked out so well, but I am sure that 100% of you wouldn't complain if good .36 and.43 bbs hit the market. Just imagine... taking the bbs out of the bag and putting them straight in the mag, rather than the wash, or inspection dish... wouldn't that be awesome?!
So I wrote this: For Airsoft snipers, there are a few options for BBs. If your gun is of mild velocities (400fps), it is recommended to use either Maruzen .29 Super Grand Master BBs, or Tokyo Mauri .30 Superior Grade bbs. These are bbs of the utmost quality and precision, they feature extremely consistent diameter measurements, weights and roundness, and surface finish. But for sniper rifles putting out 500-550fps, your only option for BBs is Straight/Digicon .36 or .43 BBs. The only thing that makes them good, is there weight. Ironically, they are meant to be used by snipers, but are in reality, some of the worst bbs out there . They are sometimes coated with graphite, which is know to get into your HOP-UP system and gunk it up. Those that aren’t coated with graphite, have terrible surface finishes, and inconsistent diameters, shape, and weight. This makes for accuracy no where close to where it could or should be. If there were .36 and .43 bbs with the quality, precision, and accuracy of the Maruzen or Tokyo Mauri precision bbs, they would not only sell, but offer a degree of accuracy that would blow the current standards out of the water. Below are the usernames of the people who would buy such a BB, or think they would sell terrifically, or agree with what is covered in the above statement. If you want your name under this, Pm me a message that says "sign me up". Thats it. And after I have a substantial amount of names, I will send it off to as many companies as possible. Thanks. Peace to all, Chris EDIT: Thank you those who have let me sign them up. I am getting a much more rapid response. But still, don't be hesitant to pm me. Thank you. This post has been edited by Christafuarion: Jul 6 2007, 07:55 PM -------------------- |
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Jul 7 2007, 10:39 PM
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ASF Citizen Group: Elite Posts: 139 Joined: 16-March 07 From: Wisconsin Member No.: 28,573 |
I think making a sniper a pump gun would make it too much like a pellet rifle, especially with pellets. also taking away the bolt action takes away the realistic feel of the gun
--------------------  My Arsenal: *CA M15a4 R.I.S. with Tree ACOG, Gemtech Silencer, Echo Rear flip sight, SWAT Tac light, magpul rail covers *KWA G17 **ACU Loadout QUOTE black ops 10 year old football party! , except the 10 year old is the ball |
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Jul 8 2007, 11:31 AM
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 Faugh A Ballah Group: Elite Posts: 1,791 Joined: 11-November 06 From: Springfield, MA Member No.: 25,640 |
QUOTE (762 @ Jul 6 2007, 09:33 AM) The Asashi or Asahi m40 was banned because the design allowed it to be supposedly modified into a real rifle. However I have never seen it done. I could see it being banned for being too realistic. If you were ever seen cycling a round by a police officer there is no doubt in my mind that you would have weapons drawn on you just because the cycling looks so real with the ejecting shells and what not. If those were brought back into airsofting the media would have an airsoft bash on a scale never seen before. -------------------- |
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Jul 26 2007, 03:30 PM
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 ASF Citizen Group: Member Posts: 54 Joined: 31-July 06 From: NYC Member No.: 22,757 |
I know this is a bit of a mild necropost, but I have been working on a "Better BB" and the PSs (Pill-shaped's) up to this point.
I've done some research about melting plastic so they can be put into molds. I read that there are some dangers with gases being released when melting unproperly. A heating plate of some sort may be needed to keep constant temperature (I think electric ones are recommended). I also found a chemical based way of melting ABS. This deals with the use of the chemical MEK (MethylEthylKetone) and ABS flakes/dust/chunks. Details can be found here. I also recently purchased RAP4 Airfins. Apparently, RAP4 has discounted their Arifin line for 50% off. I have a pack of 500 .19 Airfins on the way. It costed ~$22 shipped, so I really don't care if I wasted some money on this. Next, after some testing, I might try and design some BBs around the Airfins or improve on the design. Also, I just want to know who else is doing some testing/experimenting. I think Graham is doing some work. If you can, keep us updated with your findings/ progress. --------------------   (Got myself a Marushin Redhawk, but I still might be interested in revolvers for a project.) Revolvers: Have one? Broke one? Don't need/want it anymore? Let me know. I'll take it off your hands for the right price. Support the movement for Better BBs |
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Jul 26 2007, 04:41 PM
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Deadeye Group: Elite Posts: 1,323 Joined: 27-March 07 From: Bellingham, Washington Member No.: 28,867 |
Yeah, a bit of a necro post, but don't worry about it, you had some good stuff to add.
Please let us know about the Rap4's, they are only .19g I think, but it will be interesting to see how the preform. I would like to take this oppertunity to again ask more people for their permission for me to sign them up in my petition, I have not sent it out yet, but it is (very) slowly growing. It won't take you but a moment of your time. Please contact me via the om system, Thank you -------------------- |
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Jul 27 2007, 01:49 AM
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Determined Group: Authorized Seller Elite Posts: 1,366 Joined: 26-May 06 From: Ferndale, WA - USA Member No.: 20,906 |
I have actually been researching a new design which has been proven effective and accurate already, however have used pyrotechnic propellants. If you do some research into the projectile used for simunitions you will have and idea of what I am talking about. Of course simunitions used paint inside of the projectile; however this is airsoft, so no paint would be used. It is difficult to put into my own words the design of the simunition projectile thus I urge you to research it yourself.
Using these different type projectiles would allow for higher velocity, greater accuracy and less pain; which means being able to fire on the enemy at closer ranges. This post has been edited by Graham Abram: Jul 27 2007, 01:55 AM -------------------- [ -To Be A Sniper- -Firing The Bolt Action Rifle- -All Around Safety- ] -Notable members of ASF: Von Luck, Wizkid009, Pirate, Domskidan, Paisly Pirate |
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Jul 27 2007, 07:59 PM
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Deadeye Group: Elite Posts: 1,323 Joined: 27-March 07 From: Bellingham, Washington Member No.: 28,867 |
QUOTE (Graham Abram @ Jul 26 2007, 11:49 PM) I have actually been researching a new design which has been proven effective and accurate already, however have used pyrotechnic propellants. If you do some research into the projectile used for simunitions you will have and idea of what I am talking about. Of course simunitions used paint inside of the projectile; however this is airsoft, so no paint would be used. It is difficult to put into my own words the design of the simunition projectile thus I urge you to research it yourself. Using these different type projectiles would allow for higher velocity, greater accuracy and less pain; which means being able to fire on the enemy at closer ranges. On their site it says that the "maximum tactical range" is 100ft. But then again, I'm not exacly sure what "maximum tactical range" is And a special thanks to yakuzaninja, bat21win, uscrocks29 and 5.56er for being so speedy with their PMs. I now have 14 people on my list. Yea, I know, not very convincing. So be sure to send those Pms! I am now taking the fight to ASR, to get their votes. -------------------- |
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Jul 27 2007, 08:20 PM
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 Artillery Misplacement Manager Group: Elite Posts: 703 Joined: 8-June 06 From: carson/torrance, CA Member No.: 21,366 |
wow, even I (not a sniper) think this is great. I want the snipers to hold a advantage over me and all the other AEG users. makes the game more interesting/realistic.
-------------------- Pu'nct.ua:ti,on ?iS/ F"un!!
 hats off to pyrosniper for this sig! if you live near torrance, CA, PM me. |
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Jul 27 2007, 08:29 PM
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 ASF Citizen Group: Member Posts: 328 Joined: 10-October 06 From: newyork (plays upstate, long island) Member No.: 24,716 |
QUOTE (LtAttiic @ Jul 27 2007, 09:20 PM) wow, even I (not a sniper) think this is great. I want the snipers to hold a advantage over me and all the other AEG users. makes the game more interesting/realistic. I love you, the first aeg user who doesnt want to take our distance advantage away from us poor souls. -------------------- Men love war because it allows them to look serious. Because it is the one thing that stops women from laughing at them. -John Fowles
"Certainly your not serious!" "Indeed I am." "You understand the torture that they have planned!" "Yes my dear..." "so you cant!" "I will" "then say hi to mother for me..." - a conversation on whether to see my girlfriends mother for the holidays |
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Jul 27 2007, 08:30 PM
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Deadeye Group: Elite Posts: 1,323 Joined: 27-March 07 From: Bellingham, Washington Member No.: 28,867 |
QUOTE (yakuzaninja @ Jul 27 2007, 06:29 PM) I love you, the first aeg user who doesnt want to take our distance advantage away from us poor souls. HAHA me too -------------------- |
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Jul 27 2007, 08:31 PM
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Artillery Misplacement Manager Group: Elite Posts: 703 Joined: 8-June 06 From: carson/torrance, CA Member No.: 21,366 |
QUOTE (Christafuarion @ Jul 27 2007, 06:30 PM) HAHA me too well, I am using a M14, but none the less, I stand by your point. -------------------- Pu'nct.ua:ti,on ?iS/ F"un!!
hats off to pyrosniper for this sig! if you live near torrance, CA, PM me. |
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Jul 27 2007, 10:34 PM
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Deadeye Group: Elite Posts: 1,323 Joined: 27-March 07 From: Bellingham, Washington Member No.: 28,867 |
Ok... I posted a topic in ASR, and I was checking it's progress, and all of the sudden, I think it was deleted...
Weird, I even searched the title, and it didn't show up.. Wtf? -------------------- |
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Jul 27 2007, 10:38 PM
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ASF Addict Group: Moderator Level 2 Posts: 5,503 Joined: 3-June 06 From: Wichita, Kansas Member No.: 21,187 |
QUOTE (yakuzaninja @ Jul 27 2007, 08:29 PM) I love you, the first aeg user who doesnt want to take our distance advantage away from us poor souls. If you hadn't noticed, I'm a Dm/Rifleman, not a sniper. But I understand reality. A sniper is supposed to have a huge range advantage. -------------------- |
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Jul 27 2007, 10:47 PM
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ASF Citizen Group: Member Posts: 83 Joined: 1-January 07 From: Mississippi, United States Member No.: 26,741 |
I have also purchased a bag of these airfins. I will test them at different FPS's, and give you guys the results. I wouldn't expect FPS to have much effect on its accuracy, as they won't use the Hop-Up. I'll fill yall in when I receive them.
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Jul 27 2007, 11:58 PM
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ASF Citizen Group: Member Posts: 328 Joined: 10-October 06 From: newyork (plays upstate, long island) Member No.: 24,716 |
QUOTE (bat21win @ Jul 27 2007, 11:38 PM) If you hadn't noticed, I'm a Dm/Rifleman, not a sniper. But I understand reality. A sniper is supposed to have a huge range advantage. im a big guy, lots of love to go around, I love you too? and there was an issue on ASR about contacting companies and boycots and all junk. -------------------- Men love war because it allows them to look serious. Because it is the one thing that stops women from laughing at them. -John Fowles
"Certainly your not serious!" "Indeed I am." "You understand the torture that they have planned!" "Yes my dear..." "so you cant!" "I will" "then say hi to mother for me..." - a conversation on whether to see my girlfriends mother for the holidays |
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Jul 28 2007, 12:19 AM
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 Wert, ASF's Camp Counselor. Group: Moderator Posts: 1,397 Joined: 14-July 07 From: Somewhere in CA Member No.: 31,796 |
I agree one hundred percent, if TM or maruzin starting selling those BB's then I would definatly buy them. IM WITH YOU!
This post has been edited by Wert: Jul 28 2007, 12:20 AM --------------------  -Made by meOfficial starter of the "How is my Modding" thread trend. Currently not making signatures. -Wert |
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Jul 28 2007, 04:37 PM
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ASF Citizen Group: Member Posts: 83 Joined: 1-January 07 From: Mississippi, United States Member No.: 26,741 |
QUOTE (yakuzaninja @ Jul 27 2007, 11:58 PM) im a big guy, lots of love to go around, I love you too? and there was an issue on ASR about contacting companies and boycots and all junk. We're not boycotting, we're just requesting reputable companies to start making higher quality heavy-weight BB's. |
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Jul 28 2007, 04:41 PM
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Deadeye Group: Elite Posts: 1,323 Joined: 27-March 07 From: Bellingham, Washington Member No.: 28,867 |
Yeah, but rules are rule, no matter how screwed up they are
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Jul 28 2007, 07:37 PM
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 ASF Immigrant Group: Member Posts: 18 Joined: 24-July 07 Member No.: 32,108 |
QUOTE (Christafuarion @ Jul 4 2007, 04:38 PM) Airsoft snipers used to hold an enormous advantage in range over the AEG users, but with all of the popularity with aegs, and the new upgrades that are coming out for them, killing a sniper is basically, just find him, and spray. The range gap that we hold over AEGs, is slowley, but surely, closing. There are no "new" airsoft snipers that have a significant breakthrough. The bulk of the attention of manufacturers is focused on cheap chinese clones, boasting high fps and bad parts. I think we are slowley being abandoned. Some brave souls have realized this and have sought out ways to improve the preformance of their rifles; the most popular idea, now seems to be "Pill-shaped" ammo, and rifling. But there are those who do nothing but bash these ideas down to the ground, telling them it will never work. This is not a discussion about this specific idea and it's advantages, and disadvantages. Please post accordingly I see two options to our dilema (sp). ONE: We select a small group of trusted people (or just one) on this forum, and donate funds to them so they may research the idea, of pill, or flathead ammo in snipers. We can't expect them to do it by themselves, and we have already established that big companies will not try to develope these any time soon. We just need to let them know that it will (or will not) work, then they might be encouraged to take the reigns. TWO: We bombard presision bb makers to make a better heavy-weight bb. The only option out there now is straight/digicon, and the only reason we buy from them is because they are the only makers of bbs above .35 grams (excluding .88). And we all know that they really aren't that great. If we can get Maruzen or TM to make a heavy-weight bb line with the presision of their .29s and .3s, they would sell like hotcakes, and most likely cut our groupings in half, adding to our effective range, possibly making 300ft. shots a lot more common. And we would tell them not to coat their bbs w/ graphite. This thread will contain no flaming, or bashing, consructive critasizm please. And, this will not be a "lets talk about it thread. This is the thread where we start to do something. This is the thread where we organize ourselves into a community that does for themselves what was once done for them. Who's with me!!! Peace to all, Chris I couldnt agreed more and great points there to ☆Tiger Shark☆ --------------------  |
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Jul 28 2007, 07:53 PM
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 Gone Group: Elite Posts: 609 Joined: 11-July 06 From: Hudson, Ohio Member No.: 22,496 |
ASR's mods have been deleting a lot of topics lately, with absolutely no reasons given.
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Jul 28 2007, 08:08 PM
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ASF Immigrant Group: Member Posts: 18 Joined: 24-July 07 Member No.: 32,108 |
QUOTE (uscrocks29 @ Jul 28 2007, 07:53 PM) ASR's mods have been deleting a lot of topics lately, with absolutely no reasons given. what kind of topics -------------------- |
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Jul 28 2007, 09:00 PM
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 ASF Citizen Group: Elite Posts: 362 Joined: 5-February 06 From: TX/IN Member No.: 18,055 |
Even thought I have a source for digicon .43g bbs, I would love to see more readily available heavyweight BBs. I know with this new rifle I created (803 fps has been my higher reading), even .43s arent heavy enough, but with a 700ish mm inner barrel and that much power coupled with a high power scope and heavy bbs, AEGers never know what him em.
ABout Asahis blade bullet system, its true, that m40a1 was banned because it was EXTREMELY easy to make fire real rounds, but the blade bullet system was a very good idea, it would give snipers an extreme advantage. I've been wanting to integrate the M40's blade system into the shell of a modern sniper like my new APS and see what I can do. If I do undertake this project, I will definately keep my progress posted on ASF. If it does work, it would surely be one of the most effective airsoft sniper rifles out there. Ill let you guys know whats up, but the M40 is so hard to find, and it would be a shame to rip it apart. --------------------  Rare and Unusual Airsoft Guns Are What I'm Aboot   |
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Jul 28 2007, 09:37 PM
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ASF Citizen Group: Member Posts: 83 Joined: 1-January 07 From: Mississippi, United States Member No.: 26,741 |
QUOTE (BoostedBlue @ Jul 28 2007, 09:00 PM) I know with this new rifle I created (803 fps has been my higher reading), even .43s arent heavy enough, but with a 700ish mm inner barrel and that much power coupled with a high power scope and heavy bbs, AEGers never know what him em. I sure hope you are joking. If you had shot me with that rifle, we would have a serious problem, and I would make sure you never played at any games that I was attending. Shooting someone with a rifle that hot is extremely dangerous, an definitely not tolerated at any organized event. If the guys you are playing with don't set up FPS limits, may /THOU SHALT NOT USE MY NAME IN VAIN/ be with them and you, as that is an injury, and a lawsuit waiting to happen. I doubt even ANSI approved goggles could stand up to that kind of force if shot from not too considerable a range... |
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Jul 28 2007, 09:42 PM
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ASF Immigrant Group: Member Posts: 18 Joined: 24-July 07 Member No.: 32,108 |
QUOTE (Zack @ Jul 28 2007, 09:37 PM) I sure hope you are joking. If you had shot me with that rifle, we would have a serious problem, and I would make sure you never played at any games that I was attending. Shooting someone with a rifle that hot is extremely dangerous, an definitely not tolerated at any organized event. If the guys you are playing with don't set up FPS limits, may /THOU SHALT NOT USE MY NAME IN VAIN/ be with them and you, as that is an injury, and a lawsuit waiting to happen. I doubt even ANSI approved goggles could stand up to that kind of force if shot from not too considerable a range... I agreed a sniper rifle that strong will break skin badly lawsuits most likely will happen so it would hurt like 
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Jul 28 2007, 09:57 PM
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ASF Citizen Group: Elite Posts: 362 Joined: 5-February 06 From: TX/IN Member No.: 18,055 |
QUOTE (☆Tiger Shark☆ @ Jul 28 2007, 10:42 PM) I agreed a sniper rifle that strong will break skin badly lawsuits most likely will happen so it would hurt like Yes it will, thats why I have a minumum engagement distance for myself. Anything else, I just use one of my backup weapons. Cmon now people, I've been doing this long enough to know what I'm doing; Im not going to shoot someone with an 800 fps rifle at under 100 feet, I want to tag them, not put a piece of plastic under their skin. Now if it were an 800 fps MP5 or something like that, I could see your point, but please don't assume I don't know what I'm doing; I take offense at that. And when you play in matches where there are no FPS limits, you might want to be prepared to feel some pain, but rest assured, im not out to shoot someone in the face with this thing at any range, I refrain from headshots unless absolutely necessary. -------------------- Rare and Unusual Airsoft Guns Are What I'm Aboot |
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