tell me what you think? any improvements on the basic loadout? let me know.. and I'll make improvements!

Thanks guys

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change your shirt to green

Looks good.

Like he said, might wanna work on the upper part of the outfit. And work on your shooting stance.........

Get a BDU jacket.

More rifle magazines.

Better your rifle stance.

He probably took it on a timer... didnt have time to get a correct stance...unless roger tucked himslef in that corner... then he has no exscuse.

Extend your stock. I think that will help.

And hold your rifle like a rifle instead of a paintball gun.... IE, use the foregrip how it was designed to be used. :) (one of my pet peeves in airsoft is guys who hold their rifles like paintball guns)

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/marines/z_usmc04
http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/marines/z_usmc08
http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/10t...ivision/d_mtn01
http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/10t...ivision/d_mtn07

etc etc



its not necessarily a paintball thing, its much more comfortable and less tiring to hold something wiht your hand in that position...as long as you don't hold onto the magazine and instead use the magwell there are really no detrimental effects..and from what I remember of a show I watched on disco channel, marines at camp pendleton getting marksmanship training were taught to fire with their hand in that exact position.


not trying to be the doushe, just defending because I too hold my m4 that way

Got ya there, BP.

personally, when ive fired an M16 like that,(real steel) the magazine got considerably warm when I wasnt wearing gloves.
thats why I hold mine NORMALLY

on the note of your stance, try leaning into it a bit more. otherwise it is fine(provided that is your stance)

This post has been edited by endofhartake07: Jan 14 2006, 10:37 PM

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/lib.../3-22-9/c07.htm

not to rain on the parade, but it is physically impossible to actually fire a weapon from a standing up position like that, because the front end is so heavy

the on;y time you might hold it that way would be if you had it on top of something like a window-sill or sandbags

Physically impossible, huh? Then..how did I do it? Ive fired M4s, and Ive held one like that before. I fired it. Am I special?

Hold it what way? By the mag well or mag?

it is most definitely not physically impossible. its physically possible and more comfortable--an m4 is NOT front heavy, theres a lot more weight in the receiver then the barrel. an airsoft m4 is actually more front heavy then the real steel since the battery is in the foregrip--and I still find it way more comfortable to hold it on the magwell.



not to mention youre not really raining on my parade, go look at the photos, its clearly an implemented and even suggested method (check the army manual I linked to as well). firing a weapon is just like learning to ride a bike--everyones got a different technique, different style...but as long as it gets the job done safely and accurately in the end it doesnt really matter.



and for clarification--I didnt post any of the above posts in order to stir up a storm or "PWN" anyone, I merely posted them to show that it is a plausible and used method in the real combat spectrum, to suggest an alternative and to defend the original posters stance. its a shame it got taken so far off topic after I did that.


but to take it back on topci--sealteam I would ditch the black shirt, esp for night youll stick out like a sore thumb. otherwise its coming along well.

This post has been edited by paradigmsk8er: Jan 14 2006, 11:46 PM

Wow you guys are really bossy. Do this, do that, don't stand that way, wear this. What about personal prefrence? Everybody has their own way of doing things it would suck if we did things all the same

He asked for improvment ideas!

yeah your right I didnt read the whole thread, what an

it IS physically impossible to fire a real steel M-16 like that, so, if you are trulely Milsim, then you shouldn't be firing like that

Have you fired an M16 or M4 real steel? Obviously not, becuase then you'd know it's NOT IMPOSSIBLE.

yes I have fired an AR-15, and if it had been an M-16 then it would have been even more front heavy

have any of you guys actually held a full-size M-16 by the magwell while aiming it?

you HAVE to hold it by the front handgaurd, there's no other way



and if you want to continue this argument, perhaps somewhere else, so we don't dirty up this poor kid's topic

if this is for night, I would suggest getting a long sleeved under armor shirt...great for weather, and your less of a target. I always laugh at the people wearing big honkin' sweatshirts out there playing. Cause if a bb happens to wing your shirt you've still been hit



I guess if you were going from the military standpoint, but I guess if it were airsoft and not having hard kicking guns (see the fact that it fires small 6mm bb's) I wouldn't worry about it too much...haha but if going to go into the military, then I definately don't suggest shooting it like a paintball gun :)

Back on topic.

Like everybody before me has said (almost exclusively), I would suggest a shirt that is either brown or OD. You could get long-sleeved UnderArmor if you like to cover your arms, but sometimes it can be expensive (depending on what type you buy: ColdGear, HeatGear, etc.). Also, I notice you have a pistol lanyard, which is a good saftey measure in case you accidently drop your pistol. Me personally, I don't use them (I prefer using a Desert Eagle when I can).

I have a question, though. How many magazines do you have for your AEG? Also, how do you carry them. If you have, say, 4 or less, I'd suggest investing in a drop-leg mag pouch. Search around to find the best prices for that. (That is, unless you already have one or have a way to carry your spare mags that works for you.)

Also, since this is what you called your "Night Loadout," I'd suggest making sure everything fits relatively snug to keep from moving around and making excess noise. And you might want to find a way of securing that radio a little better. It looks like it's bearly holding on to your belt.

Just my thoughts, hope they help.

And it has an M203 and Laser unit.

In this one hes kinda holding it between the mag well and the end of the 203.

exactly, you must provide some sort of vertical support, which is what he is doing in the picture, you cannot support the wepon by holding it only at the magwell and the grip

Oh my F****** /THOU SHALT NOT USE MY NAME IN VAIN/! He is doing exactly what you are saying isn't possible. I tried doing this with my 870 last night which is probably twice as heavy last night. I put both my hands by the trigger guard and could still hold it fine. Just STFU.

what love.......

plain and simple:

YOU CANNOT FIRE AN M-16 REAL-STEEL BY SIMPLY HOLDING ONTO THE MAGAZINE WELL WITH YOUR HAND

YOU MUST HAVE YOUR HAND ON THE FOREGRIP TO SUPPORT THE WEAPON

Is something wrong with your caps lock or shift key? It looks like its stuck.

I don't think his mouse button is working correctly either since he cant click on the links to the pictures ??

Oh come on people. So far, out of the 30-some replies in this thread, only SEVEN are actually on topic! If this arguement is really that important, then take it to PMs and stop cluttering up sealteam060's thread.

Am I the only one who somties tries to hold the rifle as if their were a vetical grip there even though there isnt?

No hunk you aren't. Althought I do that an my pellet gun and only some times my M4.

NO YOU DON'T. I CAN NOT HOLD IT AT ALL, AND HOLD IT ONLY BY THE HANDLE, AND FIRE IT! IT WILL FIRE! ITS NOT LIKE THERES A FOREGRIP SAFETY!

And sealteam060, sorry for crapping on the thread, but I had to make a point. I think your loadout is nice; it'd be very concealed. The black is good; even in daytime, a lot of woodland background is black or gray.

This post has been edited by Leon Kennedy: Jan 15 2006, 10:33 PM

Thats an oxymoron.

My brother has an AR-10(7.62mm AR-15) with an extra long stock because of his huge arms. I fired it from the mag well perfectly fine! Im only 13 and not that strong. If some one is comfortable shooting from their let them. If it works and protects their lives and others, WHO CARES!

On topic now, I would change your shirt to an OD shirt or a BDU if you don't mind.

This post has been edited by Turbo Jaw: Jan 15 2006, 10:58 PM

I concure. Since I hadn't posted valuble information for you yet, I shall post too. I highly suggest Navy blue if you want a "black" top. Other wise a dark brown will be great.

It'll still mess up your accuracy. And airsoft wont save someones life. And if you do live in NJ like you location says I hope your house is raided by a SWAT team(if your brother lives at the same place)

yeah I pretty much concure with everyone......FIX IT OR um don't fix it.........

Same as Loe really. Change your top and you'll be golden. If not, I've played a few games in a black t-shirt. Plus I'm one of those camo killing Black Vest wearers. I have confidence that your stance was that way just at the time, but if you fight that way, go with comfort and effect. If you can take some names with that stance, more power to you.