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> BBKing .32g High Quality Sniper BBs, Seamless, Pittless, Perfect
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post Nov 4 2009, 06:21 PM
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Hello there fellow airsoft snipers!

I have been given the privaledge of reviewing a set of new BBs on the airsoft market by BBKing. My review sample was provided by Ben from No Limit Airsoft. Oh, I'd like to apologize for the image sizes by the way. I felt these would be the right size but alas my guestimations were wrong!




The .32g BBs are available for $9.95 a bag (decent price) for 2500 @ No Limit Airsoft's Store
This is a killer deal for the quality of these BBs.

What I will be doing is comparing the physical properties of these BBs compared to:

Super Grand Master .-. Bioval .-. Madbull .36 (not pictured) .-. Goldenball .25



Pictured above, in order from left to right: SGM .29g, Madbull .36g, Bioval .27g, BBKing .32g, Goldenball .25g


All four of these BBs will be compared with the following tests:
[*]Polish quality
[*]Seamlines/external pitting
[*]Internal pitting
[*]Softness/residue
[*]Ability to pass through a 5.98mm barrel



Pictured above, split SGM .29g BB with no pitting.

SGM BBs showed a smooth, polished -- but not slick, surface. These BBs are the whitest of white. SGM BBs do not make marks when applied to 100 grit sandpaper. The surface seems perfect from deformities with no visible flaws. Internal quality is excellent. There are ABSOLUTELY no signs of internal pitting or flaws. I would like to make note that these BBs took a good bit of force to break open, which explains why the example shown is in more than two pieces. 10 test rounds passed through my 5.98mm barrel with no issues or markings.



Pictured above, split Madbull .36g BB with prominent pitting.

Madbull BBs have a swirly surface. Madbull .36g BBs have a tealish green color that easily marks/rubs off on 100 grit sandpaper. The BBs are polished and slightly slick. There seems to be small micropitting on the external surface every now and then. Surface is seamless. Madbull BBs had the largest in diameter, deepest, internal pits out of all of the BBs. These BBs were also extremely soft and easy to split in half. 10 test rounds passed through my 5.98mm barrel with no issues except noticeable green residue on the inner barrel crowning.


The Bioval BBs are clear, perfectly spherical, and glasslike. These BBs have absolutely no air bubbles/internal pitting. Outside surface is as smooth and perfect as glass. These BBs leave no residue. Surface is seamless. These BBs are the hardest BBs I have ever used. I could not break them. You can visibly tell that Bioval BBBMAX BBs are smaller in diameter than the others. 10 test rounds passed through my 5.98mm barrel with no issues or markings.
(Note: BBs not pictured)



Pictured above, split BBKing .32g BB with no pitting.

The BBKing BBs showed a very smooth surface. There seems to be an ever so slight slickness to these BBs from the polishing process. External pitting on the BB is nonexistent with no visible seams. The BBs are very soft and split in half easily to form two almost perfect halves. There are no visible internal air bubbles/pits. These BBs leave residue after several strokes on 100 grit sandpaper. Whiteness is comparable to Goldenball BBs. 10 test rounds passed through my 5.98mm barrel with no issues except minimal white residue on the inner barrel crowning.

BBKing micrometer measurements (10 random BBs picked for measurement) thanks to suprafish:
5.941 mm
5.944 mm
5.946 mm
5.946 mm
5.939 mm
5.938 mm
5.944 mm
5.945 mm
5.946 mm
5.944 mm

Avg=5.9433 mm



Pictured above, split Goldenball .25g BB with minimal pitting.

I used the Goldenball .25g BBs sort of as a mediocre BB to show as a constant in my experiments. I do not recommend using them in high powered rifles due to their low weight.
The Goldenball BBs are very smooth and have a slickness to them. Their polish seems to be a little more than the BBKing BBs. Externally, you will notice that these BBs may have some pitting in maybe 5/20 BBs (better than Madbull). Other than that, there are no noticeable external flaws. Definitely seamless. These BBs were somewhat hard to split but not nearly as hard as SGMs. Very small pitting/air bubbles is found in these BBs. BBs leave residue after a few hard strokes on 100 grit sandpaper. 10 test rounds passed through my 5.98mm barrel with no issues except slight white residue on the inner barrel crowning.



In conclusion, I'd rate the BBKing BBs third best after Bioval and SGM. Through initial testing, I found BBKing BBs to be closer to SGM/Bioval shot consistency rather than Madbull .36g. Even though the BBKing BBs have a slightly lower shot consistency than SGM they still have one higher than Madbull BBs and also are less effected by the wind than SGMs. In a way, you could say that BBKing BBs are a decent-priced, TBB safe, BB that meets in the middle when looking for decent price, least wind resistance, and best consistency overall. I would highly recommend these BBs to any airsoft sniper looking for a good quality and cheap alternative to SGM and Bioval.

Oh, by the way, and for the record, I was making 7/10 body shots at 287' the other day using BBKing .32g BBs @ 520 FPS in 5MPH wind.
I love these things.


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post Nov 4 2009, 11:36 PM
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I still need to order some of the little buggers


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Man didn't realize Madbulls were so undar par compared to these... bummer


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post Nov 5 2009, 06:36 AM
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I know this in not about Bioval BBB MAX but anyway.

I donīt know if you have ever make tests, what Bioval Max BBīs do to your equipment.
Here ara some pictures .

http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/1104/ed...7e40aecahz2.jpg
http://hosted.thedudes.nu/seriemordarna/Temp/Ruta.jpg
10-15 m with 420 fps

http://adi.nu/cyma/IMG_1217%20%5B800x600%5D.JPG
http://adi.nu/cyma/IMG_1216%20%5B800x600%5D.JPG

BBīs are illegal in Denmark and in some partīs of Swedwn.

Here is what Bioval says about this BBīs

The vital points here are:

(1) The EU (EN Standard) and USA (ASTM ) standards and laws upon which they are based prohibit the sale and marketing of bbs that shatter upon impact.
The test parameters are very strict but enforcement is very difficult and as you can imagine very few producers respect this norm. The Bioval BBBMAX is over and above the minimum test parameters needed to achieve certification.

(2) The BBBMAX was specifically designed for use by Military and Law Enforcement (MILPOL) training centres in the US, Australia and Europe. The specifications are far superior to normal bbs and so are the ballistic properties. Breaking windshields and windows was one of the many requirements. In this respect the BBBMAX has performed to specifications.

(3) WE DO NOT RECOMMEND modifying your AEG to fire at over 1 joule. Shooting the 0.27g BBBMAX at 170m/s is extremely dangerous and WILL cause damage on your target.

(4) Please use certified full face protection. We suggest you evaluate the same full face protection used by Military and Law Enforcement agencies rated to stop shotgun blasts and other high velocity projectiles and shrapnel.

Thanks for your support in our effort to improve the standards and quality of the bb in the sport of Airsoft. It is thanks to this support that we will continue to innovate and bring to you high performance products.

Stay cool and play safe!


http://arniesairsoft.co.uk/news2/4548

http://www.red-alliance.net/forum/index.php?topic=10496.0

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post Nov 5 2009, 12:26 PM
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Everyone knows that Bioval 0.27g is great bbs by now. They were released some time ago..
I think Tux wants to give us snipers some more choices for ammo, instead of the major brands such as Madbull, Bioval, and SGMīs that most ppl use in their rifles.

Until Bioval releases their new heavy weight alternative, we just have to use whats already on the market.
By the way.. Bioval 0.27 is only forbidden on the "BERGET" event here in Sweden. a-wink.gif
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post Nov 5 2009, 12:39 PM
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QUOTE (Hobit @ Nov 5 2009, 06:36 AM) *
I know this in not about Bioval BBB MAX but anyway.

I donīt know if you have ever make tests, what Bioval Max BBīs do to your equipment.
Here ara some pictures .

http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/1104/ed...7e40aecahz2.jpg
http://hosted.thedudes.nu/seriemordarna/Temp/Ruta.jpg
10-15 m with 420 fps

http://adi.nu/cyma/IMG_1217%20%5B800x600%5D.JPG
http://adi.nu/cyma/IMG_1216%20%5B800x600%5D.JPG

BBīs are illegal in Denmark and in some partīs of Swedwn.

Here is what Bioval says about this BBīs

The vital points here are:

(1) The EU (EN Standard) and USA (ASTM ) standards and laws upon which they are based prohibit the sale and marketing of bbs that shatter upon impact.
The test parameters are very strict but enforcement is very difficult and as you can imagine very few producers respect this norm. The Bioval BBBMAX is over and above the minimum test parameters needed to achieve certification.

(2) The BBBMAX was specifically designed for use by Military and Law Enforcement (MILPOL) training centres in the US, Australia and Europe. The specifications are far superior to normal bbs and so are the ballistic properties. Breaking windshields and windows was one of the many requirements. In this respect the BBBMAX has performed to specifications.

(3) WE DO NOT RECOMMEND modifying your AEG to fire at over 1 joule. Shooting the 0.27g BBBMAX at 170m/s is extremely dangerous and WILL cause damage on your target.

(4) Please use certified full face protection. We suggest you evaluate the same full face protection used by Military and Law Enforcement agencies rated to stop shotgun blasts and other high velocity projectiles and shrapnel.

Thanks for your support in our effort to improve the standards and quality of the bb in the sport of Airsoft. It is thanks to this support that we will continue to innovate and bring to you high performance products.

Stay cool and play safe!


http://arniesairsoft.co.uk/news2/4548

http://www.red-alliance.net/forum/index.php?topic=10496.0

I'm glad Bioval made a ballistically stable BB that doesn't shatter. It's a shame that some idiot shot them at a vehicle's windows like that. I'd also like to note that you should be willing to take such risks to your equipment when you put it into a live scenario with projectiles travelling at ~400 FPS. Oh and one more thing, those windows did not have the protective/stabilizing coating that most US vehicle windshields have. You know, the stuff that keeps the window from completely shattering.

Did you know that standard BBs shatter ACM plastic on gear, guns, etc? Maybe we should ban them too.
Did you also know that standard BBs have been known to knock out teeth and break skin within 30' @ under 400 FPS. Maybe we should ban them too.
Did you know that most standard BBs shatter on impact? Uh-oh, that's actually illegal!

I guess we should jsut quit airsoft alltogether if we don't want to deal with risks.


But ANYWAYS... this topic wasn't about Biovals in the first place...


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post Nov 21 2009, 02:50 AM
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Updated info.


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*shakes fist at Tux again*

With tolerances like that, I have to try these out now. Fun fact, when you measure 10 BBs once each, usually you get 10 values, not 11. a-wink.gif

While my measuring methods are different, I personally think having a larger sample size does potentially paint a different picture than just a single measurement on each BB, especially for relatively small sample sizes like 11. To compare directly, though I just took basically the first 11 measurements in my spreadsheets of micrometer measurements that I've gotten from what I consider my top 4 BBs that I've measured, and suprafish's results would place BB Kings as #2 overall, ahead of both Maruzen and SGM. I've actually found that SGMs have great roundness, but there have been like 3 distinct sizes in the packet I have, and there are noticeably "large" amounts of each. There wasn't so much of a spread as there were discrete sizes. It was kind of strange.

I had something typed up about different sorts of analyses of larger quantities of measurements versus smaller samples, but no one really cares about that stuff anyway. Anyway, I probably overanalyze the numbers too much, but it's really just that I don't have a place to shoot much to really compare actual performance to measured data. So, until I have a long shooting range at my disposal that is not in public view, I can't really do anything else.
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QUOTE (yee245 @ Nov 21 2009, 06:13 AM) *
Fun fact, when you measure 10 BBs once each, usually you get 10 values, not 11. a-wink.gif


Ha, oh well that one's on me. Might want to change that Tux.


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why can't anyone make any high grade 0.43g bbs or heavier? 0.29 (SGM) is WAY too light weighted, and 0.4g (madbull) is slightly too light weighted and to soft :S:S
I would like to see some 0.5g bbs.... Imagine what an improvement in accuracy and consistency this would give :D

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BBking and Goldenball that my friend tested in here, no work with Midcaps :( they wont feed/misfeed like crazy) both normal and Bio BBs otherwise they are bang for the buck
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post Nov 21 2009, 02:19 PM
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That's an equipment problem, not a BB problem.

By the way, I use 10 rounds for my testing because 10 rounds are what I have used consistently for all parts of my review.
Also, I apologize for the number problem. It was 2:50 AM and I just copy/pasted what supra sent me without thinking twice about it.

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QUOTE (frontiers @ Nov 21 2009, 09:00 AM) *
BBking and Goldenball that my friend tested in here, no work with Midcaps :( they wont feed/misfeed like crazy) both normal and Bio BBs otherwise they are bang for the buck



Yeah, I ahve used goldenball and BBking in my midcaps and they work fine.
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