Well after seeing the post by ADADQGG/ -(eset)-HX while in a dispute with choffman in the Gr16-r4 Carbine thread made by the OP m3th0d



I am starting to see that more and more people are doubting Tokyo Marui. Just last year most, if not all airsofters saw them as the best and most trusted airsoft companies of all. Now with more "high" end companies coming out with preupgraded internals and metal bodies and other things TM is seeming to lose their popularity. So whats your take on it?

Oh if you want me to add another maker I can that was just my first thoughts when I thought of higher end companies

This post has been edited by famasairsoft: May 17 2008, 09:58 PM

I really like VFC but they are pretty expensive for a stock gun.


SS3

Yes, I do believe Marui is the best. Sure, they have plastic bodies, sure they shoot 280 fps, and they have plastic bushings, but they are still the best. They last for years, stock or upgraded, and are much higher quality than My brothers JG, or my CM.028. The plastic is not weak, but strong and durable, and they don't just last long becasue they are weak, but because they are high quality. They have great hop-ups making them outrange the high fps clones and other guns, and they are very accurate. Most of the guns I want to get are TM.

And they make great GBB's,some of the best on the market.

I am waiting to be flamed and argued against.

EDIT: Finally, I am not the only one. Some people still think so too.

This post has been edited by King Five: May 18 2008, 09:08 AM

tm is on top for alot of stuff but say KWA has a better G36c than TM

In my opinion, G&G, VFC, KWA, and G&P are the top AEG manufacturers now.

TM has the top GBBs though, and, of course, model trains!

This post has been edited by Choffman10: May 17 2008, 08:04 PM

king arm's and ptw makes good parts for modding.

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1. "PTW" is not a company. Systema makes the Systema PTW.
2. What are you talking about "Good parts for modding?"

Are you talking about guns or upgrade parts (because the Systema PTW is a gun, not an upgrade part)

yes the they both make good upgrading parts.

King Arms also makes guns. Thanks Choffman and SS3 for the suggestions I fixed them.

TM is defitently 1 of the best manufacturers, however I think KWA AEGs are better. They only have 2 guns out though.

This post has been edited by Ruthless Killa8: May 17 2008, 11:52 PM

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The Systema PTW is a gun, so it makes NO sense to say that the PTW makes good upgrade parts.
I still don't get what you're talking about, and KA upgrades (not many) aren't that great.

I think he was talking about KA externals but I don't know?

Yes, TM does make great AEG's and GBB's, and yes they set the standard for airsoft, and yes they have the best quality control on the market.

But are they the best? No.

The reason they last for years is because the light spring and excellent put-together. My Cyma cm.028-s, while falling apart, still shoots 280 and runs fine, and it's approaching 3 years old and has many, many, many rounds through it. And yes TM's hopups are great, but it's not that difficult or expensive to swap out stock hop-up buckings for a Firefly. And the internals, when examined, can leave something to be desired. G&G internals, when side by side, are easily better. I know not all of you will agree with me on this but that's your own opinion.

But the reason TM's are low-powered and plastic bodied is so they can compete in the Japanese airsoft market, which has restrictions that limit the ability to field medium powered AEG's. What TM is doing is focusing primarily on the Japanese market, which they dominate in, and leave the rest of the world as a secondary priority, which is fine for them, they can do what they want.

One reason I won't get a TM is because of the realism factor. Their Kalashnikovs doesn't disassemble like the real one, (then again, neither do my Cyma's) and if I am going to pay $200+ I'm going to want something that feels realistic. A plastic bodied TM just doesn't quite cut it for me, and yes I have held them. And with so many companies coming out with great, reinforced and pre-upgraded internals (G&G, KWA, and VFC stand out) TM is starting to fall behind.

I voted VFC, they are extremely good internally and externally, and are very good pieces in the battlefield or in the showroom.

I see where you are coming from...BUT WHY DOES G&P have 0 votes?!?!?!?!?

Well, in what? TM in always innovated. KWA is a beast in performance and is still pretty reliable. G&G is doing a nice job too for cost (sportline), internals, and externals.
I think KWA and G&G are killing the AMERICAN market for TM little by little. There will always be a Tokyo Marui here though in America because they are always the people to have something other companies don't. Once other companies catch up with the thing they made, they'll already have something else. On the other hand...
KWA came out with very nice AEGs. For the same cost of a Tokyo Marui, you get 20 RPS, 400 FPS, fiberglass body, 8mm bushings, and reliability. Some people crap about "TM hop-up bucking is better." Then get a firefly bucking for $20! So same price as TM, you can everything it has plus more. To feed the fire...
G&G has very good guns too. Nice accuracy (with their stock tightbores) and externals are very nice too. IMO, they are two steps up from TM. So if TM is a 5, G&G is a 7. G&G is as reliable as TM, but lower the spring and there you go.
To end my thoughts, TM will always be on top in Japan because they conquered so much it would be impossible for another company to get in there. So, they don't give a crap America. That's where KWA and G&G will come it. TM will still be here, but KWA and G&G will eventually take over IMO.

P.S. Where's ICS!?!? They are right after KWA and G&G in quality. Give them time and I think they'll be right up with them.

This post has been edited by Blackpig: May 18 2008, 09:31 PM

Probably because all they sell are Armalites, M249's and Stoner Rifles. Not much variety there.

True but they are still nice....

Adn Blackpig I'll see if a mod will let me edit it.

It depends on your purpose. If you want a reliable gun that will take a beating and last forever, TM. If you want an upgrade platform, something cheap like JG. There are companies out there that are nice, but most are going for the metal body and high FPS market rather than reliable. TM takes their guns as an art, not a money making scam.

WOOT 1337 JG FTW!!!111!! haha just kidding I voted vfc

Ok who said TM was on top and then voted for someone else for who wass on top?

I did because as I said before, TM is still on top in other areas other companies are not.

Oh yeah. I thought someone had messed up in reading it, ok that makes since thanks pig.

where is ics huh?! I have to say I am in love with ics and ae!

I am still trying to get someone to let me edit it.

The way I see it, nobody is on top (that's what she said). Different manufactures place emphasis on different aspects of the gun. Someone who cares a lot about externals might go for G&P, while someone who cares more about internal reliability may opt for TM.

Or someone who like both and doesn't mind paying a little extra could buy a VFC ...


SS3

Thats the answer I was looking for.

haha I like the thatss what she said.

*cough*nylonbushings*cough*. Am I the only one getting hit by allergy season?

King Arms SR-16 is soooo good externally. WAY better than a CA, and for 100 bucks more. Im just upgrading the internals to make it a sick DMR.

WOW star makes like 39 different AEGs and u fail to put them on the list WOW have we for got the star m4 with a CNC receiver stock not to mention top quality externals all around BTW they have made a pretty nice scar with and eglm and u don't put them on the list all I can say is WOW thats very upsetting so yeah my vote goes to STAR

http://www.starairsoft.com/category.php?categoryid=2

This post has been edited by fcuk420: May 24 2008, 03:29 PM

WOW you should have posted earlier WOW. I forgot one company that not many people have WOW. I can't believe I did that WOW man I messed WOW.

dude plenty of people own stars so don't mock me think about the star scar with eqlm

I see where he's coming from. When you think major AEG manufacturers, STAR is one of the last to come to mind. The fact is, they just aren't common.

SystemA. Next to them TM, then GnG, G&P, CA, ICS, and so on

Systema isn't even built to be skirmished with they are police training weapons and cost thousands of dollars that wouldn't be fair to include them.

Get over it...


SS3

if they were built to be Police training weapons, then wern't they meant to be skirmished with? They are an AEG.

They weren't built for airsoft...they are not very prctical so I didn't include them on purpose.

What systema? I am going to say everyone is talking about the PTW. You can't call it a systema cause thats the company. Its called a "PTW"...

That whole police, military training thing was a great marketing ploy on their end wasn't it? They knew vary well the military would not use them. They broke every test one they gave them. Cheap pot metal bodies break almost as easy if not more easy than normal AEG pot metal bodies. Thats why there are so many companies coming out with CNC bodies. I have not heard of any police using them to train with ether cause they are way outside their budget and do it the old fashion way with blanks, FX rounds, or just doing live fire drills.

By marketing it as a Police and mil training platform then they could more easy sell them to plane old us. I mean it gives some people an ego boost knowing they have a gun designed for training.

By the way I own a Systema PTW just for the record.

They are no different than an normal AEG. They have a quick change deal some what like the ICS. They have mosfet and computer triggers, and a bolt stop that works. If you are just comparing what an AEG is and what makes an AEG (no including the nice little things that make it feel real) then a PTW is an AEG with a working bolt stop. Systema knew vary well that when they made the PTW that most sales would go towards the high end skirmisher, if not all the sales.


You sir are ignorant on the subject and should not be making statements about them. They are Airsoft, were built for airsoft, and will continue to be used for airsoft more than any other purpose. Systema knew vary well that they would not get many sales to LE/MIL area when they designed it peroid. You should check your facts rather than believing what you are told or what you hear on the fancy You tube videos. Try talking to the reginal Systema sales rep here in the US OF A.

Back on to topic... Marui is still the best in my book, all my maruis have been through hell and back with no problems. They are always there and always work for me. Even my first Marui which is upgrade with basic spring, bushings, and piston head. 5 some odd years old and still ticking. Never done any preventive maintance on it.

This post has been edited by dakine: May 24 2008, 11:26 PM

Wow thanks for coming in my thread that was perfectly fine and flaming me for not putting a company thats lowest cost gun you could buy at least 2 of the other guns on the list just pick from the list and stop flaming me. Thanks.