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post Aug 20 2007, 11:19 PM
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I'm tired of paying ridiculously high price for airsoft branded silicone oil. I went to the usual hardware store and found a can of CRC Industrial Food Grade Silicone spray ($3.99 for 10 oz can). Naturally you would assume it's good for rubber and plastic since alot of restaurants and homes use this product for meat cutters and other food machines. If you can eat it, it sure as hell won't mess up your rubber or plastic parts. I'm putting it to the test.



Product contents:
Isohexane - refer to hexane

N-Hexane -
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Hexane is an alkane hydrocarbon with the chemical formula CH3(CH2)4CH3. The "hex" prefix refers to its six carbons, while the "ane" ending indicates that its carbons are connected by single bonds. Hexane isomers are largely unreactive, and are frequently used as an inert solvent in organic reactions because they are very non-polar. They are also common constituents of gasoline and glues used for shoes, leather products and roofing. Additionally, it is used in solvents to extract oils for cooking and as a cleansing agent for shoe, furniture and textile manufacturing.
- must be safe on rubber right since it's used on shoes???

Dimethyl polysiloxane - Basically the silicone lube.

Propane - This is pretty much green gas and I'm sure you use it in your GBB.

N-Butane - I have a 4 year-old camping stove that uses butane, and there is a rubber seal on the valve.

Isobutane - pretty much the same as N-butane.

Yes, this stuff is flammable, but what can under pressure isn't? Even those high priced little airsoft 100% bla bla bla silicone spray cans sold at airsoft stores are flammable.

My 1st test consist of:

1 - AE BBs
2 - Bio BBs
3 - Systema piston o-ring - When paired with my CA piston/head, I got PERFECT compression with this new O-ring. If after 7 days I don't get that perfect compression again, obviously this test will fail and this CRC bottle will be discarded.
4 - TM piston head - Also gave me good compression using the O-ring above. Will test again after 7 days
5 - Servo Arm from my RC car - It's flexible plastic and seems a bit weak. If this can stand it, I'm sure other harder plastic can too.
6 - TM Hop up sleeve

I put all these items in a plastic bag and will soak them up in CRC food grade silicone lube. I'm going to leave it for a total 7 days starting tonight.




If the first test pass, my 2nd test:

I'm going to lube the living crap out of my echo G36c (upgraded) and shoot it a few weeks later. I will post before and after range, accuracy, etc.

Anyone here tried this stuff yet? What do you guys think? Anything else I should test to confirm that it's safe for airsoft use?

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CRC® Food Grade Silicone
Multipurpose silicone spray for food processing and handling applications. Forms a colorless, odorless, nonstaining film that lubricates and protects. Harmless to most rubbers and plastics.

Applications-Food processing & handling equipment, chutes, guides, rails, conveyors, bottling machinery, slicers, ovens, freezers, knives, saws, coin mechanisms, linkages, locks, pulleys, timers, rubber seals, tools, vending machines and ceramic insulators


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don't use like silicon oil like from the automotive department.luckily I only used it on airstike bbs to maybe lube them


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QUOTE (airsofter27 @ Aug 21 2007, 03:03 PM) *
don't use like silicon oil like from the automotive department.luckily I only used it on airstike bbs to maybe lube them


You can't use anything with petroleum distillate or heptane. The CRC food silicone is suppose to be environmentally safe and ok to use on food machines.
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I talked to one of the mods. He said that he's tested several different brands, and that crc was one that he trusted the least. But he said that he personally uses a brand called 3m.


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QUOTE (bat21win @ Aug 21 2007, 05:26 PM) *
I talked to one of the mods. He said that he's tested several different brands, and that crc was one that he trusted the least. But he said that he personally uses a brand called 3m.


Can't find any 3m food grade silicone oil anywhere.
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post Aug 21 2007, 08:30 PM
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QUOTE (duoS2k @ Aug 21 2007, 08:22 PM) *
Can't find any 3m food grade silicone oil anywhere.

I'll do some searching. All I'm sayin is, even if the test comes back that it's bad for guns, that doesn't mean that all of the stuff you can buy is.

Heck, I have a bottle of Dupont Teflon Silicon lube on my desk. I used it on my Echo1 m4 for like 2 months with not problems. I had a super cheap bottle from walmart that I used on my cyma ak for at least a year with no problems.

I'm trying to find some various o-rings that I can test some different sprays on.

QUOTE (duoS2k @ Aug 21 2007, 08:22 PM) *
Can't find any 3m food grade silicone oil anywhere.

I'll do some searching. All I'm sayin is, even if the test comes back that it's bad for guns, that doesn't mean that all of the stuff you can buy is.

Heck, I have a bottle of Dupont Teflon Silicon lube on my desk. I used it on my Echo1 m4 for like 2 months with not problems. I had a super cheap bottle from walmart that I used on my cyma ak for at least a year with no problems.

I'm trying to find some various o-rings that I can test some different sprays on.

Good job taking the initiative duoS2k, I'll be reporting on the dupont as soon as I can find some o-rings and test it.

Anybody else gonna do a test?


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That would have been me that Bat21Win asked about silicone.

I didn't try the food grade CRC product, only the regular (I.e. red label) CRC silicone.

The 3M product I use isn't food grade.

Actually, solderseal/gunk was the worst.

Keep us posted on the food grade product.

FWIW, I use CRC spray white lithium for gearbox lube. It works well.


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post Aug 22 2007, 07:43 AM
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QUOTE (Paisley Pirate @ Aug 22 2007, 12:10 AM) *
That would have been me that Bat21Win asked about silicone.

I didn't try the food grade CRC product, only the regular (I.e. red label) CRC silicone.

The 3M product I use isn't food grade.

Actually, solderseal/gunk was the worst.

Keep us posted on the food grade product.

FWIW, I use CRC spray white lithium for gearbox lube. It works well.

Lol, I figured that if I mentioned your name, and you didn't post, you'd probably get like 30 different pm's about it.


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UPDATE:

It's been soaked for over 48 hours and everything is still PERFECT. Even the Bio BBs are still nice and shiny without any deforming. I think this is as safe as it gets.

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I picked up a can of "Pure Silicone" from ACE hardware. 11oz for $3.99 (or was it $4.99?). It was branded by ACE and the label said "Pure Silicone", but did not list all ingredients. It also did not specifically mention rubber/plastic safe on the label. The warning label mentioned some generic terms, but no actual ingredient list:

keytones, hexane, and one other that slips my mind

Keytones I believe are safe as nail polish comes in two flavors - acetone and keytone based. The keytone based is used for acrylic nails as acetone can make them brittle (ie harm the plastic).

I'm going to try lubing with this stuff for 3mo and see what happens.

In the past I've used spray (pyroil brand silicone) that specifically listed Heptane as an ingradient and didn't see any ill effect after sitting in my replica for a week. I sprayed a lot of it too into the bb feed hole and put enough on the cloth to really get the hop up nice and wet.
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QUOTE (duoS2k @ Aug 23 2007, 08:11 PM) *
UPDATE:

It's been soaked for over 48 hours and everything is still PERFECT. Even the Bio BBs are still nice and shiny without any deforming. I think this is as safe as it gets.

I agree with kozy, too early to tell for sure.


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QUOTE (bat21win @ Aug 24 2007, 09:00 AM) *
I agree with kozy, too early to tell for sure.


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Did you guys missed the BIG capital letters "update?" I didn't say anything about conclusions? It's still soaking! "this is as good as it gets" = a big PLUS so far. a-thumbsup.gif

I got it for 3.99 at ACE hardware in HB, CA. The tag does say 4.99 so it was marked off.

BTW, I took out the o-ring to do a quick compression test. It's still perfect. Also, if you guys come across Clearco food grade silicone (2 types)....1 of them is 100% silicone with no propellents or other additive gases. On the label the only ingrediant is silicone, that's it. If you guys find this stuff, post where you got it because I have no luck so far.

QUOTE (Deeno @ Aug 24 2007, 08:55 AM) *
I picked up a can of "Pure Silicone" from ACE hardware. 11oz for $3.99 (or was it $4.99?). It was branded by ACE and the label said "Pure Silicone", but did not list all ingredients. It also did not specifically mention rubber/plastic safe on the label. The warning label mentioned some generic terms, but no actual ingredient list:

keytones, hexane, and one other that slips my mind

Keytones I believe are safe as nail polish comes in two flavors - acetone and keytone based. The keytone based is used for acrylic nails as acetone can make them brittle (ie harm the plastic).

I'm going to try lubing with this stuff for 3mo and see what happens.

In the past I've used spray (pyroil brand silicone) that specifically listed Heptane as an ingradient and didn't see any ill effect after sitting in my replica for a week. I sprayed a lot of it too into the bb feed hole and put enough on the cloth to really get the hop up nice and wet.


Isn't keytone another form of petroleum? I have a bottle of this stuff too, I'll try it out after I do the food grade.
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QUOTE (Kozy @ Aug 24 2007, 07:05 PM) *
I have Permatex Silicone spray lubricant. It says its safe for plastics and rubber, yet it says it contains petroleum....


That's because there are other ingredients to neutralize the petroleum. I remember using all kinds of greases/oils with petroleum in RC cars/planes with no ill effects; but since I entered the airsoft world, alot of paranoia around which made me a little paranoid too. I used auto brake cleaner and engine degreaser to spray down my entire nitro car after a race day (very greasy/oily). It did the job much better than anything at the hobby store AND cost less.

Another UPDATE:

I started spraying some of this stuff in my test mole, the echo 1 G36c, to lube the hop/barrel. It recently chronoed 335-340 consistently before this lube. Let's see what it does in a few weeks.
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QUOTE (duoS2k @ Aug 25 2007, 04:29 AM) *
That's because there are other ingredients to neutralize the petroleum. I remember using all kinds of greases/oils with petroleum in RC cars/planes with no ill effects; but since I entered the airsoft world, alot of paranoia around which made me a little paranoid too. I used auto brake cleaner and engine degreaser to spray down my entire nitro car after a race day (very greasy/oily). It did the job much better than anything at the hobby store AND cost less.

Another UPDATE:

I started spraying some of this stuff in my test mole, the echo 1 G36c, to lube the hop/barrel. It recently chronoed 335-340 consistently before this lube. Let's see what it does in a few weeks.

That's exactly what it is. People have become so paranoid about it, that you can't find any real answers. I'm sure that there are some kinds that are bad for your gun, but you can't figure out which ones those are b/c they group everything the same.


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QUOTE (Kozy @ Aug 25 2007, 11:56 AM) *
Wait, so it neturalizes the Pertroleum making the Petroleum not there? So this could actually be safe for my guns?


It's still there, but there are other solvents to dilute it making it rubber safe.
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QUOTE (Kozy @ Aug 26 2007, 10:04 AM) *
So its safe for airsoft guns? Because I put a couple of drops of this stuff in a cup adn put in two bbs, both of the polish was taking off in a matter of an hour


Polish on BBs are made of different compound than rubber. I'm sure you won't find any of that compound in your airsoft gun. I haven't tested the Ace pure silicone on rubber yet, so try it out on rubber and let us know. If you're concern about it, get the food grade and it'll work fine. I also put some of the food grade silicone to lube my GBB mag...no leaks so far and its been over 4 days. This stuff seems to work wonderfully, and even their website says "harmless to rubber and plastic." So far no ill effects on the echo1 either.
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QUOTE (Kozy @ Aug 27 2007, 11:02 AM) *
I mise as well, It says safe for rubber and plastic. So It must be.

You'd hope so anyway.


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QUOTE (duoS2k @ Aug 21 2007, 12:19 AM) *
If you can eat it, it sure as hell won't mess up your rubber or plastic parts. I'm putting it to the test.


lol, it says right there on the can, DANGER: "harmful or fatal if swallowed"!!! a-laugh.gif


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Here's my update. I tried the ACE brand "Pure Silicone". I will take pics of the can tonight so you all know what to avoid. Within 30 seconds the BB's were literally melting in the ziplock bag. At the 1 minute mark all 5 bb's were fused together somwhat. This stuff smells strong like WD-40, not "sweet" smelling like other spray silicones. Ironically the o-ring and plastic ziplock bag seem to be doing just fine without any noticble warpage/brittleness/seperation/out of round/etc. I checked on it in the morning and most of the liquid has vanished and the BB's didn't really melt more than they had at around 2-3 minutes. With the speed they were melting I thought I'd have a white puddle by morning a-cool.gif I can no longer seperate the fused BB's and they are very hard again like normal. Perhaps all of the petroleum propellant had evaporated through the bag ( I did double check and the ziplock was still sealed. It was flat as a pancake and if there was a leak in the bag I would have been able to pull the bag apart and let air in, but I couldn't. Makes me wonder if I used bio BB's on accident or something. Will check again tonight.

Second test was with Pyroil Silicone. This stuff specifically states "Heptane" right in the ingredients list. It smells "sweet" compared to the ACE junk, but there's still a hint of the WD-40 smell in there. Let it sit over night with the same brand ziplock bag/oring/BB and in the morning I noticed that just like above, pretty much all of the liquid had evaporated through the bag even though the bag is still sealed. What's left is probably the slick lubricant. I used this stuff to clean my ICS MP5 and also put it into one of my MAG brand midcaps.


I guess my theory right now to go along with what was written above is that the nasty rubber eating stuff is diluted so far that it evaporates before real harm is done if the spray is decent. The ACE can is obviously not "Pure Silicone" and I'll be writing them a letter to let them know that their label is misleading.



I hope you don't mind if I'm using your thread to list my findings too. I'll post pics of the 2 cans I'm using soon

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QUOTE (D0096F @ Aug 27 2007, 11:56 AM) *
lol, it says right there on the can, DANGER: "harmful or fatal if swallowed"!!! a-laugh.gif


a-laugh.gif Yeah well, if you swallow ALOT you should mind as well shoot yourself. Heck, even Mcdonalds is "dangerous."

It meets FDA reg 21 CFR ####...this means that if this stuff accidentally makes contact with food, it should still be safe.
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I'm going to lube my magazines with this stuff... And depending on what this test says, I will lube my gun with it a-jester.gif

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I can clear something up for you about the CRC product. It's food grade because it can be used on food handling equipment. That doesn't mean you should put it in your food!! LOL.. I guess someone could test it for us. Any volunteers?? a-gross.gif

Now, about it being safe for rubber and plastic. It's very safe, we use it at work all the time and have been for a long time. If you have any doubts about the safety of the product, I won't fly anymore if I was you. I work with the maintenance dept. at a "major" airline and it's use on a lot of different locations on our aircraft. a-thumbsup.gif

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Weird because I just lubed my gun, and IT GOT ALL STICKY!

DO NOT USE THIS TO LUBE YOUR GUNS! IT FAILS AND PROBABLY DESTROYS YOUR INTERNALS!


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I can clear something up for you about the CRC product. It's food grade because it can be used on food handling equipment. That doesn't mean you should put it in your food!! LOL.. I guess someone could test it for us. Any volunteers??

Yes it's used on food handling equipment, but it does "accidently" gets on food. BUT, if any one wants to try it out directly on their food and finds out he/she gets high on it, please let me know so I can market this on the street. a-wink.gif


QUOTE (AirsoftR111 @ Aug 28 2007, 04:22 PM) *
Weird because I just lubed my gun, and IT GOT ALL STICKY!

DO NOT USE THIS TO LUBE YOUR GUNS! IT FAILS AND PROBABLY DESTROYS YOUR INTERNALS!


Why would you use this stuff for internals? That's what white lithium and silicone grease is for.

This stuff IS SAFE!!! sticky? I have no idea what you're talking about. It's not sticky at all, but does feel a little more oily/greasy unlike other "watery" kind. Even the bio BBs still look shiny and is not even sticky when I pull it out of the plastic bag. This stuff have been sitting on my GBB mag for over 2 weeks and still NO leak. I lube my brand new echo 1 hopup and barrel with this stuff and it still chrono at 335-340. There are NO lost in performance from either my echo or TM hi-capa. This IS as SAFE as it gets. I just started using this on my TMs 420 FPS M14 and 450 FPS G36c with no ill effect.

Stop being so paranoid.

UPDATE as of 9-4-07
I tested the compression on the O-ring using the SAME cylinder and piston head and it had PERFECT compression still. It sat soaked with this lube for a very long time, and still have no ill effect on the rubber o-rings. The Bio bbs are still not deform or lost their shape/size/texture. The regular AE BBs still look good. All the hard plastics the same as day 1. If this is not safe enough for you guys, I don't know what is.
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Good work. I like to see sombodey put time and effort in just to save the common man enough money for an extra burger at your local Macdonald's. But seriously thanks for this, now that I know it's safe I wont spend 6 bucks on a tiny little can of airsoft silicon lube when I can get this stuff.

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Hi, Have you had any trouble since your last post with CRC silicone? Thanks John
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You should PM the guy. This thread is really old. Good read though.a-thumbsup.gif

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Well I did the same experiment in the bag like you did, BUT WITH WD-40 and this is the amazing part, wd 40 didnt eat away at the bb's at all like the ace pure silicone did. Now whats up with that?
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To Ice: It may not have immediate or obvious results, but just don't use it. Just don't.


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