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Jun 8 2007, 09:01 PM
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ASF Citizen Group: Member Posts: 60 Joined: 15-April 07 Member No.: 29,393 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Lt.Carroll |
Now, although it may seem like everyone knows what the element of surprise is, I've seen people totally misunderstand it. I've played on a field only twice. Yes, im a complete newbie. But Just listen to ths short story and you will get my point.
I'm playing deep in this 2-4 square mile area. A tall corn field in the middle with forest surronding it. Me and my small fireteam spot a small enemy squad about to pass us. We get down and I tell my teammates to "use the element of surprise. don't fire untill your sure you'll get a -" I'm cut off from our support lifting his m4a1(with box mag) over his head blazing in the enemy's direction. None of the enemy were hit, and they knew exactly where we were. They opened up and took us all out with but 2 casualties. So. I know it was one person, but I noticed more later on. Im here to write about the advanages of having the EOS. Ok, lets say your holding a TM m4 s-system with red dot scope. You spot a single enemy trying to find his way back to his OP. He doesn't notice you, but he's walking your way. In between you and him, a log and plants lay on the ground, which would conceal about 7/8 of your body. To your right you see a patch of 5 foot grass that would completely conceal you, but you'd have to wait untill the enemy troop got close for you to have a shot. you have 2 choices: A: Go to the log and plants and wait 10 seconds for him to get within medium range. B: Go to the patch of tall grass and wait for him to get close. If you chose A, this would probably happen: You wait for the troop to get withing medim range and fire. He avoids the BB's and gets cover. He now knows exactly where you are and you break out into a firefight. There a 50/50 chance now that you'll kill or be killed. B: You wait for th enemy to get close. You fire a burst and nearly nail him. He scrambles for cover, thinking you're somewhere else. His cover is sloppy. He is confused. He's panicing. He has no idea where you are, but you're still lettin' off BB's. Your chances of killing him are now 85/100. So, would you rather pop up and surprise your enemy, but let him know where you are? Or would like to surprise him, but have him virtually clueless to your position? It's your choice. The element of surprise is truely not popping up, scaring the living crap out of the enemy, but letting him know here you are. It's having him a position so dazed he panics and makes decisions so stupid its almost laughable. Thank you, and I hope you enjoyed reading the article. -------------------- Who ever truly wants to go to war, has truly never been there before!
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Jun 14 2007, 02:15 PM
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ASF Immigrant Group: Member Posts: 22 Joined: 18-April 07 From: Southern New Jersey Member No.: 29,471 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for JM Delloso |
Now, although it may seem like everyone knows what the element of surprise is, I've seen people totally misunderstand it. I've played on a field only twice. Yes, im a complete newbie. But Just listen to ths short story and you will get my point. I'm playing deep in this 2-4 square mile area. A tall corn field in the middle with forest surronding it. Me and my small fireteam spot a small enemy squad about to pass us. We get down and I tell my teammates to "use the element of surprise. don't fire untill your sure you'll get a -" I'm cut off from our support lifting his m4a1(with box mag) over his head blazing in the enemy's direction. None of the enemy were hit, and they knew exactly where we were. They opened up and took us all out with but 2 casualties. So. I know it was one person, but I noticed more later on. Im here to write about the advanages of having the EOS. Ok, lets say your holding a TM m4 s-system with red dot scope. You spot a single enemy trying to find his way back to his OP. He doesn't notice you, but he's walking your way. In between you and him, a log and plants lay on the ground, which would conceal about 7/8 of your body. To your right you see a patch of 5 foot grass that would completely conceal you, but you'd have to wait untill the enemy troop got close for you to have a shot. you have 2 choices: A: Go to the log and plants and wait 10 seconds for him to get within medium range. B: Go to the patch of tall grass and wait for him to get close. If you chose A, this would probably happen: You wait for the troop to get withing medim range and fire. He avoids the BB's and gets cover. He now knows exactly where you are and you break out into a firefight. There a 50/50 chance now that you'll kill or be killed. B: You wait for th enemy to get close. You fire a burst and nearly nail him. He scrambles for cover, thinking you're somewhere else. His cover is sloppy. He is confused. He's panicing. He has no idea where you are, but you're still lettin' off BB's. Your chances of killing him are now 85/100. So, would you rather pop up and surprise your enemy, but let him know where you are? Or would like to surprise him, but have him virtually clueless to your position? It's your choice. The element of surprise is truely not popping up, scaring the living crap out of the enemy, but letting him know here you are. It's having him a position so dazed he panics and makes decisions so stupid its almost laughable. Thank you, and I hope you enjoyed reading the article. good point, my friends do that to me a lot, you know, ruining the plan because they don't think ahead of time and just try to shoot people. -------------------- JG M4 S-System Black
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Jun 28 2007, 04:22 PM
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ASF Immigrant Group: Member Posts: 10 Joined: 15-June 07 Member No.: 30,938 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for ACar |
be sure you don't leave any tracks it the grass.
by the way, you don't have to wait untill you see an enemy to hide, just set up an ambush to begin with, its my favorite strategy, and the |
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Jun 28 2007, 10:12 PM
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ASF Immigrant Group: user_has_broken_email Posts: 26 Joined: 16-June 07 Member No.: 30,963 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Taproots |
One of the most fun games I ever played in airsoft was against someone with a CA 36(mine actually, they were borrowing it.) I had a spring powered KWC M92FS, he chased me firing on full auto and eventually I outran him, hid, and ambushed him while he was blinded by his zeal to pursue me. Clearly, there is something to be learned from this example. Don't loan the better D**M gun to your opponent ;)
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Jul 13 2007, 12:02 PM
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![]() ASF Immigrant Group: Member Posts: 20 Joined: 12-July 07 From: Tulsa, Oklahoma Member No.: 31,749 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Johny Rambo |
I like to hide in the bushes to ambush others.
I always make sure it conceals my whole body. When the get close enouph I try to unload my whole magazine in his face (not literaly but enough to make him pissed off) Whats important about ambushing is that you have to be carefull and not allow tunnel vision to accur. Tunnel Vision is a term for paintballing when you look only at one thing at a time. If you see an opponent that doesn't see you make sure he's alone. unless you think you can take on more than one person at a time. IT IS NOT THAT EASY. When you try to kill one person the other kills you, so be careful. A tactic for killing more than 1 person at a time is making them panic when they see their friend killed. When they panic they get confused and don't shoot, they also may run away. If you have any more questions please contact me. This post has been edited by Johny Rambo: Jul 13 2007, 12:04 PM -------------------- In april 1912, in the Crna Gora mountains a young and curious girl from Udine
took a picture of a Bosnian accordionist, Mujo Uzicanin, wearing a strange tattoo. Mujo was the grandfather of the Man from Bijeljina and the name of the girl was Modotti. Sorry mom, I'm a sniper "Patience is Virtue" -Sniper Sig edited by staff... please obey posted signature rules. |
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Jul 13 2007, 12:37 PM
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![]() ASF Addict Group: Member Posts: 5,511 Joined: 3-June 06 From: Wichita, Kansas Member No.: 21,187 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for bat21win |
There are times when I'll let them get almost on top of me before I fire. I've taken down a several people at once using this tactic.
My best kills were against an enemy patrol. I was the only enemy in the general area. I was lying prone in some brush aprox 30 feet from them. I could hear them talking quietly, so I knew where they were at. I stayed where I was, and waited at least 15 minutes for them to move. They moved only a few feet, but it was enough for me to see them lightly through the brush. I waited another minute, and then I fired.I killed 2 of them, the other one tried to run, but I caught him in the back. They never saw me, and never saw it coming. -------------------- ![]() |
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Oct 23 2007, 02:07 PM
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ASF Immigrant Group: Member Posts: 26 Joined: 11-October 07 Member No.: 33,678 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for darkhorse99 |
There are times when I'll let them get almost on top of me before I fire. I've taken down a several people at once using this tactic. My best kills were against an enemy patrol. I was the only enemy in the general area. I was lying prone in some brush aprox 30 feet from them. I could hear them talking quietly, so I knew where they were at. I stayed where I was, and waited at least 15 minutes for them to move. They moved only a few feet, but it was enough for me to see them lightly through the brush. I waited another minute, and then I fired.I killed 2 of them, the other one tried to run, but I caught him in the back. They never saw me, and never saw it coming. lol I never want to play with you |
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Oct 23 2007, 06:29 PM
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![]() ASF Citizen Group: Member Posts: 413 Joined: 27-May 07 Member No.: 30,431 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for honkhonk |
The element of surprise is a very powerful weapon.
In fact, I once waited in the woods for a whole match, about an hour. With about 5 minutes left, I ran out of the woods, shot half of the other team, grabbed the hostage and ran like heck. This post has been edited by honkhonk: Oct 23 2007, 06:29 PM -------------------- Guns I currently Own: Echo1 M4 Commando
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Feb 19 2008, 08:58 AM
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![]() ASF Immigrant Group: Member Posts: 12 Joined: 18-February 08 Member No.: 36,514 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for HeadShot! |
my friend is great at using the element of suprise. We were playing in my other friends yard and there were a few areas were there was leaves (in small groups). At the begging of the game he hid under the leaves,layed his gun flat, and covered it with leaves, then waited. it was a 2 on 2 match and we rushed and killed the other person. we were walking around looking for him when I heard a gunshot go off , my teamate said "hit" the I looked around for him ( I got that feeling you get when you know someones going to kill you in half a second, but you don't know where they are. ). My friend that was under the leaves jumped up and scared me half to death.he got off three shots (he was using a spring rifle) before I could even shoot.
-------------------- QUOTE if there was no war, there wouldn't be any guns, if there were no guns, the zombies would pwn us Airsoft: Just another way to shoot you friends Glasses ON! -If you think its possible for someone to be anti-war and still be pro-airsoft without being a hypocrite, put this in your sig |
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Feb 19 2008, 10:07 AM
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ASF Immigrant Group: Member Posts: 6 Joined: 15-January 08 Member No.: 35,560 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Sigil |
The EoF is one of the most important factor of a well planned strategy for an ambush, it gives a great advantage in the initiative and it is also a great resource also in real-military tactics.
I think that most people starting playing airsoft (without basic military skills) need to learn the importance of these primary tactics in order to have chances for success when confronting an opponent. Generally when I plan an attack with a small group I make sure that the boys can move in a fast, smooth way with coordination, resulting in an aggressive-perceived attack from the defence. The resulting surprise breaks every type of action and you can defeat with relative ease every counter-action. |
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Mar 10 2008, 10:11 PM
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ASF Citizen Group: Member Posts: 104 Joined: 5-December 07 Member No.: 34,721 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for rascusn3 |
This thread has been very useful for me. I've learned to wait until I can see the whites of their eyes before I fire.
my best use of the EOS was one time when I was play ing in some woodland area, I saw a group of enemies sitting in their base, then, I signaled a guy on my team to get the enemies attention while I snuck around to the side of them. they didn't even know I was there until I started spraying them on full auto! it was hilarious I have one quick question: what is the best way too hide in grass/small brush? I can never seem to stay hidden. Any info is greatly appreciated. -------------------- ![]() what everyone wants. A .50cal SMG |
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