Alright as you saw in the title, I am willing to spend up to $200 and I am looking for a decent Sniper rifle. I have heard both good things and bad things about the UTG M324 and it seems that the USR-11 is only good if you upgrade it. Don't even mention the super 9 NO! The TM G-spec looks good but I haven't found anywhere that will sell it for within my budget including shipping. The normal VSR-10 looks exactly the same as the USR-11 is there any difference? Which is the best entry-level rifle stock?

Well, sounds like you have done some research.


Sadly, I don't think I can help you with making magic with $200. There is one law of universe: you get what you pay for. If you don't mind a used gun, get a used one and replace whatever parts that needs replacing. I have seen Marui VSR with scopes and bi-pods and sime minor upgrades go for around $200 on ebay. Of course, I don't trust sellers who have less than 100% ratings. That way, you can do relatively well with $200.


Every gun will be a so-so gun, if you do not upgrade. If you think you can spend $200 up front and not spend any money after, don't buy anything. Or... get a UTG M325. Many find it an excellent gun, so you might be completely satisfied with it.


VSR-10 and USR-11 are substantially the same. Similar enough that they take same upgrade parts. But they are not the same. USR is cheaper and there is a reason. USR-11 has two-piece stock. The stock has right half and left half and they are put together. VSR has sturdier one piece stock. USR-11 is easier to remove the pin on the cylinder head. Front sling attachment is plastic in USR so you do need modifications to fit a bi-pod. VSR is metal. People mention misfed BBs and not cocking at times on USR, but I never heard of that kind of problems with my VSR. You pay extra for these quality control issues.

Since you have indicated that you are not interested in Super 9, I take it that you would want some quality gun. If that's the case, you have already decided to go with Tokyo Marui. I have never seen UTG M324, so I cannot tell you anything about it, except that I have seen no one complaining about VSR. So, do you want a confirmation on VSR? Yes, it's a good gun. Excellent quality. But as with any other sniper, you won't be able to snipe anybody unless you upgrade.




Here is what you can do with a VSR.



If you like G-spec, wait until you have about $250 or $270. Personally, I think that it's hard to make any gun a proper sniper for under $200. Believe me, I started out with a $235.

I like the sleeker traditional look of Pro-sniper. I know some say that G-spec looks way better. But it's a personal choice. You couldn't convince me that G-spec looks better than Pro-sniper, and I probably cannot convice you that Pro-sniper looks better, because it's all personal preference. And I did not plan on much upgrade, so I went with Pro-sniper, which is said to be most accurate of the three versions of VSR-10 in its stock form.

Whatever you get, you can get a 120 spring with it. For about $220, I got a pro-sniper and a 120 spring plus shipping. I got some nice BBs so I paid $235.

Drill out the cylinder pin, open up the cylinder head and put the 120 spring. Don't forget the plumber's teflon tape and don't forget to lube the piston, and especially the sears. There is a guide to how to do it in VSR section. http://www.airsoftforum.com/board/VSR-Cylinder-Pin-Removal-t39751.html



[INITIAL UPGRADE]---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

With a 120 spring, you can enjoy reasonable accuracy and range. Unless you play with guys who have highly modified AEGs, you can tag them before they can. Enjoy your gun. I recommend Marui 0.3g, they are very accurate, or at least Maruzen Super Grandmaster 0.29g BBs. With these, you should be able to tag a head from 100 feet. Your reasonable range will be about 130-150 feet. G-spec, I don't know. It's got much shorter barrel, so accuracy does suffer just a tad.

After several thousand shots, piston sear will show signs of wear. It might not cock as well. Or worse, trigger sear could snap. Not very likely with a 120 spring, but it might happen. What's far, far more likely is that you will want more power or accuracy before anything is wrong with your sears.

If that's the case, you can get a 130 spring. It will had twenty feet to your range. But nothing much. And sears will fail much sooner.

Also you can get a tightbore from the start. Your initial investment including the gun would be close to $300. But that will add accuracy and you will enjoy your gun for a long while without feeling the need for another upgrade, unless you get an opponent sniper who's got longer reach than you.


[MID RANGE UPGRADE]----------------------------------------------------------------------------------


If you want the next step, save $150. Spend $50 for a tightbore, $40 for Deep Fire Sear set, $20 for spring guide stopper, and $20 for a 150 spring, $20 for shipping. You can even get a 170 spring. I think 150 is enough for me, so I don't plan on getting 170 though. 150 is not too hard to pull, but it still takes some force. That gets annoying after a while. A 150 spring will give you about 500 feet per second. For the most part, that's enough.

Now, your can tag a head from 150 feet. Big standing torso from 200 feet.

By this stage, you would have spent about $500 because, chances are you got a scope and a bi-pod and other accesories, and most people satisfy at this stage. I belong to this group.




[HIGH END UPGRADE]------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


But if you want more, you can certainly do more. Get AEG air chamber and 630mm or longer tightbore barrel and fit onto Pro-sniper and a silencer. G-spec wont' be able to go this far. [Then again, by this point you might have already changed the outer barrel, so it wouldn't matter.] It would look ridiculously long, but with a 170 spring you might be able to tag a head from 200 feet, and hit a standing man from 300 feet. Of course to get this point you are likely have spent money on piston, cylinder, cylinder head, etc, and spent about $1000 though. When people say "fully upgraded", you will find people who have done this much to get a 12 inch groupings from 300 feet. I haven't seen many people who have gone this far with VSR though. There is a theory that VSR is not suitable for going this far, but Japenese market does have parts for going full out. So I am sure there are people who does "full upgrade."



It's your money, and only you know how far you will go. If you think you will not modify your gun, get a USR. You can take out the metal jacket on your piston and you will find that your USR shoots like it has a 110 spring in it. Because it does. To compensate for the weight of the piston jacket, it has a stronger spring. By taking out the metal weights, you will shoot close to 380 fps. For some, that's enough.


If you want more upgrade possibilities, get a VSR.




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This post has been edited by Von Luck: Jul 11 2006, 01:38 PM

That is a very good post man.
My friend had the same issue, he had 200 limit and bought a usr-11 and a laylax 170 spring, piston and other internal parts for it. For about 190 something shipped, and hes still waiting for the parts as he ordered about 2 days ago.
The dude at hotspot told him it would be shooting at least 550+fps and he shoudl use .36bb's in it.

I think youd almost be better off using a KJW M700 for 190 over seas.

A 170 spring?


Without sears and a spring guide stopper? Piston is the last thing he should buy, I think. It adds weight so muzzle velocity suffers and adds strains to internals. If he didn't get sears, original sears will not last long.

KJW M700 is an excellent choice for $200. It's a gas gun so there is gas pressure variations that shows on the groupings. And temperature is a big factor. But given all that, I heard many good things about KJW M700.





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This post has been edited by Von Luck: Jul 11 2006, 11:58 AM

Wow, that's one of the better posts I've ever seen... after that I'm pretty sure that I am going to save up a little and go with a VSR-10 G-spec and upgrade as I go along the cheapest I found it for was at Hotspotairsofthowever, if anyone can find a site that sells it for cheaper that doesn't cost $70 to ship from asia then that would be great.

This post has been edited by JDaPyro345: Jul 12 2006, 08:25 AM

Trinityairsoft has it for $215 and are located in the US.

Link:
http://www.trinityairsoft.com/pc-83-20-tok...irsoft-gun.aspx

Alright all of the stuff I have read regarding the Pro version and the G-spec say that the Pro is money better spent because of the accuracy and power. So instead of spending the extra $45 I'm just going to get

Tokyo Marui VSR-10 Pro-sniper $170-trinityairsoft
VSR-10 mount $17-airsoftatlanta
4X32 leapers scope $30-Walmart :)


EDIT: On second thought guys, I've been reading through the sniper forums a lot and I've decided that sniping just isn't for me. Maybe later down the line when I can afford to upgrade a gun I can actually compete with but for now I think I am just going to invest in a decent AEG first. $200 just isn't enough to be a sniper. I hope that this thread may continue to help others considering the role. It's just not for me, and I realize this and accept it. But thank you for the help, the posts were very informative.

This post has been edited by JDaPyro345: Jul 13 2006, 11:02 AM

Too bad ^.

Anyways, is a 4x32 enough pretty much for any midrange sniper, or is a 3x9x40 better if you plan on upgrading to somewhere around 500-550?

This post has been edited by theskyisblue: Jul 13 2006, 05:03 PM

In my opinion, it's depending on your sniping style. Are you the low profile guy sneak-up and get as much as "surrender" as you can or are you the fast pace guy who is mobile yet picking people head from 200ft away before they get to you?
+ If you are a low-profile sniper then go with 4x32 because you have time to aim, 32mm (I think) diameter scope is smaller and more compact. That means less noticeable.
+ If you like me ... a half sniper half Normal-EAG's intel guy than go with 3-9x you want to see farther, clearer, and more view such as 40mm scope or even 50mm. This way you can keep up with the group and give them accurate information what's coming ahead for most of them have 1xScope.

Typically a sharp shooter only need 4x for 200ft to 300ft away. But if you're not really sure, and want to pick the guy head every single time at 200ft with 500fps and .29g BBs ... Go with 5 to 6X maybe 7x... which essentially your second choice. K-mart or Wal-mart Tasco 3x9x40 is like 29.99 + 9.99 per scope ring + tax (Darn I hate tax) should cost you under $45 and read to use. I enjoy more when I can see the BB go straight at the guy face-mask

Ebay may be crap for buying airsoft guns, but you can get optics and other various sniping supplies for dirt cheap. With a scope that is 3-9 can you zoom between the two or are you limited to three or nine?

Nah It is from 3 to 9 which means you can unlimited # of zoom setting ... for 430 shooting I find it useful at 5.5 to 6x zoom. But that's just me!

do you happpen to have a link? thanks

I like the KJ works M700
but it's hard sometimes because you have to bring down your fps for matches because it shoots pretty hot.
my friends, stock ,kronoed(is that right spelling?)590 consistantly with green gas and .2 bb's,
teddE

During my little stage of trying to figure out what it was that I exactly wanted to be. I played a few games as an assault style player and it was fun. So then I decided to save up because I couldn't make up my mind whether or not I wanted an AEG or to be a sniper. So finally after I had saved up about $250 I had to make up my mind. I got a VSR. And I am happy to say that this has been the best purchase of my airsoft playing career. So to answer my own question about what you can get for $200, you should save up a little more.

ok I know u said don't mention the super 9 but if u get one for 80$ I can walk you through upgrading and modding it. all the parts to mod it will cost under 100$ and mine is better than my upgraded vsr trust me it is. my vsr has a 300% spring in it

please, PLEASE read the dates on the posts, PLEASE!

It's a pinned topic, so any further information would be useful.

Exuse my newbness but is it hard or very risky to mod the VSR-10 PRO SNIPER G-SPEC because I am the worried type

No. It's really safe. You could just get the tefloned cylinder with a spring guide, spring and a piston. Also get a zero trigger and the upgrades will just be unscrewing a few parts and putting them in. That will cost you $385-ish but you could just pay $100 and get the same preformance. If you are more spacific on what you are looking for in the VSR section you will get alot more help.

Another option for under $200 would be the UTG MK96. I'm just saying this becuase no one mentioned it in a thread about cheaper sniper rifles, but it is in fact out there.

Yeah im looking to get the MK96 myself. Ive been researching it and its got some amazing specs for the price. 450-480 stock FPS, amazing accuracy (all shots within 2 inch diameter at 200 feet), and a free bipod. all for $165.

Does anyone know if there is a difference between the WELL L96 and the UTG L96? They have a large price gap and I was wondering if the internals are different or if the performance is different?

Yes. Some say UTG makes some lsight improvements in internals. The extra price is worth it because of the availbility of aftermarket replacement parts and waranty, and the UTG comes with a bipod

for all of you thinking about the utg L96 GO FOR IT!

I was getting incredible shots at aprox. 200 ft and so far its held up really good

www.redwolfairsoft.com has the g-spec for 195.99 and the pro and shock for 159.99 which is super cheap!

I don't think you included the shipping prices from hong kong. ;)
I've also heard that they paint the tip really messily, but you can just ask them to put electrical tape on it instead.

one website.......www.poweredgeusa.com

they have the G-spec for 215.00 not bad....But who ever said that "you get what you pay for" is absolutly right. I found that this applies to EVERYTHING in life............lol

EDIT: poweredge is US based too(Well sort of....Hawaii)

This post has been edited by Kryder6: Jul 29 2007, 12:16 PM

This would go for someone in question about the UTG L96 (infamously: AWP [from Counter-Strike]):
It's basically a replica of the more expensive Maruzen Type96, which is a replica of the real L96 that the British use. Meaning, you can swap MOST of the internals (I don't think all) and use parts meant for the Maruzen Type96 to the UTG L96. People say the stock on the Maruzen Type96 is stronger.

So, again, you get what you pay for (minus the shipping). With that said, accurately sniping from 300+ feet is NOT CHEAP!

If you are interested in the Type96/L96/T96/Whatever, try the topics listed under 'Maruzen APS Series'. There's probably all the info you would need, but, sadly, none of the useful answered topics are pinned =/ There's only about 7 pages of topics, so it shouldn't be that hard.

Some people in that section have bought and upgraded the UTG Type96 - ask them about it as well.

Hope this helped
~Ballzley

This post has been edited by Ballzley: Jul 29 2007, 10:34 PM

If I were you I would wait till you have sufficient funds, this may be difficult, but you will be happy in the ending

Get a KJW M700 for $150 and use red gas.

It's been more than a year since he started this topic. Plus Red Gas would probably wear the gun out quickly if not break it.

I recommend the utg mk96 to anyone who is lacks the money to get a higher end rifle, stock, you can be pretty consistent at 200 feet, also, it is FULLY COMPATIBLE WITH ALL AFTERMARKET PARTS FOR THE MARUZEN, I just put 650 dollars worth of aftermarket parts for the maruzen into my mk96 and everything fit perfectly.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but if you were willing to put $650 in parts, why didn't you just get the actual Maruzen?

This is just to von luck: I believe the G-SPEC is more accurate than the PRO cause it has a tightbore. Also, the cheapest place to get the VSR-10s I've found is Redwolfairsoft.com

This might just show how much of a newbie I am, but depot53 sells a TM VSR-10 for $134.00. Its not a pro or g-spec though, so....

WOW! (not world of warcraft) I don't think TM makes any other VSR-10s other than the G-SPEC or the pro. But I'm not sure.

Also, I'm not sure but I think the G-SPEC has better accurasy since it has a tight bore even though it has a much shorter barrel than the PRO. Is this right?

That may be true in the stock form (although I doubt it), the vsr-10 pro has a longer inner barrel
which translates to better accuracy.

the G-spec and pro accuracy will potentially be the same stock. the pro does have a longer barrel, but the G-spec does have a tighter barrel.

It is a fact that a Pro is more accurate than a G-Spec in stock form. Once you start to upgrade though, you won't see a huge difference if you do it right.

For anyone who is new to this forum and may be having the same problem as presented here, may I reccomend the UTG Shadowops Sniper. This is Made after the Type 96 rifle (one of my favorites) and comes from the factory shooting somewhere between 450 and 500 fps with . 2 BBs. I have had mine since they came out and have had 0 problems out of it and it still shoots like a champ. One thing to note I would advise using .28 BBs in this rifle as the .2s just are not as accurate at the distances you can reach with this rifle especially as many places and big events (here in FL at least) require a 100 ft no shoot rule for Snipers.

Good luck and happy hunting

Deja out.