This is a picture of my team Echo Squadron at a recent game. Normally we are based off of an SAS squad but for this game the dress code required us to follow a bit more of a mercenary look. If I get any other pictures I will make sure I post.

P.S. I'm on the right and the guy next to me is using my M4A1.

Wow, never had to bump pictures before. Any comments guys?

Good lookin' crew, I love the Sig Sniper Model carried by the guy in the Omega Vest, looks like the Assassins Sig 552 in The Bourne Identity. Nice shot, looks like you guys probably wreck shop. on the field. By the way, love the Suppressed Tactical USP, I like the size of it compared to the bulkier Mark 23.

MARPAT for teh win!

I can't believe you actually went and found this thread for that.

I was actually looking through all the team photos. And saw marpat so I gifured I'd leave some props. For if /THOU SHALT NOT USE MY NAME IN VAIN/ created a camo it would be MARPAT.

thats not even a squad, more like a fire team lol.

Umm, it like wasn't my whole team. We actually have almost exactly eight active members so enough for two fire teams or one platoon or squad.

nope, a squad is 9-10 people and a platoon is 16-44 soldiers.

What is your MOS? And why does it matter. Our team name is a name. We don't pretend to be anything we aren't or emulate a real unit.

MOS 31 bravo

nice, guy with g36 looks UB3r!

I think you misspelled Asian.

Im asian too

Eight guys are enough for maybe one squad, and maybe two fire teams. More like one and a half fireteams. It is a start. I am on a ten man team, and we barely fall out into two whole fireteams. For one squad you need one independent squad leader, then two 5-8 man fire teams under him. A platoon has at least two to three squads.

Wrong. You need 8 for a squad. The team leader takes on fireteam and the xo takes the other.

True in most circumstances. Squad size depends on the element, unit size, and objective. You stated that you have a platoon, I'm just breaking it down a little. How many platoon strength(25+) teams do you play with? Most airsoft teams I encounter have neither the command structure or discipline to break down into four man fire teams that small if they are of platoon strength. You don't need to be soo kurt. I was trying to break it down into terms that were easy to wrap your mind around. Usually in a platoon the platoon sergeant gets a squad, then the next sergeant(by enlistment) gets the next squad, and so on and so forth depending on the platoon size. Yes a team lead is a squad commander, but the squad commander is typically independent of the fire teams. So a 10 man team is for all intents and purposes is a squad. Which break down into two fire teams. Not a platoon. I was not trying to be cheeky. I think most of the stuff you guys post is awesome, and I like your pictures posted above. I also think you guys know what you are doing. I was just elaborating on your statement. Just an outside opinion, with a little bit of wisom.
Sometimes I think I am on Hondatech.com. Another forum where people have no open vision, and are not willing to listen to people who are not on the same tracks as you. I have over 6k posts on HT and people still think that they know more than me. Not that I know more, but at least I am willing to consider and listen, and post with any questions. Do I have to give my resume to have people keep an open mind with me.
Hey you guys are cool with me. No need to be keyed up. Just think about it.

Wow, I remember that game, that game was such a long time ago, hope you go to Blood Gulch, its going to be sweet. I will always be there too!

That sig sniper is really hot, what does SAS stand for anyway?

This post has been edited by mister miles: Feb 26 2006, 07:36 AM

Special Air Service

Isn't a SEAL platoon 16 guys????

According to Rogue Warrior, ps the guy actually was a seal, it is 16. I guess a squad would be 8 then and a fire team 4.

Wow, you look HOT with all that stuff. I can see the sweat.

Wha???

The last unit I was in had 6 man squads because it was a Division Support MP Co.

I am sure there is no set in stone rule on the numbers. It can probably vary a bit.

Is it worth me asking why you use the Special Air Service name?

You don't seem to share their loadouts, weapons or military structure....and unless you halo or chopper onto the airsoft field, which would be a bit expensive, how do you justify the 'Air' part?

You might want to elaborate on that. The SAS doesn't not halo or chopper in to its AO all the time. They are the british version of the Navy seals. If you had read what I said we were asked to be mercs for that game. If you check out my thread a few down in this same forum you will see that we model the SAS about as close as you will find in this country. The SAS uses almost nothing but M4's, MP5's and M249's which you will see all of those in the other thread. Also we don't have to justify the Air part because it is mearly the name of the unit. Navy SEAL based teams don't scuba onto the field.

http://www.airsoftforum.com/board/Echo-Squ...Day-t32952.html

There is the link.

Do you mean the Special Boat Service? The Navy SEALs are much closer to the SBS in their SOP. The SAS are the British version of.....actually, they have no American counterparts, although Delta Force was loosly organised along similar lines. It is more appropriate to say that most of the worlds special forces regiments are based on the SAS and their tactics.



The SAS are a covert counter-terrorist and intelligence regiment. The only time they have been filmed in action was when they were in their black kit. If SAS operatives go 'native' they certainly don't wear camo as they try to blend in with the local population.
If you know what the SAS wears in the field, then the SAS aren't doing their job properly, but if you want to use regimental clues, you should be wearing sand or maroon coloured berets and regimental badges at least. Just wearing British camo isn't enough to use the SAS name.



Again, how do you know? Have you a picture of an SAS guy holding a gun? If so, post it here.



You shouldn't try to justify calling yourself SAS at all. I wouldn't call myself a Navy SEAL even if I had the gear to look like one.

Why don't you just say that you picked the name because it....sounded cool.

Don't mean to flame, but the SAS should get a certain ammount of respect, don't you think?



This post has been edited by CaptainPlastic: Mar 4 2006, 05:48 AM

I know what I have told you because I have done research. Read Bravo Two Zero and then get back to me. I never gave you crap for running around on the field with two aeps. As far as tactics, we are spot on to what information they have released to the public. We aren't a bunch of idiots out there running around in sweat shirts. If we don't think there is a good chance that the SAS would do something we don't do it (with the exception of guns because there is no need to tell someone they can't play because they have the wrong gun.). There are much better place you could waste your flame time.

This is a picture of Andy Mcnabb


This post has been edited by DFish: Mar 4 2006, 10:20 AM

Ever notice that most people look at others pics and think they can do it better but never do????

Lol. Tru Dat.

I'll admit that I am guilty of that too but at least I try it and give them some pointers and then back off.

Ok kids, play nice.

It is illegal for inactive SAS members to discuss past regimental activities. The Andy McNab books are widely reguarded as spurious, even by SAS regimental commanders, and Andy McNab is a pseudonym created to avoid jail time. SAS information that has been released to the public must also be taken as spurious if only because the MOD declares that information as a state secret, and a leak of such information would be reguarded as a crime punisable by imprisonment.

The reason I don't post pictures of myself in my gear is that I feel no reason to. I wear what I need to play the hobby I have chosen. I'd carry 20 AEPs if I thought it would get the job done. I don't try to emulate a real world regiment. If I did I certainly wouldn't choose to do it based on third hand information.

If you don't think there is a good chance that the SAS would do something, you don't do it? Good. They never post pictures of themselves on the internet. They are secretive and covert and don't talk about what they do.

If you don't want criticism or just can't take it, don't open yourself up to it by posting your pictures here...unless of course you wanted nothing but positive feedback, in which case...

Wow! That's cool! I like your stuff and gear and stuff! Wow!.........Wow....

This post has been edited by CaptainPlastic: Mar 6 2006, 10:32 PM

Andy Mcnabb is the most decorated member of the SAS and I shall no longer consider your opinion of any value after you dis him. To tell you the truth, I think the reason why you don't post pictures of yourself is because your stuff doesn't exist. I think you are a flagrant chair softer.

This post has been edited by DFish: Mar 6 2006, 10:37 PM

If AndyMcNab was a real person, he would be a real person in prison.

My stuff doesn't exist?.......I'm honestly not sure how you expect me to respond to that.....and you don't value my opinion anymore....Darn man, I didn't think you ever did.

Have you even read his book? Regardless of if the name is a pen name or not he is the most decorated member of the SAS. The guy spent time in a Iraqi prison and you are sitting there mocking him? I can tell you how to respond to that comment.... POST A SINGLE PIC.

If the name is unreal then you have to accept that the book may itself be spurious. Military sources say it is a work of fiction.

If I post a picture of my stuff, I'm sure you'd just say I found it on the internet. I feel no need to prove I have what I have, and if you do.....well, that's your business.

I can't believe you are calling it a work of fiction. It happened. Even the SAS is not going to try to stop some guy from telling a story about Desert Storm when there involvement in Scud hunting is well documented. Mind if I ask what military sources are telling you it is fiction. I won't accuse you of just finding a pic online. Although I do have a question, how come you started the stock society based on your sig 552 being stock and never failing but it is listed in your profile as upgraded?

This post has been edited by DFish: Mar 6 2006, 11:29 PM

Was there an operation called 'Gulf Storm'. I know there was a game with that name...

Would a couple of quotes help?

"Although Bravo Two Zero brought him immediate fame and success, McNab has since been accused of vastly exaggerating the facts behind his Gulf War mission. McNab's claim that his squad inflicted between 200 and 250 enemy casualties during their mission is particularly dubious. Certain events recounted by McNab in Bravo Two Zero have even been debunked as complete fabrications by sources as authoritative as McNab's teammates and the former SAS Regimental Sergeant Major, Peter Ratcliffe.

Despite the fact that Bravo Two Zero's credibility as a legitimate and factual account of war is highly questionable, Andy McNab's success as a novelist, technical advisor, and cultural icon has remained largely unaffected."

"His first book, his account of the Bravo Two Zero mission, suffers so badly in parts from exaggeration and truth-tinkering that it has even been rubbished by his fellow military missionaries."

"Even the most uncritical reader of the two books would have been aware that some artistic licence had been employed. (Michael) Asher, fluent in Arabic and familiar with the ways of the desert Arabs, travelled to Iraq 10 years after the Gulf War and re-traced the steps of the SAS patrol, finding Bedouin eyewitnesses to events. There is an almost comical disparity between McNab and Ryan's version of the mission and the version Asher reports.

According to McNab, when the patrol was discovered, it was by Iraqi soldiers and a furious firefight ensued with the SAS men downing a dozen or more men before fleeing. According to Asher, the mission was "compromised" by three Arab locals, one of them a man in his 70s, and the SAS wisely decided that discretion was the better part of valour and withdrew. According to Ryan, on his lonely journey to the Syrian border, he was obliged to kill two Iraqis, one with his bare hands. According to Asher's sources, he omitted to mention this at his initial de-briefing."

Why are you so willing to believe the account of one man you've never talked to, and so quick to denouce my information as lies? Answer? You believe what you want to believe, and I'm sure will continue to do so.

Edit. I've just read a report that 'Andy' is also releasing a line of ladies underwear!

"...has revealed that he is about to expand the grand McNab brand once again, and is set to launch a line of ladies' undergarments at next year's London Fashion Week. That's right. After writing pants for over ten years, this trained killer is now set to design them. And who more qualified than such a rampantly heterosexual man? As he pointed out himself this week, 'Heterosexual men know more about women's underwear than women do... Women, frankly, don't have a clue.' And so McNab is going to do the decent thing and give women what they want - 'an underwear range with a sporty, military look'. There will be some use of the camouflage motif, yes, but nothing raunchy.

Well, soldiers sure as hell ain't what they used to be. You can't imagine Montgomery returning from North Africa with Rommel's ears in his pocket, only to go and launch a range of khaki bloomers. And why? Because he was a tensed sphincter of a man, incapable of even uttering the word 'sensitive' without having to give himself a good spanking. Thankfully, times have changed, and Andy McNab is the face of modern combat. One minute he's killing 250 Arabs with his bare teeth, the next he's getting to grips with breast-
weight-gravity-ratio. A man as at home with murder as he is with marketing and mammary glands.

So here's to Andy McNab. May he forever dwell in the shadows, making stuff up and tossing out profitable crap for gullible war-freaks."

Sounds....nice.

This post has been edited by CaptainPlastic: Mar 6 2006, 11:36 PM