This is a poll stemming from Cookies for cheaters topic
I wish to see what would be the penalty to establish at my land

Firing squad is fun, but make sure you do it safely. If a guy has a 500 FPS sniper rifle, make sure he's at least 100 feet back.

Firing squad is immature. Simply warn the player not to cheat. If they keep cheating then boot them from the field without a refund. If they keep cheating after they return to the next game(s), then ban them from the field. It's that simple.

+1.

At the field I've recently been playing at, the refs watch from atop buildings and if someone is accused of cheating or they suspect someone of cheating they shoot them 1-3 times and see if they call it. If they don't call the hit, they sit out a few games and if they are let back in and continue to cheat they are kicked off the field.

thats when you aim for nutshots they will call those... or drop to the ground eather way works.

Is that Tac City / Airsoft Playground?

When reading this thread it made me suspect that a few people were ten year old backyard nubsofters. Honestly, the best way to deal with cheaters is to keep shooting them (ON THE FIELD, not a "firing squad"). If they then don't call their hits and it becomes obvious that there's no way it could be a mistake or negligence, contact a field/game ref/marshal/admin, or follow whatever your field's procedure is for someone not calling hits (I.e., call "parlay" and discuss it with the player). Then, if the player refuses, he is usually booted from the game or even from the field, and sometimes even blacklisted on local forums, if he repeats this at enough fields.

You couldn't pay me enough to play with cheaters, so I'm going to call BS on most of the poll answers. Honestly, some of them are the stupidest idea for dealing with cheaters I've heard...
With his recent thread trend EKK certainly has the makings of a genuine ANG.

This post has been edited by Kavurcen: Mar 15 2010, 06:02 PM

One time, this guy and I were firing at each other, and then both of us came out full auto on each other. I hit him, and he kept missing me. When he finally said "Hit!" he walked by me and was like, "You're out to, obviously." There were like 5 other guys there, so I just said "Hit!", too so I wouldn't have to pay the price, even though I wasn't out.


-AkMan123

in the game. I will keep shooting at them until they call hit. Or not I will aim for their face. :D

Expulsion until they can prove they can be mature and honest, and not cheat.

Anything else, doesn't really work to well in the long run.

Shooting them until they acknowledge a hit, is fine and all.. but I don't think it will curb the behavior for very long. These types tend to try it with every group, or game they play in. The real objective is to remove disruptive players, until they aren't disruptive anymore correct?

There is ~always~ that guy. Happens a lot more than I care to think about really.

Kindly explain to the offender, you don't appreciate their actions and mind-set, we play with absolute honesty no exceptions, and if you can't play like everyone else, please take your gear and leave. You can't return until you've matured enough to play fairly like everyone else.

dunno what anyone else thinks on it, but thats how I deal with it.

My problem with the ref's method of finding cheaters is; Richochets.
I went down there with my dad. We rented a gun and I had my D.Eagle I had brought down from Alaska. Both times we noticed the BB's bouncing off the wooden walls behind us and since wood is very stiff the BB's still had a good bit of velocity. So if I felt a ping on my back I'd turn around and wait a few seconds to see if there was actually anyone there. If there was, I called myself out. If there wasn't I'd poke my head out from cover and see if anyone was taking shots at where I was.
I think something my dad suggested was that they go down to an old carpeting business, pick up scrap pieces, and attach those to the wooden surfaces. That way, there wouldn't be any ricochets and if you felt a ping you'd know that someone must have been shooting at you.
So I guess my problem is people don't always know they've been hit and by calling them a cheater it can be humilitating.....

I would kick them out and tell them to actually play right.

First, it is important to determine whether or not a player was actually cheating. Once he has established a reputation for being one, then the best course of action is to ban him from the field you use and blacklist him to all other surrounding fields. If they are ever able to airsoft again, they usually do not cheat.

If it was a one time offense and they do not usually cheat, then there are a couple of methods I use. First off, if they do not call their hits immediately, I let loose with a long automatic burst and ensure that they were hit (400 FPS at 25 RPS). Otherwise, I'll just tell them that they cheated, shouldn't do it again, and encourage them to play fairly. Most one-time offenders aren't actually trying to cheat. They simply don't feel the BB.

Obviously the answer is make him wear pink
Really, just kick em' off the damn field.

I like that idea of the ref shooting them once, to see if they're being honest. Does the ref say they can keep playing like they never got hit after that or is it game over?

My rules for calling hits are don't accuse people of cheating and saying they got hit(even if I see it hit them, see them flinch, etc.], you just make a fool of yourself, and if I don't see it bounce off of me, hear it hit my gear/BDU, or feel it, it's not a hit.

Id say on the first offense, warn them (Not too harshly) If it keeps progressing, ban them for a few games..

I'd make them buy me ammo. It's better than $5 and it benefits me yet punishes him, so it's a win-win! (For me, anyway)

I treat people who don't call their hits just like it would be treated in real life.

In real life, some people are wearing armor, some are on drugs, whatever it is, they are still alive for some reason, the simplest solution? Shoot them again, and again, until the target is down.

I guess its like a real-time firing squad, people can only take so many bb's until they decide that calling the hit is better.

I marked both expulsion and firing squad... but there's a story why.

First off, kids, don't try this at home...

We had a guy that was just a horrific cheater.. I was borrowing AJ's KJW 700 sniper gun one time when we were playing, and this guy that I used to work with came out with his buddies and all their stuff (didn't know he was coming, one of his friends knew one of my friends)

Anyway, I'm laying low, in good concealment, take a shot on him, hit him in the vest in one of his batteries. He knows he's hit, but he turns, and starts firing wildly in my direction.

At the end of that segment, I ask him, "Hey, didn't that shot on your upper chest count?" His reply, "Well it hit my battery, so it didn't hit me."

OK, fine... had the organizer of the game explain the rules to him, AGAIN... and we continued play.

Next segment, I'm with 2 others of my team, we are laying ambush behind a berm and trees, watching this guy and two of his buddies walk down a slough. We wait for them to get to the fire zone... they do, we open up.. his two buddies go down right away... but not this guy. He turns, charges up between the trees, up the berm, dropped his AEG, using his pistol... I put one into him with the sniper gun at minimal engagement range, then grabbed my Mk23 SOCOM pistol and put at least 8 rounds into him, last one at less than 10 feet, in the face.

He had 2 welts in neck, and 2 on the face that were bleeding by now... and all he could say was, "I got you."

Yeah, you finally did, after I was running backwards to keep min engagement because you wouldn't take the two sniper shots, at least 4 from my teammates AEGS, and the four from my pistol in your head!

So, that's where the firing squad came in...

Needless to say, he was invited to NOT come back.

He did show up at the indoor store once, though... I specifically told my refs to stay on him... too bad for him he was on the team opposing one of our regulars that we built the gun that shoots 60 bbs per second... I won't deny that I pointed him out to that guy and said, "give him some love, will ya?"

Firing squad the first two times, third time firing squad then expulsion.

Personally I just keep shooting at the guy, and if he still doesn't call it, and it's OBVIOUS it hit him, get the ref, or a knife kill...

If you're looking for rules for your field, ignore a lot of these responses please.

If you have a confirmed cheater, warn him. If he offends again, eject/ban him. It doesn't really get more complicated than that.

You can't force somebody to pay money to people, and you can't force them to purchase something as punishment for behavior.

Firing squad is sometimes okay as OPTIONAL. At Tac City, a gun went off in the prep room, and rather than being asked to leave, the player was allowed to be shot 10 times at 10 feet by the guy that got hit by the BB. This was only in lieu of actually being forced to leave, so it was his choice. There's no way on earth you'll get away with "Let us shoot you and then you have to leave the park and not come back." If it were me, I would just tell you to F off and give a call to my family lawyer.

Anyway, best of luck to your airsoft field. Thinking through these things ahead of time will really help you make a more enjoyable experience, and your players will definitely thank you for it!

If the offense were that they used a gun with too high fps they should be shot repeatedly with their own gun.

Right on the back of their neck too...

The guy sitting outside the Thieve's Landing saloon comes to mind ( Kidding) But once is a warning, twice is a firing squad, 3 times is a kick from the game. If they cheat again ( unlikely ) they get their entry fee doubled.

Firing squad is not that immature, I played with people that cheat and I just hit them more times and harder so they know that people know when they are cheating. Its just a cause (he cheats) and effect (gets owned) situation.

For me this is the one and only use for high ROF guns.

id say firing squad if not, talk to other team mates on his team after the round and they friendly fire him. would be funny as hell.

Where I play in my woods. If you are cheating, or get into a fight, you get shot. Not with a standard airsoft gun, I specifically made a gun for this. It is made from a Co2 BB gun, I have no idea what fps it puts out, but it is over 550fps. Mostly used to break up fights, luckily hasn't been used yet.

Here, cheaters are hogtied and told they have a purty mouth.....

Repeat offences are rare......

This post has been edited by Exarach: Feb 14 2011, 07:23 PM

I didnt vote because I cheat myself =)

if its just you and your friends I think a firing squad is always fun, but if at a public skirmish area the games master decides and normally they get an automatic "death" or forced to leave.

First offense: Verbal Warning

Second Offense: Suspension for one game.

Third Offense: Firing Squad (Goggles on, not within 15 feet, 400 FPS or less guns. The "cheated" should be included if possible.

Fourth Offense: Permanent Expulsion from field. If after a verbal warning, suspension from a game, AND a firing squad, they are either 1). An airsoft troll who finds it funny to piss other players off, or 2). Thinks he's an absolutely ninja and will get away with it every time but fails anyways.
This is what I would do but hey, it your field.

first off to deal with cheaters you need decent ref's. The best games I have ever played have been because of a grade A professional ref staff.
Real professional ref's don't shoot people they call them out and make sure they leave the field or give them a strict chat about the morals of the sport.
If a player continues to cheat they are booted off a field and blacklisted. Some places even take peoples pictures and send them to other field owners.
Ref's that walk around with guns shooting at people suck and I prefer not to play at those fields. As those refs are just idiots in a yellow vest who think they are god. Also places with bad ref attitudes the ones that go "if you can not deal with their cheating maybe airsoft is not for you" I had a ref say that to my face after I complained about 3-4 teenagers (one of which smacked me over the head with his gun after I safety killed him) Places with attitudes like that. Or the refs that do not do anything and just text on their phones in game, they suck to and could care less about cheaters.

Firing squads could be potentially dangerous and are absolutely retarded, immature, noobish and childish. For an insured field to do that...well if the insurance company ever found out the field would be blacklisted from the insurance company's. Regardless of how bad the other person cheats you should never resort to this ever. Be it at a real field or some illegal game in the woods. Most of the other stuff is just dumb for example hiding a cheaters gun, well that is kinda illegal to take and hide someone else's property.

What I personally do when I am playing is...If I shoot a player he doesn't call his hit I shoot him again, if again he does not call his hit I will shoot at him again and go YOUR BEING HIT CALL YOUR HIT in a loud voice. Some players absolutely hate that but I could care less it does not weaken the sport by yelling at people to take their hits, it works a good portion of the time. Also I will not do it if, they obviously can not feel it. If that doesn't work I will call my self out go up to said player and have a polite chat with him about the morals of the sport and that I just got him cheating on camera. Usually threatening to put their cheating on youtube will get them to step up their game and not cheat.

the firing squad is the most fun.

what refs do a one field I play at here in NC is go out into the field as one of the players. everyone is warned of a "sleeper" ref. he'll calmly watch people play. if someone gets accused of cheating, he'll find that person and shoot him from about 50ft with a pistol about 6 or 7 times. if the person doesnt call hit, he'll walk up to the person and ban them for the day.

to the OP, forget the firing squad crap. have your refs watch the people who get accused of cheating. I say one is fine. they may not realize they got hit. there have been plenty of times, ive been running thru the woods and I thought a twig or small branch hit me when actuality it was a bb. the person will let me know and ill say "my bad man" and ill go to respawn. but the 2nd time, they know they're doing wrong so they need to be expelled from that game and they have to sit out for the next 2 games. if they do it one more time, take a pic of them and ban them from the field for a year.

I hate playing with cheaters. when I play, I try to fire 1-4 shots at a time. if I hit someone and they don't call hit, ill fire a 4-5 round burst at them. they don't call it either, ill let off a full auto 40 round volley at the upper portion of their body or any part thats exposed that isnt covered by gear. they call it then. if not, THATS when I let a ref know. but all the fields I go to tell us "they don't call hit, light 'em up." but ill only do that a couple of times before I get fed up. im wasting my BBs on someone thats not calling hit when those 50-60 BBs could have been 50 other kills.

I keep shooting them, in more painful places... Then I tell them "you were still talking so I assumed you weren't dead"

If you have a high ROF aeg I think the answer is obvious.

This post has been edited by Colt^: May 31 2011, 11:14 AM

I generally like the mob approach, hold em down, drill through knee caps, that kind of stuff seems to get the message across.

Do the appropriate and mature thing for goodness sake, and ban them from the field. Let's remember this sport is dependent on safe and mature decisions. Firing squads, physical contact any of the likes is just immature and, even implications of it looks bad for the sport. Be safe, play safe, and have fun airsofting!

Well, personally, I like the idea of court marshaling them, giving them a trial, and punishing them accordingly. However, I doubt this would go through at a normal game. And, in it's proper, milsim style, a "firing squad" of sorts could be interesting. Obviously the firing squad approach isn't going to be tying a guy to a tree and having people unload on him until he bleeds (at least not for me). If the court deems the defendant guilty of a "capital offense" (such as compulsive cheating, treason, etc.), then a firing squad, one that mimics the one used in reality, could be used.

Please note!- That the above would really only be for actions occurring during the game. More or less to spruce up the gameplay. For more serious actions, such as violence or vandalism, or continual cheating (after harsh warnings)- an immediate ban from the field is the better approach.

All in all, and the most practical response to a cheater is to first determine if it intentional dishonesty. If it is, then address the cheater with a warning. Second offense, harsh warning and suspension from a match/ skirmish/ (whatever a single "mission" in a days game is called). Third offense- ban from the field. That simple. If they won't learn from their mistakes and improve themselves, the direct physical punishment will most likely make things worse.

In my opinion, psychological punishment is the most effective kind.