Don't neglect your ammo.

If you check the data, heavier BBs always do better. People often upgrade with fps and barrels in their minds, ammo is the last thing they would buy. Faster speed alone will get you more air resistance. That's all. Faster muzzle speed does not necessarily get you accuracy nor range. But what faster muzzle speed allows you to do is, to use heavier BBs. No matter how long, and how tight your barrel is, your airsoft rifle is as good as the BB it shoots. If you want accuracy and range, don't forget to buy some excellent BBs.

It's a misconcention to think that heavy BBs have less range. Heavier ones have more range, unless you are using 0.43g on stock spring (then it's too heavy).

If you have stock rifle, and have been using 0.2g BBs, just get yourself a bag of decent 0.25g.

If your rifle has at least 120 spring, you can use 0.28g or even 0.3g BBs. Use them.

If you have a heavily upgraded rifle, and still using 0.25g, that's as good as not having upgraded.


Most of the people who have been tinkering around with their rifles, already know how important ammo is for a sniper. But for those who are starting out, I would like to remind them without good BBs, sniper rifles just don't work good. If you have no ammo, sniper rifle is useless. By the same token, if you are using light weight, poor quality BBs, your sniper rifle cannot function properly, no matter how much you spent to upgrade it. Please do not forget to get heaviest weight BBs your rifle can handle.

For me, I don't consider anything lighter than 0.29g a sniper rifle's ammo.

TM 0.3g is top notch, So is Maruzen Super Grandmaster 0.29g. SiiS 0.3g is fine, so is their 0.33gs.
Maxi 0.3g is fine too. Some said that KSC perfect 0.3g is good too, but I have not tried it.

Straight 0.36g and 0.43g BBs do not have excellent surface finish, and there are some deformed ones, so you will have to inspect them one by one. If you weed out, they are good. But to push out 0.36g, you will need at least 150 or 170 spring. For 0.43g, you will need 170 or 190 spring.

What specific brand and weight would you reccomend for a AtoZ Dragunov SVD at about 550 fps?

Nice rifle you have.

I would use 0.36 or even 0.43. Those are made by Digicon/Straight. They are very expensive and their surface finish is not so good. You would need to inspect the BBs and select good ones, if you want your shots to count. If you don't want to do that, get SiiS 0.33g. These are a bit oily, so you need to rub oil off. Otherwise, it would start spinning and curve after 100 feet or so. At bare minimum, I would use TM 0.3g BBs.



Edit: Oil on SiiS BBs can be washed away in detergent water, listerine. BBs work best when they are bone-dry.

This post has been edited by Von Luck: May 29 2007, 10:04 PM

Didnt you write this before or did I predict the future. LOL Sitcky!!!
So I hear so much about the Tokyo Marui .3's. I think im going to pick some up. Are they just called Tokyo Marui ,3's or is it something else? Thanks

Is this them... From WGC


This post has been edited by test dummy: Mar 9 2007, 03:05 PM

Yes, That's it.

The legendary Marui 0.3g that's made with ball bearing manufacturing process--whatever that means.

hey I just have a m324 with the teflon so what would you suggest for that? (400fps) Also, if I got the tighbore then what bbs would I want? (450fps)

Thanks a lot.

(Ball bearing are perfectly cylindrical, since they are used to reduce friction, so if you made bb's with that proccess they would have to be near perfect.......wow I just realized why they are so good without buying them)

I think you mean perfectly spherical, but point me out as a fool if I'm wrong. Anyway- for lower end rifles, like the m324, something like a relatively-good quality .25, and with mods, a "tm .30", are definitely universally recommended?

wow...usually I have a good choice in words

well thanks a lot

If it is around 400fps, I would use 0.28g, 0.29g, or even 0.3g. Killer Beez sell 0.28g BBs. I have not used them so I don't know how good their 0.28g is though. Maruzen Super Grandmaster 0.29g is very expensive, but one of the best. TM is best in 0.3g class. Considering how expensive Maruzen SGM and TM 0.3g is, Killerbeez 0.28g might be perfect, if the quality is okay ($22 for 4000 rounds+ shipping). [Disclaimer: I have no idea about the quality of Killer Beez-I just think it's a welcome addition if their quality is decent] KSC 0.3g should be okay too, but I have not used this one either.

I don't think tightbore alone would raise the muzzle speed 50fps. Maybe like 20. 450fps would be nice speed for 0.3g and 0.33g.

Yes, This is true for sure because yesterday I was shooting my ca mp5a4 with .12 to see what it would do and of course the bbs went all over the place but not only that the .20 went a good 50ft farther then the.12 did.

Just want to note something:

The .36s have (very) imperfect finishes, but there are no such deformations on the .43s from Straight (at least not in the last 3 bags I have used).

That's good news.

But is there 0.43g BBs that's not covered in graphite?

Not that I know of. But the graphite is just for lubrication (however crude it may be). Consider it a "colored" version (I don't mean anything racially here) of silicon lube that you find on white bbs.

I know you guys already said a M324 with the teflon mod should use .29's or whatever, but what about if our M324 is stock? Would I rather opt for a .25? I have a feeling that if I used .29 or .30 in it, it would really be down on FPS. Correct if I am wrong, naturally.

Don't worry about fps. It's a useful measurement when you are buying a rifle or upgrading it. But once you have it, you can't do anything about it. Just get a dozen heavy BBs from your sniper friends, and see how they fly. Every BB curves down eventually, but if it curves down too much for you to compensate even with a full hop, it's too heavy for your rifle.

0.2g fired at 280fps sounds better than 0.25g fired at 250 fps, right? But in about 60 feet, 0.2g would lose 110fps, and go down to 170fps. 0.25g would lose only 77fps, and down to 173fps. At 60feet mark, 0.25g is going faster than 0.2g because lighter 0.2g loses so much speed right out of the muzzle. Which is why I am saying, not to worry about fps, because faster muzzle speed by using lighter BBs would be lost immediately.

My guess would be that M324 could use at least 0.28g BBs, but try 0.25g, 0.28g and 0.3g. Of course 0.3g would be most accurate, but it might curve down too much at full hop for your to compensate effectively in the field. If so, use 0.28g. If that's curving down too much, --I would not think so--, then you have to use 0.25g. But even stock AEGs with 280fps can use 0.25g BBs effectively, so if M324 can do close to 400fps, it should be able to use 0.3g.

Ok, I got a couple of questions.

1) Von Luck what is your favorite bb that you use in your rifle?
2) Right now I am shooting Maxi 0.3 but I am going to a game that Georgia Airsoft is sponsoring and they sell the TM 0.3 and some Maruzen 0.3 (1800 rounds) I know you said the Maruzen Super Grandmaster 0.29 was good but what about these? If the Maruzen are good I would probably want to get those because I get 1300 more bb's for the same price.

1) I like TM 0.3g best, for now. I am planning on testing SiiS 0.33g and Straight 0.36g when things get warmer.

2) I don't know anything about Maruzen 0.3g. KSC Perfect 0.3g has 2200 rounds for about the same price. I meant to get a bag of KSC, but I haven't gotten around to do it. If you get either Maruzen 0.3g or KSC 0.3g, let us know how they compare with Maxi. I would be interested to know.

Should I use the .43 on my Maruzen shooting 500 fps? I was using some .28 that I had laying around and I was getting a distanced shot at about 155 feet, yet the hop -up was adjusted higher and I can't even see the bb through the scope when I shoot. Also, whould it be wise to wash off the graphite so it doesn't mess up the hop up and barrel? What brand makes the best .43?

strange, I never really thought about the weight of the bb before...

Got any recommendations for a Tanaka A.I.C.S. at 600 fps with .2s? I need it to be biodegradable...
EDiT:
It's to use as a target rifle, not to shoot people.

This post has been edited by sachiel9051: Mar 22 2007, 11:31 AM

I haven't used 0.43g, so I'm not the one to answer your question. I just put in 170 spring, so I think I'll try 0.43g in the future though. If I can do less than 5 inches at 100 feet with 0.3g, you can tag a man with 0.28g at 155feet. But I would think that 0.28g's limit on reliable range is just about that. 150 feet. I think you can get better accuracy at long ranges by using 0.36g.

0.43g sounds a bit heavy for 500fps, but TM recommends 0.3g for their stock VSR and PSG-1. Can you imagine how that would be? It would be like shooting a howitzer. 0.3g BB making a big curved line to 100 feet. You would probably feel somewhat like that using 0.43g. But if you set your target at 150 feet, or 200 feet, you should get better results with 0.43g. So it's your preference.

Straight/Digicon makes 0.36g, and 0.43g. But frankly, I wish other companies would jump in and make them cheaper. Many people do not like graphite, I wish I could test them out using washed ones and unwashed ones, even at the risk of having to clean the internals. I'm just curious why Digicon would bother using graphite. I'm sure many Japanese airsofters would complain about it, if graphite was all bad. Also But I've been waiting for spring to test SiiS 0.33g and Straight/Digicon 0.36g. I'll test them and see how they do.





That's the problem I have. Mine doesn't shoot as fast as 600fps, but the heaviest Bio BBs I have found is only 0.25gs. Maybe the Bio BB makers thought since AEGs waste a lot of BBs, it would be better to invest in bio BBs for AEGs. Even for 400fps rifle, 0.25g is not heavy enough. If you find any heavy bio BBs, please let me know.

600fps could definately use 0.43g BBs. You would waste a lot of that muzzle energy if you don't use heavier BBs. My guess is that 0.25g could lose half the speed in 60-80 feet. If my guess is true, your rifle is as good as a 300fps rifle shot 60-80 feet closer. To get most out of your otherwise awsome rifle, you'll have to use 0.43g, which is not bio-degradable.

This post has been edited by Von Luck: Mar 22 2007, 11:31 AM

Cheers for that. I wish there was a way for me to +1 your rep :-/

The consistency of KSC .30s is really bad...

I need to try TM .30s...

Or are Straight .30s better?

Hmmm...consistency of KSC 0.3g is bad...I wonder how bad it would be.

Do you know if it's better than TM or KSC's 0.25g?

I haven't tried KSC, you haven't tried TM. I'll eventually get some KSC and test them out.

Considering how bad their 0.36g's finish is, I wouldn't think that Straight 0.3 is good.

I use ONLY KSC .3g and they are almost identical in quality to the TM .3g. Never found a deformation.

I just have some more questions on bbs that have been bothering me for some time:

1) what brand makes the best bbs

2) were would I buy .36 bbs for the cheapest price

3) Can you put a list of fps and the bb you would use with that fps

4)Have you ever heard of people coloring their bbs so that their shots arn't seen

5) Would it be good to spry silicone oil into your bag of bbs to lubericate them

I think .36 at 500 fps would be good but I was also wondering could you effectivly use heaver bbs and then use your hop-up (all the way up) to arch the bb up and give you more range and get it accurate at 250+ feet.

Thanks for the help.

1) I like TM's BBs best. a) Their surface finish is excellent on 0.3g and also 0.25g. b) Their BBs are hard, unlike Maxi 0.25g BBs which are very soft. c) As far as I know, they are the first and only company that uses "ball bearing manufacturing process." Whatever that means, it seems to work.

2) I don't know. They all seem to be about over $20 per bag of 1000 BBs.

3) Joules would be better, but it depends. I think 1.5 Joules, (400fps w/ 0.2g) can use 0.3g effectively within about 150-180 feet. For 2 Joules (460fps), 0.33g should work fine. For over 2.3 Joules, (500fps), 0.36g. For 2.8 Joules (550fps), 0.43 could work. Of course, you can use 0.12g on 2.8 Joule rifle, but why would you do that? If you don't use heaviest projectiles possible, you don't get the accuracy and range you can get.

TM 0.3g is used on 0.7 Joule stock rifles. TM's 0.3g is deadly accurate at around 20m with the stock spring. Of course 20m is only 65 feet. If 0.3g can be used on 280fps rifle, 500fps rifle can use 0.43g (might be a tad too heavy though). As you said, you have to make the rifle shoot up, and have it arch down onto your target at zeroed point. You can zero it at 150 feet or even 200 feet. Because it will shoot up, at around half point, you have to aim low. Beyond 150 or 200 zero point, you have to aim high. That's what people do with real steel rifles, there is no reason why BB shouldn't be able to do that. No gun shoots laser straight. Every projectile goes up and arches down, unless it's got wings.

4) I have heard of people using black BBs. Even if 0.43g BB is fired at 400fps, after 200 feet, it should be slowed down to about 100-200fps. At that speed, BBs can be seen easily. That could show the direction of the sniper. On top of that, at 100fps, if you see it coming at your direction about 100feet before, you can even duck. Which is why some people would prefer their BB to be black.

5) Spraying silicone oil into the bag is a no-no. At least in my experience. SiiS BBs are very oily. SiiS BBs shot directly from the bag, would go straight for about 100 feet, and it would curve sideways. But if you rub oil off, it would go straight.

That much oil doesn't seem to do any good. Also in TM manuals, it says that after spraying silicone into the barrel, shots would go all over the place for 100 rounds or so. Silicone oil is necessary in the barrel, but very small amount is needed. Spraying silicone oil into the bag is just way too much oil. TM 0.3g, 0.25g and Maruzen Super Grandmaster 0.29g BBs are bone-dry.

Is Marui still making .3s? I can't find them in stock anymore.

Ebay's ehobby Asia sells them.


Item number: 270103291958

That one's got only 30 minutes left, but I'm sure they will put it up again.

This post has been edited by Von Luck: Mar 31 2007, 01:21 PM

Thanks. I'll get some within the next few weeks and compare the groupings to KSC .3s.

I use different BB weight for different spring rating

Low FPS - .25, .3
High FPS - .36, .43

.36 & .43? Aren't those 8mm weights?

Both are 6mm BBs.

I was just wondering what color the Digicon .36/.43's are after you wash the graphite off, anyone know?

grey

ya, I think they are coated in teflon or something...

the .43gm BBs have teflon coating. I guess they havethe teflon to have smooth travel along the inner barrel

Wait, 0.43g BBs have teflon underneath the graphite coating?

I have not heard that before.

It probably means that they use rill plates to smooth out their bbs.

learn more about ball bearings here. http://www.howstuffworks.com/question513.htm

Now we know... And knowing is half the battle!

Is Strait a good brand of bb?

how do airsoft elite bbs rank? I recently got a .28 bag and they all look smooth.