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Nov 1 2009, 08:24 PM
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![]() ASF Citizen Group: Elite Posts: 4,250 Joined: 25-November 07 From: wouldn'tuliketoknow Member No.: 34,499 Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Stealthmaster14 |
I’d like to start off by thanking Ben at No Limit Airsoft (No Limit Airsoft) for providing me with a bag off BB King .25 Biodegradable bbs! Here is the BB King website-BB King website
Real steel history- Uh…China made gun powder, Japan created airsoft. Nuff said? Now onto the review. These bbs won’t be making you sing the blues. ;) (Yes.....B.B. King pun lol) Quote from the BB King website, QUOTE Chonggao seal products Material Co., Ltd. has been the professional manufacturer and supplier of plastic ball in China from 2002 , The products contain,0.12g BB,0.25g BB,0.28g BB,0.30g BB,0.32g BB,6mm BB,0.2g BB,BB bullet etc. In addition, To satisfy clients’ specific requirements, we dedicated to innovate and develop advanced products and services. Besides, requests for custom-made balls of all kinds of materials, sizes and tolerances are welcome. Those who are interested in our plastic balls, please contact us right away. MISSION At Chonggao , we are committed to provide you the high quality products and top service. New product enquiries are always welcome. We enjoy exploring new materials and procedures in order to help you stay ahead of the competition. We do realize that We realize when you are successful, we are successful. OUR TEAM Chonggao has an excellent management team and a energetic worker team. Our staff is experienced, sincere, fresh and energetic. In order to offer high quality products, they dedicate their whole passion and enthusiasm. Shipping- ![]() Box ![]() Packing was excellent; bag was in perfect condition, no rips or tears. The bag was even wrapped with bubble wrap. ![]() Packing also featured a nice layer of bubble wrap for the bbs to rest on. Other companies usually just put them in a box. Bbs were shipped via Fedex and arrived quickly. Props to No Limit. BBs- ![]() Here is the bag off bbs. It contains 4000 pieces of white plastic fury. :D The construction of the bag is very nice and durable, I won’t have to worry about it ripping or tearing. The bag states, QUOTE BB King 5.95 +/-0.01mm High Precision Biodegradable bb. Airsoft Biodegradable BBs 6mm, white high precision and high polished. Use for Airsoft. Bbs are made from biodegradable raw material BBs decompose when exposed to moisture and heat. ![]() I cracked four bbs in half to see if they contained any air bubbles and I’m happy to announce that there are none. The weight should be very consistent due to the lack of internal air bubbles. Since the hop of the bbs is consistent, I would assume the weight is as well. One thing I did not like, however, is that the bbs were split in half easily. Thinking that it might bio bbs are weaker, I tried splitting two TSD .26 bios open. It took a lot more force to crack the TSDs open. ![]() ![]() More pictures of the split bbs. ![]() One thing I noticed while examining the bbs is that the majority of the bbs had some kind of external imperfection. As shown in this image, there is an “indent.” To be fair, my TSD .26s have injection nipples and indented rings around them, so it might just be that bios are harder to make. Ben at No Limit has examined his BB King bbs as well (non bio .2s and .25s, as well as the bio .25s), his also have these imperfections. Maruipro and Dr. Duck from ASF also have found these imperfections. The imperfections do not seem to affect performance though, they shoot very well. More on that later. ![]() As stated on the bag, these bbs are highly polished. They are very slick to touch. Most people seem to think that polished bbs are good for your gun. In my experience, all the polish does is reduce friction on the hop up bucking (not a good thing) and dirties up your barrel faster. This is why I wash my bbs. I can’t blame BB King for polishing their bbs because almost every high quality bb manufacturer does this process as well. Performance- These bbs are very consistent and give great groupings. I would say they shoot better than my G&G .25s (non-bio), KSC .25s (non-bio), and TSD .26s (bio). Keep in mind that bbs will perform differently in different set ups. Some bbs will shoot great in stock barrels, but poorly in tightbores. The BB King bbs seem to shoot well in both my stock SRC barrel and my Edgi 6.01mm tightbore. I have shot roughly 1000 rounds of the BB King bbs through my Edgi 6.01mm 363mm barrel and had no jamming or any other issues. Accuracy is fantastic. 6.01mm barrels are usually the tightest you will find in AEGs (on average), so yes, they work fine in tightbores. After 400 rounds through my stock SRC barrel, (not sure of the diameter, it looks like a 6.05mm barrel to me, just a guesstimate though) I examined it for sludge build up. While there was a decent amount, there was not as much as I expected. They definitely do not leave as much sludge as Goldenball bbs do; I’d say the sludge build up is about average. My Edgi barrel seems to remain fairly clean after a few hundred rounds as well. Very impressive. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOKytG2KmQA Shooting test Set up- SRC G36K with: JG gearbox shell Deans connectors Modified CA hop up unit Edgi 6.01mm barrel Black “Shark Fin” Madbull bucking (torn) SCS Guarder ball bearing spring guide Guarder SP110 spring G&P explosive piston head Corrected AOE Element standard ratio gearset Element sector clip E1 spur gear #14 O ring JG air nozzle SRC Type 0 cylinder (stock cylinder) Teflon taped JG cylinder head with extra padding Regreased/reshimmed with G&P shims. Target-22" by 14" poster board Distance-Roughly 150 feet BBs-Biodegradable BB King .25s I was using a chair to support myself, but I'm still pretty shaky..... It might appear that the bbs are crappy due to the results. However, this is not the case. It is definitely my weapon, nature, and my poor aim. While shooting on a calmer day with my set up near perfect (as good as I can get it), the bbs were shooting much more accurately. While looking through my scope, the bbs were flying in a tight group, but when they reached the target’s area, they spread out a great deal, leaving me to believe wind or another factor is affecting the bbs. The wind always seems to be stronger by the tree. (probably because there isn’t much to shield it) I’ve also heard of thermal updrafts affecting accuracy and it is definitely warmer by the target. Possible errors for the results: silicone grease in the bucking, slightly ripped bucking, the bucking itself (it’s the black sharkfin madbull one…..), wind, thermal updrafts (?), my aim (or lack of), and scope is not sighted. (G36K scopes for ya…) I was not aiming in the same spot everytime. I was compensating for wind and my scope. (which partially explains the erratic groupings) That being said, these bbs seem to perform better than my non-bio G&G .25s, which is consistent with Maruipro and Dr. Duck’s results. I would have done a G&G .25 test, but I ran out of them. I’ve always had some accuracy issues with my G36K, so do not get the idea that these are poorly made bbs. My G&G bbs were shooting worse the day of the test. Long story short-Biodegradable BB King .25 bbs perform excellently, other factors are to blame. Closing comments- I was pleasantly surprised at how well these bbs perform. Groupings are noticeably tighter and the fps is a bit higher compared to the G&G .25s. Range might be a tad superior as well. External quality leaves a little bit to be desired, but I haven’t noticed any issues with the imperfections. (my barrel isn’t getting scratched or anything) They run smoothly in tightbores, feed great, and overall just perform excellently. I highly recommend No Limit Airsoft and the Biodegradable BB King bbs. Thanks again Ben! This post has been edited by hydralover: Nov 9 2009, 02:39 AM -------------------- ![]() Franken G36K-JG upper and lower receiver, SRC handguard, stock and scope. Systema bucking, SCS, Deans, JG air nozzle, cylinder head, spur gear, and gearbox shell. CA hop up unit, Guarder spring guide, Guarder SP110 spring, Element clear piston, Element bearing piston head, Element low resistance wiring, #14 O ring, AOE adjusted, and a G&P M120 motor. |
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Nov 1 2009, 10:47 PM
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![]() ASF Citizen Group: Member Posts: 2,328 Joined: 16-September 08 From: Diamond Bar, CA Member No.: 43,372 Trader Rating: 5 (100%) Add Feedback for maruipro |
Lol, nice review man.
I didnt think to split some BBs in half to check for air bubbles. Nice job. -------------------- Herrozz!
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Nov 1 2009, 10:48 PM
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![]() ASF Citizen Group: Elite Posts: 4,250 Joined: 25-November 07 From: wouldn'tuliketoknow Member No.: 34,499 Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Stealthmaster14 |
Lol, nice review man. I didnt think to split some BBs in half to check for air bubbles. Nice job. :D ty lol you too. I hope you don't mind me "quoting" you? Probably should have asked...I can still edit that out. lol Like my B.B King pun? :) This post has been edited by Stealthmaster14: Nov 1 2009, 10:52 PM -------------------- ![]() Franken G36K-JG upper and lower receiver, SRC handguard, stock and scope. Systema bucking, SCS, Deans, JG air nozzle, cylinder head, spur gear, and gearbox shell. CA hop up unit, Guarder spring guide, Guarder SP110 spring, Element clear piston, Element bearing piston head, Element low resistance wiring, #14 O ring, AOE adjusted, and a G&P M120 motor. |
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Nov 1 2009, 10:49 PM
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![]() ASF Citizen Group: Member Posts: 2,328 Joined: 16-September 08 From: Diamond Bar, CA Member No.: 43,372 Trader Rating: 5 (100%) Add Feedback for maruipro |
:D ty lol you too. I hope you don't mind me "quoting" you? Probably should have asked...I can still edit that out. lol Lol, its cool man. -------------------- Herrozz!
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Nov 1 2009, 11:36 PM
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![]() ASF Citizen ![]() Group: Authorized Seller Elite Posts: 428 Joined: 18-September 08 From: Southern California/Walnut Member No.: 43,446 Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Dr.Duck |
Nice review.
Its good that we have multiple reviews to reinforce eachother. lol -------------------- drduck770- find me on Steam
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Nov 1 2009, 11:49 PM
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![]() ASF Citizen Group: Elite Posts: 4,250 Joined: 25-November 07 From: wouldn'tuliketoknow Member No.: 34,499 Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Stealthmaster14 |
Nice review. Its good that we have multiple reviews to reinforce eachother. lol ha ha yeah good point. -------------------- ![]() Franken G36K-JG upper and lower receiver, SRC handguard, stock and scope. Systema bucking, SCS, Deans, JG air nozzle, cylinder head, spur gear, and gearbox shell. CA hop up unit, Guarder spring guide, Guarder SP110 spring, Element clear piston, Element bearing piston head, Element low resistance wiring, #14 O ring, AOE adjusted, and a G&P M120 motor. |
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Nov 3 2009, 08:38 PM
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![]() ASF Citizen ![]() Group: Authorized Seller Free Posts: 432 Joined: 5-March 08 From: Menifee, California Member No.: 37,103 SOA Name: Brad T. Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for sniperelite7 |
Yup just got my bag from Ben. .32s...Split em open. No airbubbles, Very impressed. Now I need to do accuracy tests :P but I have high hopes, Even the Golden Ball brand had airbubbles.
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Nov 3 2009, 10:39 PM
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![]() ASF Citizen Group: Elite Posts: 4,250 Joined: 25-November 07 From: wouldn'tuliketoknow Member No.: 34,499 Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Stealthmaster14 |
Yup just got my bag from Ben. .32s...Split em open. No airbubbles, Very impressed. Now I need to do accuracy tests :P but I have high hopes, Even the Golden Ball brand had airbubbles. Really? A review on ASR showed they had no air bubbles. I don't think mine did either. -------------------- ![]() Franken G36K-JG upper and lower receiver, SRC handguard, stock and scope. Systema bucking, SCS, Deans, JG air nozzle, cylinder head, spur gear, and gearbox shell. CA hop up unit, Guarder spring guide, Guarder SP110 spring, Element clear piston, Element bearing piston head, Element low resistance wiring, #14 O ring, AOE adjusted, and a G&P M120 motor. |
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Nov 4 2009, 01:03 AM
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![]() ASF Citizen ![]() Group: Authorized Seller Free Posts: 432 Joined: 5-March 08 From: Menifee, California Member No.: 37,103 SOA Name: Brad T. Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for sniperelite7 |
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Nov 4 2009, 02:06 AM
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![]() . . I see you . . Group: Moderator Level 2 Posts: 8,133 Joined: 14-June 06 From: Yorba Linda/USC Member No.: 21,602 Trader Rating: 23 (100%) Add Feedback for hydralover |
Good. I have one comment.
Because of this, I don’t think these bbs should be used for CQB or for those with mesh masks because they could fragment into someone’s eyes (mesh mask) or could pierce skin (not likely, but possible). You should NEVER use mesh masks. ALL BBs shatter, not just Bios. Mesh masks are inherently dangerous. Piercing skin... won't happen at reasonable FPS. Not a problem. -------------------- ![]() Everything you need to know about the JG AUG, G&G Combat Machine, KWA M11 NS2, KWA SR12, and KWA 1911 MKII PTP |
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Nov 4 2009, 02:47 AM
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![]() ASF Citizen Group: Elite Posts: 4,250 Joined: 25-November 07 From: wouldn'tuliketoknow Member No.: 34,499 Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Stealthmaster14 |
Good. I have one comment. You should NEVER use mesh masks. ALL BBs shatter, not just Bios. Mesh masks are inherently dangerous. Piercing skin... won't happen at reasonable FPS. Not a problem. I would NEVER use one, but some people do, so I thought I would include it. I just noticed these bbs break fairly easily. Most bbs take a lot of force for my wire cutters to cut through them. These took little force at all. If you wouldn't mind editing out the piercing skin part, that would be great. Those where the proline brand I think. Because the BBs I had where golden ball .30s. The had airbubbles... Proline brand? You mean the +/-0.1mm kind? Mine were the +/-0.2mms from Pointact.com. There were some fake GBs floating around for a bit. Weird. This post has been edited by Stealthmaster14: Nov 4 2009, 02:54 AM -------------------- ![]() Franken G36K-JG upper and lower receiver, SRC handguard, stock and scope. Systema bucking, SCS, Deans, JG air nozzle, cylinder head, spur gear, and gearbox shell. CA hop up unit, Guarder spring guide, Guarder SP110 spring, Element clear piston, Element bearing piston head, Element low resistance wiring, #14 O ring, AOE adjusted, and a G&P M120 motor. |
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Nov 5 2009, 02:15 AM
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![]() "Budget = Cheap = Crap = Breaks = Waste = $$$ ![]() Group: Authorized Seller Paid Posts: 5,027 Joined: 15-June 09 From: Woodland Hills, CA Member No.: 49,345 Trader Rating: 18 (100%) Add Feedback for The Vainguard |
I tried breaking them the day I got them too. They were surprisingly easy to break open, however this does not seem to affect how easily they break upon impact or affect performance.
This post has been edited by The Vainguard: Nov 5 2009, 02:15 AM -------------------- Official 2011 Picture Thread Mehkakakaka, and I was the one who had that conversation with MARSOCdoc. QUOTE (MARSOCdoc @ Jan 14 2010, 05:15 PM) please don't spread rumors that im poor and eat cat food. I eat it cuz its delicious, not cuz its cheap. QUOTE (Night Striker @ Feb 17 2010, 09:02 PM) u describe a p90 the same way a fat man describes a chocolate cake |
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Nov 5 2009, 02:19 AM
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![]() ASF's Premier Nubologist and POR'ing Ruski Geardo Group: Member Posts: 5,887 Joined: 7-June 08 From: North Bay Area, CA Member No.: 40,316 SOA Name: Kavurcen Trader Rating: 4 (100%) Add Feedback for Kavurcen |
I noticed that too.
My batch doesn't have injection nipples, though... This post has been edited by hydralover: Nov 9 2009, 02:44 AM -------------------- |
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Nov 5 2009, 07:21 PM
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![]() "Budget = Cheap = Crap = Breaks = Waste = $$$ ![]() Group: Authorized Seller Paid Posts: 5,027 Joined: 15-June 09 From: Woodland Hills, CA Member No.: 49,345 Trader Rating: 18 (100%) Add Feedback for The Vainguard |
Which did you have, I have .23 non bio, and they do not have injection nipples, rather little mounds. Only a few however.
This post has been edited by The Vainguard: Nov 5 2009, 07:39 PM -------------------- Official 2011 Picture Thread Mehkakakaka, and I was the one who had that conversation with MARSOCdoc. QUOTE (MARSOCdoc @ Jan 14 2010, 05:15 PM) please don't spread rumors that im poor and eat cat food. I eat it cuz its delicious, not cuz its cheap. QUOTE (Night Striker @ Feb 17 2010, 09:02 PM) u describe a p90 the same way a fat man describes a chocolate cake |
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Nov 5 2009, 07:33 PM
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![]() ASF Citizen Group: Elite Posts: 4,250 Joined: 25-November 07 From: wouldn'tuliketoknow Member No.: 34,499 Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Stealthmaster14 |
I'm going to redo the shooting test. Got my set up done much better now. Who would have thunk a JG hop up unit would fix my problems?.......ha ha
This post has been edited by Stealthmaster14: Nov 5 2009, 07:40 PM -------------------- ![]() Franken G36K-JG upper and lower receiver, SRC handguard, stock and scope. Systema bucking, SCS, Deans, JG air nozzle, cylinder head, spur gear, and gearbox shell. CA hop up unit, Guarder spring guide, Guarder SP110 spring, Element clear piston, Element bearing piston head, Element low resistance wiring, #14 O ring, AOE adjusted, and a G&P M120 motor. |
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Nov 7 2009, 12:06 AM
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![]() ASF Citizen Group: Member Posts: 263 Joined: 11-April 09 From: Southern California Member No.: 47,641 Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for EyeCon |
Good review stealth..I see you took some time to do this one, nice and thorough. I can't wait to try them out now. Im glad BBking makes .30 and .32 I needed an alternitive thats local and available to me.. Thanks to ben I'll have to hit him up when I need some.
150 feet is perfect by the way thats my average range to target in the feilds I play in. -------------------- -
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Nov 7 2009, 12:09 AM
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![]() ASF Citizen Group: Elite Posts: 4,250 Joined: 25-November 07 From: wouldn'tuliketoknow Member No.: 34,499 Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Stealthmaster14 |
Good review stealth..I see you took some time to do this one, nice and thorough. I can't wait to try them out now. Im glad BBking makes .30 and .32 I needed an alternitive thats local and available to me.. Thanks to ben I'll have to hit him up when I need some. 150 feet is perfect by the way thats my average range to target in the feilds I play in. Thanks :) I definitely need to redo the test. In the video, my gun was barely pushing 150 feet effectively. After switching to my JG chamber and JG bucking (SCS is now level), 200 feet is about my effective range. :O I am hoping to make the video tomorrow or Sunday. 180 feet is usually the farthest you will be engaging at in my experience. Past then, it's often better not to shoot because it gives your position away and wind and what not can throw them off. -------------------- ![]() Franken G36K-JG upper and lower receiver, SRC handguard, stock and scope. Systema bucking, SCS, Deans, JG air nozzle, cylinder head, spur gear, and gearbox shell. CA hop up unit, Guarder spring guide, Guarder SP110 spring, Element clear piston, Element bearing piston head, Element low resistance wiring, #14 O ring, AOE adjusted, and a G&P M120 motor. |
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Nov 7 2009, 12:12 AM
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![]() ASF's Premier Nubologist and POR'ing Ruski Geardo Group: Member Posts: 5,887 Joined: 7-June 08 From: North Bay Area, CA Member No.: 40,316 SOA Name: Kavurcen Trader Rating: 4 (100%) Add Feedback for Kavurcen |
I have .25g regulars and they don't have nipples, but they do have weird dark marks, as if they had bumps but QC polished them off.
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Nov 7 2009, 12:39 AM
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![]() ASF Citizen Group: Elite Posts: 4,250 Joined: 25-November 07 From: wouldn'tuliketoknow Member No.: 34,499 Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Stealthmaster14 |
I have .25g regulars and they don't have nipples, but they do have weird dark marks, as if they had bumps but QC polished them off. Mine don't have nipples from what I can tell either, they have that weird hole as shown in the picture above. It's almost like a "chip." Haven't had any problems though, these bbs shoot straight. :) -------------------- ![]() Franken G36K-JG upper and lower receiver, SRC handguard, stock and scope. Systema bucking, SCS, Deans, JG air nozzle, cylinder head, spur gear, and gearbox shell. CA hop up unit, Guarder spring guide, Guarder SP110 spring, Element clear piston, Element bearing piston head, Element low resistance wiring, #14 O ring, AOE adjusted, and a G&P M120 motor. |
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Nov 7 2009, 12:40 AM
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![]() "Budget = Cheap = Crap = Breaks = Waste = $$$ ![]() Group: Authorized Seller Paid Posts: 5,027 Joined: 15-June 09 From: Woodland Hills, CA Member No.: 49,345 Trader Rating: 18 (100%) Add Feedback for The Vainguard |
I have .25g regulars and they don't have nipples, but they do have weird dark marks, as if they had bumps but QC polished them off. Yeah I have noticed on my batch they had some weird marks as well. Mine don't have nipples from what I can tell either, they have that weird hole as shown in the picture above. It's almost like a "chip." Haven't had any problems though, these bbs shoot straight. :) These BB's are magical in the KWA MP7 -------------------- Official 2011 Picture Thread Mehkakakaka, and I was the one who had that conversation with MARSOCdoc. QUOTE (MARSOCdoc @ Jan 14 2010, 05:15 PM) please don't spread rumors that im poor and eat cat food. I eat it cuz its delicious, not cuz its cheap. QUOTE (Night Striker @ Feb 17 2010, 09:02 PM) u describe a p90 the same way a fat man describes a chocolate cake |
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Nov 7 2009, 05:11 PM
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![]() ASF Citizen Group: Elite Posts: 4,250 Joined: 25-November 07 From: wouldn'tuliketoknow Member No.: 34,499 Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Stealthmaster14 |
Sometimes I think my gun hates the camera..... I sometimes think it shoots better at 170 feet than it does 150 ha ha.
Here's the video I promised. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeH43OCQIoU Shooting test Results http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxemxmwEFJ0 -------------------- ![]() Franken G36K-JG upper and lower receiver, SRC handguard, stock and scope. Systema bucking, SCS, Deans, JG air nozzle, cylinder head, spur gear, and gearbox shell. CA hop up unit, Guarder spring guide, Guarder SP110 spring, Element clear piston, Element bearing piston head, Element low resistance wiring, #14 O ring, AOE adjusted, and a G&P M120 motor. |
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