Hi there!

I'm sick and tired of all the crappy bbs I have tried, and have found NONE that is good enough weighing any thing else than 0.29g (SGM).
I was hoping for SGM quality bbs in 0.36g +...
Madbull and others like it SUX! they have a coating which is unacceptable and leave residue not only on the hop up, but along the entire inner barrel.

The MagnunBB's seems to be a no show (bankrupt?)

Anyone know of something I might find good enough? I'm DESPERATE!!!

-LeStath

This post has been edited by LeStath: Jan 17 2010, 02:29 PM

Well if your only problem is the coating on the bb's I would recommend that you do a bb wash. Simply put 400 bbs into a water bottle, fill with warm water, a degreaser (like dishwashing detergent or goo-gone) and any other cleaning liquid of your choice. Just shake them until the coating is removed and then put them in a strainer and wash all the soap off and let them air dry. I also recommend that you put a paper towl or a piece of paper over the strainer as they dry to protect them from picking up dust. This will give the best accuracy and hop-up response. Good luck.

SGM's are discontinued, or so ive heard.

Biovals = win. I assume you haven't heard their rap? it proves their WINNESS.
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cf...;songID=8362175


But I all seriousness, biovals are the best bb around.
heres their selection http://www.biovalbbb.eu/products.html

Truth. Ya'll BB's cant mess with my Biovals.

Madbull BBs are actually pretty good. I've also heard good things about STRAIGHT.

Thanks for the replies guys :D Really appreciate it, I've now tried washing them and it may have shown a slight improvement, only downside is that all my bbs are now smaller in diameter (madbull .4g) and is more rugged than before (not very smooth surface). Straights are decent for a semi auto sniper as the accuracy is not THAT important, but they're no where near perfect... Lot's of them have faults and irregularities. Why can't anyone make .36g, .4g, .43g ++ WHITE bbs? Black bbs is not an option. Personally I think its irresponsible to use any bbs you can't see. I mean, my 700fps setup and black bbs and no way of knowing what I'm hitting until someone screams, come on! That is just plain stupid!

Well, the only thing that is close to good enough is the Madbull but as stated above, they leave residue EVERYWHERE!!! you can actually use them as a crayon on a white piece of paper, no sh-t! (try it for your self if you want proof)
The Bioval 0.42g bbs looks very interesting. However I don't seem to find any site who sells them, even though Biovals homepage states that they are available.

This post has been edited by LeStath: Jan 25 2010, 05:05 PM

Where to buy the bioval 0.42g bbs?? can't find them :S

I just received a mail from Bioval, and the 0.42's are not widely available yet :(

The lads at digicon have done it again! they produce up to .55g weight BB's, might be a bit hard to find, might not, but they are the best heavy weight BB's out there.

just the weight I'm looking for... can you give me a website who holds them?

LeStath,
I so feel your anguish bro. Been trying to find a good bb for my g-spec as well... and though they have a bunch of heavyweights out there, the fact that you can't see them with their dark color is more than annoying... after a bunch of research it seems like they are other colors than white because they use a different plastic to make the bb's have their "heavy weight". I guess they way these companies make them now they are "incapable" of making such a heavyweight bb without changing the color.... pretty lame if you ask me.

Thanks my friend! why can't someone feed our airsoft snipers with some gourmet "food" ? :P Too bad MagnumBB is bankrupt. He was about to release WHITE 0.43g bbs that was harder and better that the SGM's... I'm so tired of waiting for an excellent bb to be announced. loads of "good" ones but none that are good enough :P

You should know that Bioval are releasing some 0.42g bbs soon... I can't wait to try those.

This post has been edited by LeStath: Feb 11 2010, 06:58 PM

Plain stupid is any field allowing you to use a gun firing 700fps. And if you are using a gun that hot, I would hope that it is at least semi only, if not bolt action only, which should give somebody time to call their hits. The fact that you mention people screaming in pain tells me that you are irresponsible in using your rifle no matter what color BBs.

WOAH! Hold on there mister! I think you have misread something. I simply said that shooting with black bbs is irresponsible as you don't know what you're hitting. You could end up hitting someone not intended if something went wring with your barrel or something (closer than the minimum engagement distance) simply because you can not see the bbs.
700 fps is not that hot man. At 30m (minimum engagement distance) it's no more painful than a 400 fps tune at 1 m.. IFY the rifle is bolt action so no problem there.
If you thing 700 fps is too hot when minimum engagement distance is 30m, then I'm sorry to say this: you're a chicken... It's not that painful man.

Wouldn't shooting a BB that you can't control exactly where it's going to hit just as irresponsible as shooting a BB you can't see, according to your logic? If I were to take my gun, even if I had zeroed it to an extent, and aim at someone say 200ft away, and then fire a BB, I can see where it's going, and if a gust of wind moves it a bit off course or the BB is imperfect and drifts randomly on its own or whatever happens to the BB so it does not hit right where I want it to, you don't have any control over that, so you could be hitting a target you didn't intend to hit. Just because you can see the BB doesn't necessarily make it any safer.

Also, while you're right that a .43g BB initially at 4.5J has about the same energy as a 400fps .20g BB at point blank range, how many inexperienced people can't reliably tell what 75ft, 100ft, 150ft, etc is? I mean, it all really depends on what you believe to be "safe" and what the reasonable amount of pain is. Supposed it's 2.3J (about 500fps with a .20g). That means that anything within 50-60ft of you (say your hop up screwed up for one shot and the BB did not carry, but instead dove downward 40ft out) is in danger, and can you say without a doubt that you can control all circumstances? If you're aiming at someone 150ft away with a white BB that you can see, and as you fire, someone 30ft away runs into the path of the BB as you're firing and gets hit, can you say that a white BB is going to be any safer than a black BB? Would you be fine with getting hit by a 600fps gun point blank, because that is effectively what that situation is? Is it no longer the shooter's fault if they follow their rules, but someone still gets hurt? At a certain point, things can become potentially dangerous, and most insured fields wouldn't allow a gun that hot.

I mean, I'd be fine getting hit in the torso of some covered area with something shooting that hard with MEDs, especially since I get hit pretty hard fencing sometimes, but a little breeze or bit of oil on a BB or a trigger happy sniper shifting that to hitting me in the throat or neck might be a bit much.

Did you try Golden Ball .40? I read good things about them.
I just measured washed GB .40 and they were 5.90 - 5.91 diameter.

This post has been edited by ebeck: Feb 15 2010, 10:59 PM

Well, to answer your first question: NO! when I say that a BB is inaccurate I'm talking about not being able to hit a man size target at 300-400 feet. under 300 feet I can hit a mans head 9 out of 10 shots. I guess I kind of have pretty high demands regarding what is good accuracy:P It's not a problem hitting a man size target at 400 feet w/ out wind using SGM 0.29g but I can't really rely on no wind during the entire flight of the bb. It's almost always enough wind to throw a 0.29g bb out of its path...

And to answer the rest of it all... You can always come up with a scenario where high velocity airsoft guns are dangerous, but come on! If you're not aware that someone might jump out into your crosshairs at 30ft then maby you shouldn't be allowed to have such a hard shooting asg? It's like driving, you should expect the unexpected... I'm talking about situations where you might have to shoot past a person or two from your own team and the hitting an enemy further down the range... then black bbs would be irresponsible cuz you might end up hitting someone's shoulder or even worse , their heads. I think we both have some right and some wrong to the discussion. Lastly, my personaly oppinion is that 700fps is not too much or too hot. At 30m (100feet'ish?) a gun shooting 700fps on HPA (600fps with 0.36g, 575fps with 0.40g) doesn't even hurt enough to scream over... maybe I'm one of the ones who can handle alot of pain, I don't know. but come on! people who cant handle that are puzziez... 450fps is the max fps indoors on full auto where I play airsoft, so 700 fps and a minimum engagement distance of 30m is not more dangerous. This is just my opinion and how the rules work in my arosft club.

This post has been edited by LeStath: Feb 17 2010, 08:19 AM

Nice! very nice! No, I haven't tried them. Aren't they a rebrand of the madbulls?
please, send link:D

Nope. The GBs are not a rebrand of them. Downside is that they are black. http://www.airsoftatlanta.com/Airsoft_gold...bbs_p/65522.htm

Okay, I hope they come out with some white once in the near future then:D what groupings do you get at 50feet?

This post has been edited by LeStath: Feb 17 2010, 06:27 PM

So, I plan on buying .40g BB's for my sniper rifle (520 fps w/.3g BB). I really need to be able to see the BB. I can take one shot and see the path of the BB to make the next shot a LOT more accurate based off of the first shot. I think I am going to buy the .40g Madbull BB's but I am wondering if those will leave residue in the barrel and hop-up and how much will it affect performance? I can always clean out the inner barrel and soak the bucking but I just don't want the residue to build up enough to affect performance after 300 rounds or so.

I know I could wash them but wouldn't that make them slightely smaller and everything? Or does this not really matter?


Oh yeah and: (4) Why our heavy weight BB is not white color?
We add metal powder into the BB and that cause the color difference. There is no easy way to make it brighter, so, we just keep it as is.

direct from Madbull's website.

This post has been edited by doubletrouble: Mar 13 2010, 02:09 PM

To answer your question: you'll need to clean the barrel after about 50 shots to maintain the accuracy.
and yes, It leaves quite a lot of residue.
Washing the bbs helped quite a lot for me. 200-300 bbs can be fired before I notice any accuracy difference :D