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Mar 19 2007, 04:09 PM
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![]() LTC Amphibious B. Croak, USMCJROTC(ret) Group: user_has_broken_email Posts: 1,205 Joined: 18-October 06 From: Huntsville, Alabama Member No.: 24,996 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 1 (100%) Add Feedback for Bullfrog |
The Future of Airsoft
In the five months that I have been here at ASF, I have participated in several threads concerning the public and political future of airsoft in the United States. Seeing as I really enjoy playing airsoft for several worthwhile reasons, it is important to me that the sport to be around for a long time. Knowing that the public image of airsoft is probably not very good, due to media reports about idiots pointing replicas at Police, and knowing that there is at least one Congressman out there with the intent to heavily regulate the sport does not help me rest easy on this matter. So what am I getting at? I don’t claim to be prophetic or have any idea how these possible problems for airsoft will play out, but I do have several opinions that I think need to be addressed by the community. The first issue is, how do we repair the public image of airsoft as a worthwhile activity? How can we have a positive influence on the political powers so that the constant threat of regulation is not hanging over us? And finally, how do we properly educate everyone who buys an airsoft gun? I know some are content to try and keep airsoft underground, and to pretend that no one really knows what is going on. But it doesn’t take a genius to see that airsoft is growing in popularity, in spite of itself. The airsoft field that my son and I play at is celebrating its first year anniversary in April. Monthly attendance has gone from 12 players to over 35, and sometimes as many as 60. When I cruise the online airsoft retailers, it is obvious that many are struggling to keep popular items in stock. Others are expanding their inventory and selection to meet demand. It is getting to the point that no one will be able to ignore the situation. I offer the following ideas as a starting place for discussions that should lead to definitive plans and results, which are necessary if we are to keep airsoft in the form we enjoy today. Image Damage Repair – There are a couple of things that might be done to repair the public impression of airsoft. First thing is that someone (and I mean an organization) needs to write what I would call an “Airsoft Manifesto”, that would be an official statement laying out the purposes, attitudes, rules, benefits, and safe use of airsoft as a viable sport. In order for this document to have any teeth, the organization responsible for it would have to circulate it throughout the airsoft community and get as many smaller groups as possible to sign on. Once an impressive number of airsoft groups are supportive of this statement, it would be sent to all Congressmen, Senators, Governors, Mayors, and Police Departments. It might be necessary to form a National Airsoft Organization. Not an iron fisted organization, just something to facilitate concerns that are too big for local groups to handle. The second thing that could be done is similar to what the Elgin River Rats have accomplished. That is, to train well enough to be able to help local Police and Army units train for real-world situations. I know this won’t be possible for less organized groups, but when something good happens like this, a serious effort needs to be made to publish it. Do press releases, write articles and submit them to the appropriate magazines and newspapers, tell other groups how to do it, and so on. Influencing Politics – This is a multi-headed beast. On the state level, local groups have to keep tabs on legislation that might affect airsoft. Nationally, everyone needs to be aware of what might regulate airsoft out of existence. With the changing landscape of national politics under way, there is more chances now for regulation then ever before. With a more liberal, anti-gun Congress we need to carefully monitor legislation. As stated above, an improved image is the first step and having a group that can alert all the forums and local groups about potential problems is essential. I wonder how many lawyers, politicians, and other people of influence actually play the game? We need to find out somehow and tap into their abilities. Educating the Masses – Image control is largely dependent on how well the airsoft community educates itself. Obviously if you hang around ASF long enough, you will learn what is considered the right way to play. But what about those who buy the Wal-Mart special? This may not be the most practical way to educate everyone, but if a “National Airsoft Organization” produced posters and/or handouts for retailers to use when selling airsoft items, we might be able to create better-educated newbies. I wonder how many Boy Scout groups would entertain a safety demonstration and lecture using airsoft guns? Each local group should have access to resources and ways they can positively educate people to play safely. Well, that should be enough wolf crying for now. I solicit others take on this growing problem as I see it. And before you all think I am worrying myself to death, I still sleep soundly at night, I am extremely happy with life in general, and if airsoft went away tomorrow I would still have several reasons that would keep me going. LONG LIVE AIRSOFT!!! This post has been edited by Sir Biscuit: Mar 19 2007, 08:00 PM -------------------- "but I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend..." Faramir
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Apr 7 2008, 10:15 PM
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![]() a cool kid ![]() Group: Authorized Seller Paid Posts: 3,836 Joined: 16-March 08 From: colorado Member No.: 37,467 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for sergantsnipes |
we could put a commercial showing what most responsible people do with airsoft guns and how fun the sport can be -------------------- ![]() My M14 project pm me for questions about the G&G plastica series and combat machine series G&G m14 video review |
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Apr 8 2008, 01:19 PM
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![]() ASF Citizen Group: Member Posts: 118 Joined: 26-March 06 From: Portage, MI Member No.: 19,249 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for delta squad 666 |
we could put a commercial showing what most responsible people do with airsoft guns and how fun the sport can be That is why Armory Airsoft, here in Michigan is doing there best to promote a "safe and healthy" approach of airsoft to its community and people -------------------- F.L.A.K. 10th squad "Sappers" , E-1
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Apr 8 2008, 02:03 PM
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![]() AEG work/questions? PM me. Group: Member Posts: 5,098 Joined: 24-April 07 From: Nebraska Member No.: 29,629 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 12 (100%) Add Feedback for Aimfor1337 |
Mind watching the dates of topics before posting? Thank you.
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Apr 8 2008, 02:43 PM
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![]() PM W/ WHICH GUN/UPGRADE QUESTIONS Group: Elite Posts: 1,339 Joined: 25-February 07 From: RI Member No.: 28,069 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for 171stSniper |
Mind watching the dates of topics before posting? Thank you. one question, if its stickied I thought we could post in it no matter the date? Im prolly wrong just wondering though -------------------- PM ME WITH WHICH GUN/ UPGRADE QUESTIONS, STOP POSTING THREADS ABOUT THEM
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Apr 13 2008, 11:08 AM
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![]() ASF Immigrant Group: Member Posts: 32 Joined: 12-March 08 From: California Member No.: 37,316 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for backyardchampion |
the image of airsoft is indeed almost impossible to uphold in the public's eye. When airsofters DO play responsibly no one sees them for they play in remote places. However the idiots who don't play responsibly are the one the public sees A. Walking down the street with an airsoft gun B. Playing to close to other people C. Shooting unsuspecting civilians ect. ect.
What we should do (and I know that a lot of people do this anyway) is airsoft WITH policemen or the military Inviting an off-duty cop or soldier might change their view of airsoft and gain some support amongst those who would bring airsofting down -------------------- anybody wanna borrow a TM P90? I'm grounded for a month, guess I'll have to get back into video games
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Apr 14 2008, 06:43 PM
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![]() ASF Citizen Group: Member Posts: 926 Joined: 17-July 07 From: pembroke, nh Member No.: 31,891 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for soldierbane |
I wonder how many Boy Scout groups would entertain a safety demonstration and lecture using airsoft guns? Each local group should have access to resources and ways they can positively educate people to play safely. LONG LIVE AIRSOFT!!! I am actually working on this as several of my friend are in boy scouts and I have already offered to attend as a guest speaker with my guns and my firends vountered their guns as well, but so far the scout master is against it. -------------------- ![]() Props to Onikozah. |
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Apr 15 2008, 06:18 PM
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According to the BSA (Boy Scouts of America organization), all games like Paintball, airsoft, and even DODGEBALL are too "Dangerous" or "Militaristic" to be allowed during Boy Scout functions. They don't even let us talk about Christopher Columbus... Of course, how many troops will actually pay attention to this? It's more of the Scoutmaster's decision. Perhaps this could be a good way to turn the BSA around.
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Apr 20 2008, 05:11 PM
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![]() ASF Citizen Group: Elite Posts: 444 Joined: 18-February 08 From: Illinois (Am an aussie) Member No.: 36,512 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for (Airsoft)Defender |
If someone says lasertag, I am gonna stab em.
-------------------- Sha-na-na-na-nannigans!
Yeah. Even with a TM SAW they might mess with you. But if you have fire, aint nobody gonna mess with you. 96.4% of teens would die if ambercrombie and fitch said it was "uncool" to breathe. Put this in your sig if you would be 1 of the 3.6% that would die from laughing. I hate Sarah Silverman therefore this is a bad idea. I don't think it would be much fun because I would be scared of getting sand in my gun. And Because I hate Sarah Silverman. |
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May 5 2008, 05:07 PM
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![]() ASF Citizen Group: Elite Posts: 91 Joined: 29-February 08 From: Virginia Member No.: 36,925 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Bluelizard |
I don't thinka lot of people really care. They have work and school and friends to worry about. It is the equlivent f worry of madonna turning into a snake and eating everyone. We all think what every American thinks when seeing a stroy on the news. Tsk, tsk and then froget about it during dinner. Same goes for some soldier MIA. How many rember a specific incident? It seems like we have something to hide. I think it will be a long time before we recive our own lobbying group. Paintball has one for espn viewing and making it a valid sport for highschool and college.
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May 5 2008, 05:44 PM
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![]() male genetalia Group: Banned User Posts: 783 Joined: 30-January 08 From: The Region, Indiana Member No.: 35,975 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for eege |
make a website that supports airsoft, and then half of the payment of the subscribing members of ASF and use it as a banner for big websites like myspace.
-------------------- Eege is that wierd kid in the back of your classroom who always gets 100 on tests.. ![]() QUOTE [aimfor1337] 11:36 pm: nick you're correct, there ARE lots of "off" people in here, one of them being eege... he's so off you couldnt clamp him to a metal operating table |
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May 7 2008, 12:24 AM
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ASF Immigrant Group: Member Posts: 15 Joined: 6-May 08 Member No.: 39,301 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for 4Airsoft |
The future of airsoft is extremely promising. The guns are becoming more and more sophisticated and realistic. The looks, dimensions, and weight can have a positive introduction to the real guns. They can provide a great learning tool into handling and respecting a firearm. Plus they are a blast to play around with.
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May 11 2008, 10:54 PM
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![]() ASF Citizen Group: Elite Posts: 91 Joined: 29-February 08 From: Virginia Member No.: 36,925 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Bluelizard |
I agree there is almost nothing negative for airsoft. Excluding the suicdial kid in the bathroom and the borderline retarted senator. It is actually damaging paintball becuase before paintball was basically a monopoly in simulation combat. (Excluding laser tag but hey come on) Plus they are expanding away from the mp5 and m16 series. ( FN SCAR!)
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May 12 2008, 01:41 PM
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![]() ASF's Rockstar Vatican Assassin Group: Moderator Level 2 Posts: 3,419 Joined: 31-January 05 From: Derby (Wichita), KS Member No.: 11,740 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 1 (100%) Add Feedback for Paisley Pirate |
The only flies in the ointment right now are shipments from China on guns, parts and the like.
This is because it is illegal to manufacture airsoft in China (go figure). Also, there has been a lot of slowdown of cargo coming in from that part of the world at US Customs. I've heard several people lamenting over that. So, for the individual ordering from HK, it doesn't seem a problem. For US retailer/resellers, there is a lot of hassle getting stuff here from there. Of course, more people are looking at building parts here instead, so that they can have better qc on the products. So, I am guardedly optimistic, but some of the bottom end of the market may be drying up (not saying good or bad, just sayin'...) My worry is parts, to be honest... getting some of the parts in has been terribly slow... -------------------- -THE Paisley Pirate- <=== Read at your own peril
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May 12 2008, 02:22 PM
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ASF Citizen Group: Member Posts: 140 Joined: 13-April 08 Member No.: 38,479 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Iku Tri |
This sounds great, why don't we do something about it? Someone could make a website about safety, and it could tell people to spread the work to make airsoft better.
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May 13 2008, 04:19 PM
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ASF Immigrant Group: Member Posts: 47 Joined: 30-March 08 Member No.: 37,943 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Guevara |
I think the future of airsoft is Gas Blowback. don't have to worry about batteries/ battery compartments. More realistic and some recoil.
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May 26 2008, 10:54 PM
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ASF Immigrant Group: Member Posts: 15 Joined: 6-May 08 Member No.: 39,301 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for 4Airsoft |
the image of airsoft is indeed almost impossible to uphold in the public's eye. When airsofters DO play responsibly no one sees them for they play in remote places. However the idiots who don't play responsibly are the one the public sees A. Walking down the street with an airsoft gun B. Playing to close to other people C. Shooting unsuspecting civilians ect. ect. What we should do (and I know that a lot of people do this anyway) is airsoft WITH policemen or the military Inviting an off-duty cop or soldier might change their view of airsoft and gain some support amongst those who would bring airsofting down Awesome idea on including th law enforcement in on the training and education of utilizing airsoft. As you mentioned, it only takes one bad apple to tarnish the image and reputation of what airsoft is about and what it can bring. -------------------- external link removed - admin
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Jun 22 2008, 10:11 AM
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ASF Citizen Group: Elite Posts: 431 Joined: 3-June 08 Member No.: 40,143 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Jewlz |
I say to keep airsoft alive we need to create a national organization. The National Organization of Airsoft. Also Known As NOA.
Create website create waivers. Forward out to as many as possible leaders to get everyone in there team to sign this waiver. Also give these waivers to minor and major airsoft suppliers or stores. if we can get enough people together to make the National Organization of Airsoft we can make airsoft a good public image. We can get enough money from donations to support making an airsoft commercial. We can get either the president which would be very good or some governors, and talk how to be safe at airsoft, and how fun it is, and at the end get as many governors saying I_______ _______ approve this message. Airsoft will become so much better if we can proceed enough to do this kind of thing. I hope everyone takes this message into consideration. Udunson, -------------------- Live to win win to live
I came here expecting to see a nice gun, instead I see a girl leaving a goodbye note about leaving ASF. What is the world coming to? To give you an idea, a trigger happy, SAW-wielding nub will shoot maybe 1k rounds in a day's play ............................................/\ .............................................l lol |
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Jun 23 2008, 08:46 AM
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![]() ASF Citizen Group: Elite Posts: 128 Joined: 31-May 08 From: Southern New Jersey Member No.: 40,090 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for kwalker |
obveously theres another problem as well. immature kids. it just doesnt seem fair how a group of kids or even just one can give millions on airsofters a bad name. thats a problem that obveously cant be avoided because you can never make every single person in the US of A to be a good person. thats a problem that obveously is going to quite possibly stay a perminant problem in the airsofters community
but I like the idea of an airsoft organization. I'd join if there became one. -------------------- Thanks Onikozah ^ |
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Jul 10 2008, 04:52 PM
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![]() Welcome to the Jungle Group: Elite Posts: 1,510 Joined: 14-June 08 From: Indiana Member No.: 40,563 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for StarvinMarvin |
The first issue is, how do we repair the public image of airsoft as a worthwhile activity?
^ We can email our mayors/governors about this sport. And to inform children about being responsible, they should discontinue all airsoft guns being sold at Wal-Marts, Targets, and |
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Sep 1 2008, 12:14 AM
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ASF Immigrant Group: Member Posts: 14 Joined: 5-June 08 Member No.: 40,243 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Ken Ranger |
The first issue is, how do we repair the public image of airsoft as a worthwhile activity? ^ We can email our mayors/governors about this sport. And to inform children about being responsible, they should discontinue all airsoft guns being sold at Wal-Marts, Targets, and We are, right now, working with the 32nd Operation on NPAA which will be a National Players Airsoft Association. For a one-time fee of $10.00, you will be able to join the league and work your way to pro in the airsoft association. This will be a national game that will be recognized as a sport. When this is finalized, I will post a link to the site, and to register for the NPAA. Thanks, Ken |
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Sep 1 2008, 11:11 AM
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![]() Welcome to the Jungle Group: Elite Posts: 1,510 Joined: 14-June 08 From: Indiana Member No.: 40,563 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for StarvinMarvin |
We are, right now, working with the 32nd Operation on NPAA which will be a National Players Airsoft Association. For a one-time fee of $10.00, you will be able to join the league and work your way to pro in the airsoft association. This will be a national game that will be recognized as a sport. When this is finalized, I will post a link to the site, and to register for the NPAA. Thanks, Ken Ok thanks for the info. Where are you posting the link? |
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Sep 2 2008, 07:39 PM
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ASF Immigrant Group: Member Posts: 1 Joined: 26-February 08 Member No.: 36,845 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for fauxhammer |
This is an example of what airsoft needs. If only it was for the US
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhUm_HLM3Is |
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Sep 3 2008, 03:07 PM
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![]() Welcome to the Jungle Group: Elite Posts: 1,510 Joined: 14-June 08 From: Indiana Member No.: 40,563 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for StarvinMarvin |
This is an example of what airsoft needs. If only it was for the US http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhUm_HLM3Is Haha yeah. In the U.S. we have those Fox videos of them dissing airsoft |
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Oct 17 2008, 04:49 PM
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![]() Taste my bullets, you'll feel no shame and no regret Group: Elite Posts: 4,449 Joined: 29-September 08 From: Huntingdon PA Member No.: 43,677 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 18 (100%) Add Feedback for Zemanova |
If someone says lasertag, I am gonna stab em. in the future ......airsoft guns will shoot lasers!!! .....................no wait.. that was the 80's no matter what anybody does to make make airsofts image look better ignorant people are still gonna be freaked out by it and think were all geeks & kooks like when I was working on my kraken project my mom honestly thought that I was "building a machine gun to kill people with" and when you meet girls you cant tell them youre into airsoft cuz then they become afraid of you and your not real guns This post has been edited by Dusti69: Oct 17 2008, 04:51 PM -------------------- |
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Oct 17 2008, 05:21 PM
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![]() ASF Citizen Group: Member Posts: 63 Joined: 20-September 08 From: Ventura, California Member No.: 43,479 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for cdr.medart |
California State Legislature wants to make it illegal to have airsoft guns in public without having them bright neon colors or clear. That might help reduce the number of idiots with airsoft guns, but it won't affect those who play responsibly, like most of us here.
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Oct 17 2008, 05:21 PM
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![]() ASF Citizen Group: Member Posts: 63 Joined: 20-September 08 From: Ventura, California Member No.: 43,479 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for cdr.medart |
California State Legislature wants to make it illegal to have airsoft guns in public without having them bright neon colors or clear. That might help reduce the number of idiots with airsoft guns, but it won't affect those who play responsibly, like most of us here.
-------------------- ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Murph9935 5:27 pm: the way I see it, m4s are like bugs. all over the place, really annoying, but the socially awkward and intellectuals are fascinated by them. JG = Just Great :) |
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Oct 19 2008, 10:59 AM
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ASF Citizen Group: Banned User Posts: 284 Joined: 20-May 08 Member No.: 39,736 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for cocolala |
California State Legislature wants to make it illegal to have airsoft guns in public without having them bright neon colors or clear. That might help reduce the number of idiots with airsoft guns, but it won't affect those who play responsibly, like most of us here. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! -------------------- This user doesn't get it. You can't advertise items for sale on ASF, without it being in the Buy/Sell/Trade Section. If you have multiple items of the same origin, that would make you a re-seller. And applicable to ASF's seller/sponsor program rules.
Also, Pyrotechnic based airsoft items are NOT allowed on ASF. This user now has a 100% warning, and is BANNED from ASF. |
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Oct 21 2008, 06:52 PM
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![]() ASF Citizen Group: Member Posts: 100 Joined: 28-May 08 Member No.: 39,960 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for streetgang |
I don't think airsoft will ever replace paintball or become more popular than it. Paintball is great for its strategic value (speedball requires 10 times more skill to play than any woods airsoft or cqb and I don't care what anyone says it's a simple fact). However, when Barack Osama gets elected im going to be worried about my right to bear real arms more than my fake ones. I think airsoft will be fine, people were gettin crazy about paintball but then more purpose built fields came out and the craziness died down. Airsoft needs the same thing to happen to it. I live in Indianapolis and you would think there would be fields around here but there is only one and it's like 40 mins. away. Obama can have my real guns when he pries them from my cold, dead fingers. He's not going to get the chance though.
-------------------- Idc what anyone says I still think Catch 22 is a good band, and even though Tomas left for Streetlight manifesto you have to think to yourself, "Sweet, now I got two good bands to listen to!".
What's people and their sigs? Honestly I don't see what the hype is all about. Oh and CA MP5A4. |
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Oct 21 2008, 10:04 PM
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![]() ASF Citizen Group: Member Posts: 63 Joined: 20-September 08 From: Ventura, California Member No.: 43,479 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for cdr.medart |
Obama can have my real guns when he pries them from my cold, dead fingers. He's not going to get the chance though. Amen to that! -------------------- ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Murph9935 5:27 pm: the way I see it, m4s are like bugs. all over the place, really annoying, but the socially awkward and intellectuals are fascinated by them. JG = Just Great :) |
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Oct 22 2008, 01:23 AM
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![]() ASF Citizen Group: Elite Posts: 223 Joined: 9-November 06 From: San Jose, CA Member No.: 25,586 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Avneet |
Real nice way to Say Barack Osama. I'll be sure to not care about that imature comment. If anyone is going to make us lose our right to bear arms, it's pretty obvious what type of a person would.
-------------------- Leader of a Bay Area Team(more specifically San Jose) called Force of Nature.
Bay Area Airsoft League Owned: TM G36C-Upgraded and shooting 400FPS KWA New M9 Beretta PTP Full Metal 350FPS UTG L96-modified hop-up and air seal shooting 500FPS ![]() |
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Oct 22 2008, 11:05 AM
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![]() ASF Citizen Group: Member Posts: 100 Joined: 28-May 08 Member No.: 39,960 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for streetgang |
Real nice way to Say Barack Osama. I'll be sure to not care about that imature comment. If anyone is going to make us lose our right to bear arms, it's pretty obvious what type of a person would. Wooow I'm going to pull all my strength together not to start a flame war here. I just want to know how 16 year old me is going to make us americans lose our right to bear arms by calling him Barack Osama. My bad for having a sense of humor, I promise I won't next time. Pm me if you have a problem with that. -------------------- Idc what anyone says I still think Catch 22 is a good band, and even though Tomas left for Streetlight manifesto you have to think to yourself, "Sweet, now I got two good bands to listen to!".
What's people and their sigs? Honestly I don't see what the hype is all about. Oh and CA MP5A4. |
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Oct 22 2008, 03:14 PM
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![]() ASF Citizen Group: Elite Posts: 223 Joined: 9-November 06 From: San Jose, CA Member No.: 25,586 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Avneet |
I have no problem at all :D I know what I believe :]]
And everyone saying no to the state legislature. It's for people who play in public to have it neon, not people who play on real fields. The ones that give us a bad name :] -------------------- Leader of a Bay Area Team(more specifically San Jose) called Force of Nature.
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Nov 23 2008, 07:50 PM
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QUOTE California State Legislature wants to make it illegal to have airsoft guns in public without having them bright neon colors or clear. That might help reduce the number of idiots with airsoft guns, but it won't affect those who play responsibly, like most of us here. That's why walmart only has clear stuff? I never liked those guns, to silly. I found websites though. No more Cybergun for me. -------------------- The United States legislature wants YOUR internet. Get the inside scoop by subscribing for updates courtesy of the Mozilla foundation, makers of Firefox, the world's favorite open source browser.
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Nov 25 2008, 03:34 PM
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![]() Welcome to the Jungle Group: Elite Posts: 1,510 Joined: 14-June 08 From: Indiana Member No.: 40,563 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for StarvinMarvin |
That's why walmart only has clear stuff? I never liked those guns, to silly. I found websites though. No more Cybergun for me. No, because WalMart wouldn't make clear guns just because of California. It's partly so they don't look as real, but you can find tons of information through Google. |
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Nov 26 2008, 12:26 PM
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![]() ASF Citizen Group: Elite Posts: 390 Joined: 27-May 08 From: Huntsville Member No.: 39,922 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Eissaye |
Since Olympic shooting sports include air pistol shooting, and thats all covered by the NRA, since airsoft is technically an "air rifle" shouldn't the NRA be the best place to contact about adds and such?
I even saw a thing on the outdoor channel as I was channel surfing. This gun guy from the NRA was usingairsoft GBB's to prepare people who had never shot a gun for a real gun. -------------------- ![]() -I make sigs PM me if you need/want one. |
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Nov 26 2008, 05:04 PM
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![]() D4mnit isn't ASF Approved Group: Elite Posts: 1,893 Joined: 22-September 08 From: Michigan Member No.: 43,515 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Kilo Oscar Tango |
The first thing we have to do is get rid of all Walmart "Airsoft guns, Softair guns, airguns" whatever they call it. They really make Airsoft look like childsplay. They also allow people (mainly children) that are outside our Airsoft communities to obtain weapons without any regulation or enforcement. It's like allowing a person to have a real gun without a license.
Every single incident of Airsoft abuse has been from people that are not affiliated with any Airsoft forum or any Airsoft community. Since they aren't plugged into the communities they have no idea what legitimate games are going on in legitimate fields, and so they go to a local park and shoot at each other without eye protection and end up on the news. -------------------- There's no promise of safety with these second-hand wings,
but I'm willing to find out what impossible means, I climb through the heavens on feathers and dreams, cause the melting point of wax means nothing to me I will touch the Sun or I will die trying" Thrice |
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Nov 27 2008, 01:15 PM
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![]() ASF Citizen Group: Elite Posts: 390 Joined: 27-May 08 From: Huntsville Member No.: 39,922 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Eissaye |
The first thing we have to do is get rid of all Walmart "Airsoft guns, Softair guns, airguns" whatever they call it. They really make Airsoft look like childsplay. They also allow people (mainly children) that are outside our Airsoft communities to obtain weapons without any regulation or enforcement. It's like allowing a person to have a real gun without a license. Every single incident of Airsoft abuse has been from people that are not affiliated with any Airsoft forum or any Airsoft community. Since they aren't plugged into the communities they have no idea what legitimate games are going on in legitimate fields, and so they go to a local park and shoot at each other without eye protection and end up on the news. Agreed. But Wal-Mart is a multi-billion dollar corporation. They won't stop selling those as long as they are making money just because 200 people from a website ask them not to. You'd have to get a law passed prohibiting it. If that were to happen law-makers would think "If walmart cant sell them because it's dangerous, why should we let people own them?" And, bam, no more airsoft. Except illegal airsoft. And I for one don't want to go to jail for a hobby I love. Also, how would we buy them if they were illegal? One solution is to require a buyer to pass a short safety test, and possibly prove their ability with an airsoft gun before buying one. -------------------- ![]() -I make sigs PM me if you need/want one. |
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Nov 27 2008, 02:59 PM
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![]() D4mnit isn't ASF Approved Group: Elite Posts: 1,893 Joined: 22-September 08 From: Michigan Member No.: 43,515 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Kilo Oscar Tango |
Agreed. But Wal-Mart is a multi-billion dollar corporation. They won't stop selling those as long as they are making money just because 200 people from a website ask them not to. You'd have to get a law passed prohibiting it. If that were to happen law-makers would think "If walmart cant sell them because it's dangerous, why should we let people own them?" And, bam, no more airsoft. Except illegal airsoft. And I for one don't want to go to jail for a hobby I love. Also, how would we buy them if they were illegal? One solution is to require a buyer to pass a short safety test, and possibly prove their ability with an airsoft gun before buying one. Check out Great Britain's laws on Airsoft. Most view them as very annoying and unnecessary. There is a great difference between a retailer like Wal-mart carrying Airsoft guns and a dedicated, or semi-dedicated Airsoft shop. In an Airsoft shop the employees know about the products, safety procedures, and most importantly are usually part of the Airsoft communities in that State. The last time I was in my local shop, right after a sale was made to a brand new player the employee informed the customer about our State Airsoft Forum and told him to go there for games and information on how to get started. You will never see that in a Wal-mart or Dicks. I also saw the employee bluntly tell someone "no you don't want that" as he picked up a sniper rifle, explaining that it is a tough role to fill in which you will be outgunned all the time at the same range, and helped the customer to AEGs in the same price range, something you would never see at a general retailer. To me, it makes sense to only allow Airsoft products and accessories in dedicated or hobby-centered stores, and bar them in Wal-mart, Dicks, and other general retailers. The products Wal-mart and Dicks carry are known to be terrible, so we would not be losing a key distributor. It helps our image, keeps bad products away from people who don't know better, and helps ensure the player is plugged into the community. Wal-mart and other retailers would simply argue it is their right to carry any lawful product under their discretion. That is why we need regulation to ensure only hobby-centered and Airsoft shops carry Airsoft products and accessories. Look at the cases of Airsoft abuse, most if not all could have been prevented with knowledgeable staff helping the customer, and the local Airsoft Community. -------------------- There's no promise of safety with these second-hand wings,
but I'm willing to find out what impossible means, I climb through the heavens on feathers and dreams, cause the melting point of wax means nothing to me I will touch the Sun or I will die trying" Thrice |
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Nov 27 2008, 03:49 PM
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![]() ASF Citizen Group: Elite Posts: 390 Joined: 27-May 08 From: Huntsville Member No.: 39,922 Your Temperament Score? Trader Rating: 0 (0%) Add Feedback for Eissaye |
Check out Great Britain's laws on Airsoft. Most view them as very annoying and unnecessary. There is a great difference between a retailer like Wal-mart carrying Airsoft guns and a dedicated, or semi-dedicated Airsoft shop. In an Airsoft shop the employees know about the products, safety procedures, and most importantly are usually part of the Airsoft communities in that State. The last time I was in my local shop, right after a sale was made to a brand new player the employee informed the customer about our State Airsoft Forum and told him to go there for games and information on how to get started. You will never see that in a Wal-mart or Dicks. I also saw the employee bluntly tell someone "no you don't want that" as he picked up a sniper rifle, explaining that it is a tough role to fill in which you will be outgunned all the time at the same range, and helped the customer to AEGs in the same price range, something you would never see at a general retailer. To me, it makes sense to only allow Airsoft products and accessories in dedicated or hobby-centered stores, and bar them in Wal-mart, Dicks, and other general retailers. The products Wal-mart and Dicks carry are known to be terrible, so we would not be losing a key distributor. It helps our image, keeps bad products away from people who don't know better, and helps ensure the player is plugged into the community. Wal-mart and other retailers would simply argue it is their right to carry any lawful product under their discretion. That is why we need regulation to ensure only hobby-centered and Airsoft shops carry Airsoft products and accessories. Look at the cases of Airsoft abuse, most if not all could have been prevented with knowledgeable staff helping the customer, and the local Airsoft Community. true. -------------------- ![]() -I make sigs PM me if you need/want one. |
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