Okay, for all the newbies who want full auto power, but can't spend $300 on an AEG I've written some awesome, all encompasing, and unmatched reviews. I also compiled some general info, brands, and prices. Just remember-these are not really AEGs! They shoot full auto, but can be compared to mini electrics.

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Starter AEG’s

Most serious airsofters use three hundred dollar Tokyo Marui AEG’s with ‎selective fire and adjustable Hop-Up that shoot 300 fps stock. For the people who can’t ‎afford those, but either hate springers, or really want the feel of automatic fire in a 1/1 ‎scale gun, there are “starter AEG’s”. Starter AEG’s are cheap plastic guns with internals ‎only slightly better than that of mini’s. They are underpowered, break constantly, and ‎are almost un-aim able, but they only cost about fifty dollars.‎

There are two major companies that make starter AEG’s; CYMA and Neonfire. ‎CYMA is a crappy Chinese brand that also goes by the name Well. Neonfire ‎is-believe it or not-even worse than CYMA. Their products are the definition of crappy ‎toy airsoft products and are even more prone to breaking. Neonfire guns frequently use ‎‎“hopper” style magazines, which means the bb’s rattle around inside, and the gun won’t ‎fire unless you hold it level. KWA also makes some starter AEG’s. Double Eagle is commonly thought of as "another name for CYMA"-I thought that until I was recently corrected. Their guns are supposed to look a little bit better, and shoot a tiny bit harder than CYMA guns. CSI only makes a ‎starter AEG from what I’ve seen-if you know of any other guns they make tell me. I ‎didn’t know this until I got my Cheaper Than Dirt magazine yesterday, but Everblast ‎makes several “1/1 scale fully automatic airsoft replicas” that cost a little bit more than ‎the others. I don’t know if they’re better or not. Someone buy one and tell me.‎


CYMA/Well/DE:‎
‎-MP5J-$50 ‎
-MP5 A5-$30
‎-AK-47 Spetnaz-$40
-M4 A1-$90
‎-M4 Tactical Style-$55‎
‎-G36-$60‎
‎-Seal Commando Rifle (actually a Sig .552)-$30‎
‎-A version of the P90-$30

Neonfire:‎
‎-P90 V2-$39‎
‎-M4 Freedom Fighter-$60‎
‎-M4 Navy Commando-$60‎
‎-G36C Elite Commando-$50‎

KWA:‎
‎-M933 Commando-$50‎

Everblast:‎
‎-P90-$60‎
‎-M4 Carbine-$70‎
-Model 36 (a G36 with a silencer)

CSI:‎
‎-MP5 SD6-$40
-AUG Assasin-$50
-XM8 Sand Spider-$80

BE
-H&K XM8-$60
-Steyr AUG

Crosman/Softair
-Pulse R70-$50

From what I’ve heard from owners (on ASF) the KWA M933 Commando is the ‎best starter AEG in terms of quality, looks, and range/accuracy. The CYMA Sig .552 ‎looks and feels like a toy, but it shoots with reasonable range and accuracy. Its ‎performance is similar to that of a $20 spring pistol. Neonfire makes the worst guns. ‎They look and feel cheap. They shoot like $3.99 spring pistols and are extremely prone ‎to breaking. If you’re going to get a starter AEG I suggest you get either a KWA gun or ‎a CYMA (believe it or not).‎

As an update on this subject, I think now that UTG, BE, and CSI now make the best LPEG/Starter AEGs. Their guns are a great improvement on quality and power. You can now buy an actual AEG-with a little less power and not as good of materials-for less than $120. Avoid CYMA/Well, Neonfire, and Softair at all costs.


UPDATE

Recently, a new brand, UTG, has been growing. UTG makes good quality, reliable copies of more expensive guns that cost little compared to large brand AEGs. Since it's a new company there haven't been any long term ownerships, and thus, no reviews of older guns. So I can't tell you how long these guns will last, but the quality is pretty good and I bet they'll last longer than CYMA and Neonfire guns. UTG AEGs are also much more powerful and "professional" than other cheap brands. They aren't as "toyish" as expected for $100 AEGs. They don't have many guns now, but at the rate UTG is growing they'll probably have most common gun types within a year or two (of January, 2006).

UTG Guns
-Navy SEAL MP5 A4/A5-$109
-AK-47 WarHawk (Romanian Ak-47)-$140

The Navy Seal MP5 A4/A5 is almost an exact copy of the Tokyo Marui MP5. It shoots at about 260fps with .2g bbs and has a range of 110-120 feet. It shoots 800 rounds per minute-much higher than other starter AEGs. On www.shortyusa.com it got almost all five star reviews.
The AK-47 WarHawk is an amazing gun for the price. It fires 280fps with .2g bbs and 825 rounds per minute. It has an effective range of 150 feet but it can shoot 170 feet. 600 round Hi-Cap and 160 round Mid-Cap, as well as 30 round standard magazines are available. The fake wood is better than that of the Tokyo Marui and the gun weighs in ag a whole seven pounds! A CYMA AK-47 only weighs 3 pounds. The www.shortyusa.com ratings of this gun were good, but some complained about the durability.
UTG guns are perfect for the semi-serious airsofter. The airsofter who loves airsoft and wants to play seriously, but just doesn't have the money for it... Or the casual airsofter, who has the money but doesn't want to spend it on airsoft because he's not that interested. I recommend these over any other starter AEG. I'll even recommend these over expensive guns for people who don't play on professional teams.



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The Neonfire P90‎
Cost-$39‎



Introduction: ‎
I see the Neonfire P90 everywhere. It is a very common crappy gun. It looks ‎cool, especially with the silencer on, but shoots like crap. It is all plastic with a Hopper ‎magazine that holds 400 bbs. It uses .12 gram bbs. It weights a little less than three ‎pounds with the battery in it. ShortyUSA says it shoots 638 rounds per minute, but I ‎think it’s more like 500. It shoots faster than a mini, but the range and accuracy are ‎close. Anyway, this gun is not expected to last more than a month after purchase. My ‎friend got one of these and piece after piece broke. The plastic cracks and breaks. Also, ‎the motor sounds weird, like a toy. ‎
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Magazine:‎
The Hopper style magazine on this gun is really horrible. It holds 400 rounds, ‎but they aren’t held in place or anything. They shake around. I would have some tested ‎ROF information on this gun, but you can’t shoot for any length of time without re ‎positioning the gun and shaking the hopper. When you start to run low on bbs it’s really ‎hard to fire because the bbs roll by the hopper and won’t go in. If you don’t hold the gun ‎level the bbs won’t feed in either.‎



The Battery:‎
The Neonfire P90 takes the standard starter AEG 7.2 V NI-Cd. But, unlike the ‎CYMA, the Neonfire battery is square and fits easily into the stock of the gun. It lasts ‎forever like the CYMA, but an extra battery is included in the package just in case. ‎


Durability:‎
Being a Neonfire, this gun is cheap, flimsy, and easily breakable. The internals ‎can break, snap, and die. A common problem is stripping a gear. Firing for more than 3 ‎seconds is forbidden, according to the gun’s instructions. The outside plastic is flimsy ‎and will crack if dropped. It feels like a toy, but looks good from a distance. According ‎to owner reviews, the silencer is prone to snapping off.‎

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Accuracy:‎
This gun has rails on it, but sights or scopes are useless because the bbs usually ‎float up to three feet off target. That might not sound like that much, but when you’re ‎shooting at a target the size of a person fifty feet away accuracy that poor causes a ‎problem. The silencer does not improve accuracy of this gun at all. I think part of the ‎problem is that the light .12 gram bb’s fly so slow that they are easily blown off course, ‎which brings us to…‎


Range and Power:‎
ShortyUSA says the P90 shoots at 140 fps. I think they’re right. I don’t have a ‎chronograph, or an airsoft field with one, but this gun barely dented the can when I did a ‎‎“Coke can Chrono”. I don’t, however, agree with ShortyUSA’s effective range for this ‎gun. They said that it shoots 20-25 feet. I found it has an effective range of 60-70 feet ‎but, the bb’s move so slowly that you can easily step out of their path. As for the power, ‎there is none. I can hold this gun and shoot myself in the chest with just a t-shirt on and ‎it just stings a tiny bit. From 5 feet away it bounces off clothes harmlessly. ‎


What other people had to say about it (from www.shortyusa.com):‎
‎“The gun looks fearsome on first glance, but your opponent will quickly find that ‎it does not hurt much, except on skin at close range.”‎

‎“This gun is worthless. The mini AEG's fire farther than this. Though, like it says ‎above, it is a good replica. If the mini AEG's are for toddlers than this might be for 5 and ‎‎6 year olds, considering that it is a 1:1 scale model.”‎

‎“All in all, this gun was ok. Its silencer broke really easy. The battery in it lasts ‎a while, because it doesn’t have that much power. It can hold a tremendous amount of ‎bb’s. I recommend using the strap to strap it on as a backup gun.” ‎

‎“The P90 as seen in Stargate SG-1 is a very cool weapon. But, there are some ‎flaws. For one you have to tilt the gun Backward when you are shooting, and it lacks in ‎anti toy solider combat, BUT if you need to lay some covering fire on an enemy position, ‎it works great. While your firing no one near you will dare move. The gun is very loud so ‎that also installs extra fear. I do recommend gun lube to increase power. My only ‎problem with the gun is the clip. As stated above, you need to hold the gun back to get ‎the ammo flowing this is especially Annoying when you are standing up and you have it ‎shouldered. AND don’t expect to load it quickly. It takes me forever to get a full clip but ‎when you pull the trigger everybody runs, ducks, and stays low until I’m done shooting. ‎‎(Even when there are no bullets flying out) But all and all I think it’s a pretty good ‎Covering/spray and pray.”‎

If you’re wondering; yes, I did select certain bit and pieces of people’s reviews, but I took ‎the bits and pieces that best conveyed the general review.‎


Conclusion:‎
This gun looks cool and shoots fast, but lacks range, power, accuracy, and ‎durability. If you want a 1/1 scale automatic gun at a low price I recommend going with ‎a better starter AEG. If you’re hell bent on having an automatic P90 because you’re ‎addicted to Stargate this would make a good wall decoration. If you’re stupid enough to ‎actually buy one after reading this review, it would only stand a chance in a CQB game ‎against springers, minis, or other starter AEG’s. Don’t expect it to last very long either. ‎It will probably break in half one day while you’re plinking around. ‎






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The CYMA Seal Commando ‎
Cost-$50‎




Introduction:‎
The CYMA Seal Commando, Agressor, or Sig .552 (yeah, lotta names) is much more ‎durable and powerful then the Neonfire P90, but it still can’t compare to a real AEG. I ‎have seen it used in games, and it can compete with spring rifles. ShortyUSA said that it ‎shoots 645 rounds per minute. I tested that, clocking the time to empty thirty-two ‎rounds. I found that it has an okay ROF-480 rpm-with a charged battery, which is good ‎for mini internals, but that also means the mag doesn’t last long. Yes, that’s right; a real ‎magazine.‎


Magazine:‎
Instead of a hopper like the Neonfire guns the CYMA has a thirty-two round ‎magazine. As a bonus for the gun’s looks, the magazine has fake 5.7mm bullets inside. ‎The magazine is a pain to load because you have to press a button in horizontally, and ‎compress the spring to put a bb in. After you’ve done all that work to load the mag you ‎put it in the gun and in about four seconds it’s time to reload again.‎


The Battery:‎
Like almost all starter AEG’s the Seal Commando takes a 700 mAh NI-Cd re ‎chargeable battery. The problem with the battery is that, unlike the P90’s battery that ‎goes in the stock, it has to go in the front of the gun. The battery is triangular and you ‎really have to cram it in to get it to fit. I’d better show you a picture of this. Sorry about ‎the quality. It’s on a webcam.‎



It is a battery made by CYMA and you can’t find them anywhere. Your chances of ‎finding a second one are almost non-existent. Luckily, you don’t have to re-charge it ‎very often because it lasts forever. Since the gun uses so little power the battery can last ‎two or three games. But when you do have to charge it, it takes all night. ‎


Durability:‎
This gun is far more durable than the Neonfire P90. That doesn’t mean it’s good. ‎It is made out of cheap plastic and the vertical fore grip is prone to snapping of if you ‎bump it on something. The internals don’t wind and sound like they’re snapping. You ‎can fire it continuously without trouble, but it probably weakens the insides. Also, the ‎latch that holds the stock in place doesn’t do its job very well, and the stock can pop open ‎and swing to the side. Although it has its little durability flaws in the cosmetics I don’t ‎think it’s the kind of gun that will break in half if you drop it. It should last a good year ‎if you take care of it.‎


Accuracy:‎
Don’t expect to snipe anyone at seventy yards with this gun. It is accurate ‎enough to hit a man sized target sixty to seventy feet away, assuming that the target is ‎fully exposed and not running. With a short burst you should be able to get a bb or two ‎inside the hole of a bird house, or nock over a Coke can. Past seventy to eighty feet ‎though, the bbs curve to the sides or just drop to the ground.‎


Range and Power:‎
ShortyUSA says that this gun shoots 135fps with an affective range of sixty to ‎eighty feet. I think their estimate of the affective range is good, but they probably ‎underestimated the fps. I think that it shoots at more like 200 fps with .12 gram bbs. It ‎has enough power to sting at close range. Someone can dodge the bbs though. If ‎someone is more than about fifty feet away they can jump out of the way or duck behind ‎something.‎


What other people had to say about it (from www.shortyusa.com):‎

‎“I don't even feel like wasting my time to give an adequate review to this piece of ‎junk here. Can't shoot, loads slow, small range, weak fails to describe how much power ‎this gun has. This gun is so intense; I could scare only the most seasoned wuss. Save your ‎money, buy something economical and long lasting, like marshmallow peeps.”‎

‎“Well the gun is good it has many accessories with it. I play airsoft a lot and it’s a ‎good gun to use but there’s only 1 clip and you can’t buy any other clips that’s the only ‎really problem I have with the gun is its magazine. And it’s not even a speed load it’s the ‎kind you have to push them down with like a stick but it’s a pretty good gun”‎

‎“When I got this gun I couldn’t wait to shoot it. it has good accuracy, but there ‎was already 1 problem. The mag only has thirty two rounds, but it didn’t bug me too ‎much. After a couple weeks the gun refused to shoot even with a fully charged battery. I ‎opened the gun and checked it out and found the plastic gear by the motor was ‎completely grinded away by the copper motor gear. So if you by any chance you should ‎immediately replace the gears inside the gun so it will keep working.
By any means save your money and get a higher quality gun and save yourself the hassle ‎of replacing parts of cheaper guns. I give this gun a 1 out of 5.”‎

‎“I don’t think the above reviews tell the true story, and the only way you can ‎break the gun is smashing it into a tree. I had this gun since when it came out and still ‎works great. I bought 2 add mags and gave it a green spray job. So how can you say its a ‎bad gun? Abuse maybe? Don’t know.”‎


I edited some of these for spelling and grammar, but no one wrote long reviews for this ‎gun so I didn’t have to cut certain parts. It’s all there.‎


Conclusion:‎
This gun is definitely a better gun than the Neonfire. Definitely consider this one ‎if you’re thinking about getting a starter AEG. It would be good for CQB or close range ‎scenarios. It might even stand up in a springer war. The quality seems good for a ‎CYMA. Although it lacks in power and magazine size it looks and feels pretty good. ‎

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This post has been edited by triggerhappy: Jan 15 2006, 07:22 PM

hey everyone I'm a total newbie when it comes to AEGs (I've only been springing it for a while) and I was thinking of getting http://www.affordableairsoft.com/AK47_Meta...G_p/a10-a47.htm this
gun and I was wondering if it is worth it.

hello, im pretty new to softair in general, the only thing I have is a marui d.eagle gas :P

me and my firend are planning to buy 2 rifles each, hes gonna buy 2x BE X8 (wich I don't buy
just due of theyr hestetical uglyness) AEG

and im gonna buy 2x double eagle G36C AEG

now, I heard my rifle has some issues on magazine shooting at semi-auto (the last 10 bullets
arent taken in from the magazine).

it also has a very low firepower (X8 .6j, g36c 0.25j *I heard*)
a bit inaccurate yet sturdy-ish

I don't pretend a review on this weap (even tho I'd love it), just what you guys
know about it and what should I expect from it.

either way, the 7.2V battery seems pretty uh, weak to me, and I hope the AEG
is powerful enough since I want to put a new energy source via hand-bricolage
(puttin togheter 10 AAA batteries should do), would it support it? and also, I dunno
how to/where to wrap the batts in those tight plastic wraps
also, im planning to take off the fake bullets on the magazine so I can fit
more then 30 stupid bullets wich sound pretty ridiculous considering its rate of fire

thanks for help anyway

-BB-

Yo, Aristocrat, are you sure thats not the utg ak-47? It doesn't say but looks alot alike. Thats probly what I'll get or a UTG mp5. And broken bone....I agree with the ugliness lol. Right now I've only got $80 but I can wait if I have to. It's just that I heard these mpegs are able to take on CAs and TMs. We ussualy play with minis, lpegs, and spring guns. The spring rifles can shoot 300fps and we also have a utg sniper (previously mine). So I'm down to utg Ak-47 or utg mp5. I kinda want to save money though couse I have no gear (just an S&W m4505 with 3 clips and a paintball mask).

As for the xm8, it performs pretty nice, but the build quality isnt the best, but it is nice. However, I don't think the double eagle g36 is that good. They suck, but double eagle is starting to get better. Anyways, it is crap, so get something better. The xm8 will beat it.

yeah I know the x8 is plain better in terms of joule range and a bit also of rps's.

but I really cant take its ugliness, its beyond conception.

also, I don't care to hurt my friends when I hit em, its not my intention, and I doubt
ill ever fire som1 at 40 meters, maybe 15 or so, wich x8 and g36c are
pretty the same I guess on accuracy, x8 just hurts way lot more.

do you know if double eagle g36c has some issue? I mean, I don't know if mehcanics
are in metal, so that worries me.
less powerful I cant take it, but I don't really want a gun that breaks after 1 month

and Darn, im so in love with g36c <3 ^-^)v

thanks for the help

-BB-

Why did he get executed!? Can u give me a link please?

Tell me if these pistols are any good?
Airsoft Dual USP Tomb Raider Black
http://socomtoys.com/oscommerce-2.2ms2/cat...products_id=153

Why did you even put that in here? This is for electric guns.



Aw, the xm8 is soo hot! Anyways, the cyma g36c is crap. I think the gearbox and everything is plastic.

Note UTG warhawk is made by Double Eagle in China, and the MP5 electric is made by the Well factory in China. The M4 UTG is also made by Well factory. You can find these guns cheaper under the product names M86 (warhawk), R5 for MP5, R-6 for M4. Good luck!!

I like how the call the front sight the "adjustable aimer"

Try not to get into CYMA, WELL, or even UTG guns. . . I started out with an SRC M4 RIS. I ordered it from Jungletoy in L.A. It was very powerful. Chronoed @ 320 FPS with .2g bb's out of the box. The one I had has a full metal RIS and Crane stock with battery. It had a good weight to it. Now they are out with metal bodies and upgraded internals. All the parts are Marui-aftermarket compatible. I turned mine into a "Dark Knights" M4. Saving your money instead of buying a lot of very cheap airsoft guns is best, you'll be more happy in the end. . .

First post, don't take this the wrong way, but how much did you pay for the gun? Every SRC gun I've seen costs way more than almost every gun listed in this thread (excluding the utg guns) and thats not the point of this thread.

Also, I need some help choosing a starter AEG. First off all, Ill name the biggest problem erm, I mean rule. The rule around here is that an AEG CANNOT shoot more than 235fps. Actually the rule is that its supposed to shoot near or under 200fps but I guess, they wont be able to tell if it shoots 235fps. The main reason for this rule is that most people use cheaper guns and nobody wants to drop several hundred on a relatively new hobby that could go out because somebody snitched or, what we are most afraid of, some idiot will see us playing, decide he wants to play, and then go out and buy a huge MG that shoots 800fps and then nobody is going to want to play. But with spring guns the limit is 300fps, and gas guns arent allowed yet.

Now that you know the backstory, I was looking at this thread, and I was trying to decide which gun would be best for me. The bad thing is, most of the reviews I see are either completely praising the gun, or saying its the biggest piece of junk ever put on the market. This is kind of confusing because people arent clear on the internet whats wrong with the gun. For me, Ill GLADLY take a gun that is decent in power and accuaracy but isnt too durable, because I baby the heck out of my guns. I really do, the most stress they will take is just from shooting. I seriously treat the guns I have right now as if they were made of glass. The area we play in is outdoor CQB woodland with only a few good places for cover. You cant really hide out here. Since this is on personal property, we have permission and everything to use it and we use paintball masks so yes we do have protection and rights to play on this area.

Now, with the introduction of more powerful guns, we might move to a bigger field to play in (of course after alerting 5-0 and nearby neighbors....) so accuracy and range is more important than fps although I know the guns arent going to be that great with the restrictions that we have. I was thinking about what gun to get and judging by shortyusa's ratings, the csi mp5 sd2 v2.0 is a great gun but it has been out of stock for ages. I'm just confused on what to get, and if all else fails then I am just going to get a UTG m87 sos shotgun and call it a day. Please resist the urge to flame me because I am asking about gun advice, (and the fact that I just looked up and noticed that I wrote a freakin' novel) but I did use the search button with not so great results, and the main reason I joined this forum is because it looked like a place filled with helpful people and I hope some of you's guys intelligence will rub off on me. Cmon guys we were all newbies once so take it easy. Yes I did tons of research but didnt find too much except that neonfire and CYMA arent good!

Capone, almost any Starter AEG would be good for you. The UTG guns are above your FPS limit and they're more expensive. Avoid Neonfire at all costs and consider a KWA, CSI, or Everblast. The specs are almost the same so pick the one that looks coolest .

You might have already decided you want an electric gun so I won't try to dissuade you, but you can have a lot of fun with a spring shotgun and for the same price you get a much more durable gun.

where did you hear this>?

arent those all junky brands and guns that bread pretty fast??

Take the CYMA AK off the list. The stock snapped when I took it out of the box, and the magazine never worked. WORST GUN EVER.

For those of you that can't read it says it is a csi (crap) at the bottom

Get the CYMA AK CM028. I got the one with folding stock for 80 shipped on EBAY. It is very heavy and shoots accurately. I was able to shoot through both sides of a soda can. The G&P midcap mags fit like a glove. If I were you I would get the one with full stock though so you could get bigger batteries.

Sorry to revive an old thread but I'd like to clarify: CYMA/WEll/DE are NOT the same. If you think that all LCAEGs are the same, YOU ARE WRONG.

The CYMA CM.028, CM.028s and CM.027 are the best of the LCAEGs. The AIM M4 is the best M4 under $200. www.m4airsoft.com is the place to get them.

The BE XM8 is great but the limited magazine capacity handicaps it.

UTG are good. But buy the CYMA AK's and MP5 over UTG's, unless you can get one for cheap and put some good internal upgrades in it.

The only WELL gun you should every buy is the R-8, everything else is scrap.



I do believe you got the CM.022.

This post has been edited by Sniper Sam: May 26 2006, 10:25 AM

Is it that hard to understand?!?! Kids like me have the money to buy a Tokyo Mauri or whatever gun, but I'm not into airsoft that much and just wanna play when my friends want to play a fun game. It is different for all people, serious Airsofters or ones that play just for fun. You don't have to go crazy about people not spending a lot on a gun just because they have other hobbies.

That is not a tokyo marui, but it is "compatible" with tokyo marui parts. It is a CSI all-black AK-47. I ordered that gun off of another site, and I haven't recieved it yet, but according customer reviews that I have read, it is supposed t be as good as the warhawk, which is supposed to be able to stand up to Tokyo Maruis and Classic Armys and ICSs, but I guess we'll just have to wait and see...

This post has been edited by akGunner: May 31 2006, 11:31 AM

I recently had this gun too, it only went like 20 feet and the mag got on my nerves. But, my freind dropped and it broke so he's buyin me a pistol and some bbs. Also I got mine for 30 bucks not 100.

ok guys im a complete Newbie at airsoft but I have been to a few wars I want to get a good gun an aeg and I want to start with 2 bateries because we play for a long time and I don't have the kind of cash roll to get a 200 dollar gun not enven a 100 dollar gun I just want a fun sightly reliable aeg that has a big clip or hopper. I don't wana sound too noobish or anything but I don't even have a job yet because I am only 14 years old I only have so much money I want something that will last me for a while and that will be fun thats all I have to say

My first AEG (and only) is from Well G3A3 SAS AEG from Airsplat.com, it was only $69.95 and it works great, plus comes with and extra high cap magazine, lasers and other stuff. All the guns I've bought offa Airsplat.com and SOCOMtoys.com are cheaply priced and work great for around 200 MILSIM games.

What are you doing? buying two cheapy pieces of crap when you can afford one decent UTG mp5 AEG?

ok thats cool but I was looking into the NeonFire Freedom M4 and it looks like it is predy cool and all what do you guys think

Anything other then CYMA, UTG or AIM are pretty much crap.

so you think that it would be a decent choice for 50 dolla

it a piece of



don't bother with it.


Save $100 bucks for a UTG mp5

ok but is there a different gun that isnt 100 dollars and not an mp5 I hate them more like a M4 or somthing mp5s are what everone has and... you know what I mean

the only decent low priced m4 AEG I can think of is the AIM m4($160 bucks)


Do you like AK 47s? You can get a decent low cost one for $120-$140 bucks.

I was looking into stuff what about the well r8

Looky looky, now we have UTG fanboy's!


Yes the WELL R-8 is a good buy. All their other guns are bad though.

Get the CYMA CM.027, CM.028 or CM.028s if you want an MP5, AK-47 or folding stock AK.

CYMA>UTG

Your dissing him for being a fan boy?! when your the biggest CYMA fanboy I've ever seen. CYMA is known for making crap. I've shot both the CYMA CM.028 and the UTG AK, and the UTG is by far better, Which is why I bought the UTG, the person that owned the CM .028 had it for a week and then something wore out/ snaped internally and their gun lost all of it's power. I have had the utg ak for 3-4 weeks now and I've put about 7000 rounds through it and it still shoots like brand new.

UTG>CYMA

This post has been edited by Chuckles: Jun 7 2006, 10:18 AM

Read the reviews, the facts speak for themselves. I'm not dissing UTG, I'm just saying CYMA is better.

I doubt that was even a real CM.028. If it was then it was one of the 1 in every 200 that's a lemon.

UTG has a much higher error percentage. 300fps+, 70% metal, better mags, cheaper. Saying the Warhawk is better then the CM.028 is ridiculous.

From reviews it sounds like the utg and cyma have the same performance, and where do you keep getting this 300 fps crap, eveywhere I've seen it's avertised at 280, and it says 280 on the reviews also. The utg and the cyma have the same metal content, they both have metal gearboxes, and most of the cosmetic parts are metal on both, but the bodies are both plastic, and since you most likely got the 70% metal thing from reviews, I have also seen reviews that say the utg is 70% metal(I'm not going to dissaseble my gun to calculate it, and I doubt that you have). The cyma mags are just as bad as the utg mags (according to reviews). Both guns are made in china, and the utg is slightly more expensive beacause it comes with more accessories.

To sum it all up both guns are on the same level, they both have their own independant flaws, such as the cyma has undersized bushings and the utg sometimes has cosmetic parts with bad finish.

"UTG > CYMA" That statement encompasses all of the guns that both companies have made, and if you take into account the all the guns that CYMA has made, then CYMA looks like crap. They do have the new AK and the new MP5 which are on par with the UTG AK and MP5. Which shows that they may be doing something good.

Just to add a quick question since everyones talking about the UTG Aks, its about the new UTG Beta Commando Ak that's out. Are the internals the same as the Warhawk or have they been fixed up to fix some of the warhawks mistakes? Because the commando is posted to have better stats but I don't know if they just vamped up a gear or two or did they make an over all better interior gun. Thanks for any help.

I'm pretty sure it's the same internals