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YaY__CreeC
Hey guys,
I've got some money and I want to buy a new GBBR.
But first, I need some advice... a-wink.gif

I can choose between a few guns; The WE M4a1(3rd Gen), WE M16a3(3rd Gen), WE KAC PDW(3rd Gen), WE Scar(3rd Gen) and the GHK AK74N... <-- does the GHK AK74N have a locking bolt, when it's empty?
which gun is the most realistic one, and which gun has the best:

- Accuracy
- Range
- Recoil
- Upgradability (with RS and Airsoft parts)
- Reliability
- Performances in the field (no matter what the weather is)


so... I just want your opinion, tell my which gun you think is the best and why it is the best.
Best regards a-salute.gif
AirSoftNJ
GHK Just Released there PDW.......
goldeneye007airsoft
Way to f*ck with his mind more lol.

Stores haven't started carrying the PDW, yet, if at all anyways.

For now, because of the small market of GHK users, and because magazines are more expensive, I suggest looking around for a lot of reviews before going for either. This isn't something you should let a forum decide, this is a choice you have to make. Both will have their issues, both will be expensive, and both will be a hell of a lot of work to keep running well.

1. Accuracy- depends on what you put into it. WE's stock hop-up on their older models (anything besides PDW and 416) sucks. The newer ones are decent. Can't say about GHK
2. Range- Again, depends what you put into it.
3. Recoil- Very similar. There is a way to measure, but I doubt anyone who owns either is sad enough to do it. Recoil shouldn't be such a deciding factor.
4. Upgradability- Not much for the WE. With a WA system you can smack a sh*tload of real internals in there, but not much at all with the less realistic WE. GHK- well it's an AK. Externally, you're limited to furniture and optics. And possibly rails. Can't say about internals. Externally on the WE- They're ARMALITES. You can make millions of combinations with the parts available today.
5. Reliability- I'd have to say neither are truly reliable. Reliable to me is being able to shoot thousands of rounds with basic maintenance, really just the occasional clean and regular lubing.
6. Performance- depends on how you use it, how you abuse it, and what you have inside.

My vote- neither. KJW M4. More reliable and in a way cheaper, than either system.
The Vainguard
GHK = Magna sexiness realism
WE = Unrealistic ugly brass tube :D
AirSoftNJ
Ra Tech has the PDW.....

http://en.ratech.com.tw/product/agent_prod...t_pro_g_ghk.php
Madkows
Anyone even seen any reviews yet...?

GHK externals speak for themselves: WTF.






GHK looks like trash if you ask me. If you've seen the videos
of it shooting it sounds AWESOME (and goes for some ungodly time
on a Pro-win WA mag) But c'mon...

Edit:

Also like to say that GHK Ak users have the option to get upgrade parts
from Daytona Gun, which albeit are expensive are REALLY REALLY well made, so if anything
breaks you can get a DG replacement.
memorablec
QUOTE (The Vainguard @ Apr 5 2010, 05:21 PM) *
GHK = Magna sexiness realism
WE = Unrealistic ugly brass tube :D


well your opinion is wrong


you can barely see the tube in the PDW and see
http://www.everything-airsoft.com/blog/201...or-kac-pdw-gbb/

at least WE got the externals correct
Madkows
WE if I'm not mistaken is also coming out with a 2nd gen PDW with an even nicer finish.

(Just as a note, those pics of the GHK are the first batch in the released models, they're not a prototype)
AirSoftNJ
QUOTE (memorablec @ Apr 6 2010, 02:54 PM) *
well your opinion is wrong


you can barely see the tube in the PDW and see
http://www.everything-airsoft.com/blog/201...or-kac-pdw-gbb/

at least WE got the externals correct


Ahh Still WE is Crap, They Still Use that Same M4/M16 Lower that Doesnt Last more than 10,000 Rounds


QUOTE (Madkows @ Apr 6 2010, 02:57 PM) *
WE if I'm not mistaken is also coming out with a 2nd gen PDW with an even nicer finish.

(Just as a note, those pics of the GHK are the first batch in the released models, they're not a prototype)


Yes it is the first Batch, Im getting this PDW when the finish is Correct Along with some Pro Win Mags. They Gas System Kicks WE But but GHK Needs to Get that Finish Better Maybe Some Trades Too.
goldeneye007airsoft
QUOTE (memorablec @ Apr 6 2010, 02:54 PM) *
well your opinion is wrong


you can barely see the tube in the PDW and see
http://www.everything-airsoft.com/blog/201...or-kac-pdw-gbb/

at least WE got the externals correct

Meh, externals don't mean jackshit if it doesn't perform well.

QUOTE (AirSoftNJ @ Apr 6 2010, 04:13 PM) *
Ahh Still WE is Crap, They Still Use that Same M4/M16 Lower that Doesnt Last more than 10,000 Rounds

And what do you mean? I've never heard of a lower receiver breaking down? Or do you mean the parts? If so, yep.
AirSoftNJ
007, Yes the Parts #66 and There Hammer Bearing Comes Apart Frequently
hightower
I wouldn't consider the WE M16/4 series, even the 3rd generation, but thats just me. I would get a KJW M4 all the way, it's without a doubt the best bang for the buck.
Welfare
My review:
http://www.airsoftforum.com/reviews/showpr...0PDW%20(Marked)

Add the ra-tech Npas and their hammer if you want, then rock out with ur dee dee dee!!

1300 rounds, mixed gg and co2 and still no hammer bearing failure! Stock hammer bearing, so I don't know who was talkign about a failure, maybe they fixed it with the pdw.

I LOVE IT, it kicks and its LOUD! almost hurts ur ears if ur clearing a small room.

Still think the ROF needs to be a little faster, but since my round count is increasing and the gun is breaking in the rof seems to be getting better.

use locktite on stuff, my recoil spring rod came apart after the last time out, didnt affect the gun at all, I didnt even know till I took it apart, but I locktited it.
Welfare
apparantly the link doesnt work cuz my review hasnt been approved... if anyone could move that along would be great..!
Madkows
QUOTE (goldeneye007airsoft @ Apr 6 2010, 03:41 PM) *
Meh, externals don't mean jackshit if it doesn't perform well.


Yeah, but the internals don't mean jackshit either if your gun breaks in half. O:
AirSoftNJ
I was Scanning the Youtube and Look What I found, It Looks Like the Gun Loves AGM and Cyma More Than Anything Haha

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cssATTiwnNc
Welfare
After putting another 500 (im at about 2000 rounds) rounds through my WE PDW with mostly propane and NO silicone, and some c02, I realized that parts some of the screws are loosening up...
My advice, get some low or med strength loctite for all of the screws, there are about 12 that needed to be done on mine.

On the reciever there are 6, I circled the 3 that you can see, there are 3 on the other side too, same thing, 4 of these were loose on mine.

On the barrel assembly there are 4, I circled the 3 you can see from this view, there is one more on the other side, follow my arrow

also on the recoil spring/guide rod there is one on each end, only one was loose on mine, forgot to put it in the pic, but you know what I mean.
goldeneye007airsoft
QUOTE (AirSoftNJ @ Apr 6 2010, 06:44 PM) *
007, Yes the Parts #66 and There Hammer Bearing Comes Apart Frequently

Oh. I thought you meant like the stripped lower breaking.

And yes- my part 66 and valve knocker have broken. Hammer bearing- no. (Yet)
Welfare
QUOTE (goldeneye007airsoft @ Apr 9 2010, 06:50 PM) *
Oh. I thought you meant like the stripped lower breaking.

And yes- my part 66 and valve knocker have broken. Hammer bearing- no. (Yet)


Part 66 in the pdw diagram is the mag catch I cant see why that would ever break..... what is 66 in your diagram?
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