To be a good little trooper you must..(at the most basic, and a lot of people don't just GET these)

1. Always aim were you look...no time to raise a weapon when contact is made. Finger off trigger, safety off, weapon down if friendly is in front of you (if your this close to him your crowding and unless you have a bullet resistant shield you should not be this close behind some one. so get a different lane of fire.

2. Never waltz through some one's lane of fire. (my buds do this a lot)

3. Cover your own lane of fire, don't watch some one else's, they do there job you do yours.

4. Don't crowd corners, combat is about positioning and timing. Use angles, don't destroy you ability to hit something by hugging the wall.

5. If alone keep moving from angle to angle, left side to right side.

6. Learn the difference between cover and concealment....PLEASE!

7. Keep finding ways to get a better angle on the enemy while covering OR concealing your position.

8. Most people shoot from the right of bunkers, and run left from bunkers.(played enough games to notice a pattern)

9. At long ranges you're more accurate with semi auto, at short ranges full auto is more effective. (you have to explain this to some....)

10. Never enter a "LOW MOBILITY" position unless your angle is great and your cover is amazing.

11. Don't move to fast, and don't let your adrenaline take over, practice battle conditioning. Be quick yet effective. (Turn on the rock music and if so battle sounds, make many little W's and V's in a line mixing them up like this WVWWVWWVVWWW OCCOCCOCOOOCCOOOCO and in your head identify each one with speed no slip ups.) SAS trick.

12. Aim center mass (the chest) you have a better chance at hitting something. (some people actually aim at the head....like it matters in the game).

13. Practice flanking and bunkering tactics. lets them be model but remind your team to be flexible.

14. Most situations you enter rarely have the enemy facing you directly, if in this position drop to a prone stance. It's hard to hit targets on the floor with hop up.

This is the most basic and necessary information. Remember airsoft is a game but treat the bb's like bullets.
current record 43 kills 1 death. and the death was a suicide charge 15 min before work (I have a reason!).

There are several different points of view on weapon readiness and target acquisition, I see your point, and know many who use that method, but I prefer a slightly lowered weapon, it takes only a millisecond to raise sights and fire accurately, and if necessary, you can still point shoot.



The primary reason why this happens ALL THE TIME in airsoft or paintball, is because the "average" players are so concerned with raising their own kill ratio, that they care nothing for interfering with another players line of fire, if it means they can get the kill first. This is one of the things that tops my "Airsoft Pet Peeves" list. Counting kills for yourself is not the way to win, or to gain respect, counting successful missions for your TEAM, is the way to win and gain respect. Those teams out there that teach or implement true teamwork and team based victory acknowledgment, are the people you want to hang with and learn from.

It is also important to point out that you need to also pay attention to those other teams that are on your side in a particular game. You must also respect their lines of fire and mission parameters.



Could you please give us your definitions of those two items? They can't learn if no one tells them the difference :)



Can I assume that by "bunkers" you mean any piece of man made hard cover? Or do you actually mean a bunker construct, the type designed with gun ports and a defend-able single point of entry?

I will keep my eyes on the common practices of those using hard cover to verify your findings. I am pretty sure I can agree with your point on shooting from the right though... thats mainly due to the prevalence of right handed shooters, and the uncomfortable nature of a right handed shooter trying to aim around cover on the left, without exposing too much of his body to fire.



Full auto may be more EFFECTIVE in short ranges, but I find that it is usually not NECESSARY. I would make the following statements to that effect:

a.) In short range (10-50ft) especially in CQB, semi auto aimed shots are most effective, but full auto point fire is also effective in emergency situations (such as when you are surprised) and fall back tactics.

b.) In medium range (50-100ft), semi auto or burst fire is the most effective.

c.) In extreme range (for AEGs, about 100-150ft) Burst fire is the best method for eliminations, when possible. (at those long ranges, wind and bb stability are a huge factor) I find however, that usually, the most EFFECTIVE tactic at such long ranges, is the use of full auto suppressive or cover fire, to allow others to advance on the enemy, to get better medium range targets.



listen to that one kiddies, its a game winner, BUT bear in mind, that many times, the only target you are presented with is the tango's head, weapon. shoulders and right arm.

wait so if im trying to pick off someone from a long range I should use bursts instead of semi?

yes, full auto will waste your amo, and semi auto is very inaccurate with an airsoft gun, I don't even use it. 3-6round bursts are the best, u can spray in the general direction.

As Undercover said... with stock AEGs and GBBs, on long range shots (over 100 feet) it is very difficult to get one shot kills, due to the inherent problems with wind and other causes for bb flight instability. Even for AEGs upgraded to 1.5 joules using heavier bbs, you may still have this problem.

Therefore, if you use short bursts of say 3-5 bbs at a time, the chance that at least one of the burst hits where you were aiming, is greater than the chance that a single aimed shot will hit.

I have heard that single shot mode is less accurate, does this mean that it has less of a chance to hit becase 1) There is only one BB flying which is less probobillity it will hit. 2) The semi Auto function discharges BBs at in accurate ways.

I think it's cause you have to pull the trigger for every shot and this causes you to shake the gun.

I assume you are talking about with AEGs, not a sniper rifle, right? (I ask this because you normally talk about your sniper rifle, but 3-6 round bursts doesn't make much sense for a sniper :laughing: )

Yeah, my sweet APS2-SV with the 3 shot burst mode... That would rock, I didn't realize I talked about Sniper Rifles that much. I normally just tell people to stop talking about them. Haha, I did mean AEG by the way.

wow ok ive always thought that my semi was more accurate than my auto..guess its just my head then. cause usually I just fire 2-3 in semi in quick groups... :poster_oo

Welcome to the city of "MISSING the POINT!"

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No one is saying that an AEG is more accurate on auto than on semi.. in fact no one did say that.. at all....

What we are saying is that with an AEG, you will have a better chance of hitting with 3-5 rounds than with one at long range.

No where in my previous sentance did I say anything about accuracy...

Do you understand?

even though this is off the semi vs. auto sniping sub-topic I fell like this still needs to be answered
cover is when you can not be shot, but you might be seen
concealment is when you cant be seen, but can still be shot
examples: being beind a solid, yet clear wall of plastic (in airsoft) is cover
being behind a black piece of paper is concealment

easy there turbo, I was referrin to delta's post...

Ahh.. I'm sorry.. didnt see that.... Always use quotes :)

haha okay will do ill use quotes from now on..np =D

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I think it's cause you have to pull the trigger for every shot and this causes you to shake the gun.
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DrgnLrd is copmpletely right,I was trained to use high power air gun in sport marksmanship and belive me,it is hard to hit 14x14 cm target in center on 10 meters range,so my advice to all about trigger pulling is that u shouldnt pull it(like in war movies,the actors wouldnt hit an elephant standing 2 yard from them) so be wise,heres some algoritham :1-pull the trigger till u feel slight obstacle 2-stop ur breading,and take a good aim,don't aim over 8 second cuz after that point u begin to lose ur breath,and when pulling the trigger for fire effect,pull it slightly so the shot suprises u.Now thats the formula for semi long range effective shot

(Yahshua, The , Emanual - That's my name, don't use it in vain) just read them don't analize that much. there is no set way to awge combat. these are just things that most people should know or go and play and look for them. a lowered weapon battle priest may take but a fraction of a second but that fraction gets people shot. as far as the US military is cons.(st31-180, special forces handbook)and (fm31-20, special forces operation tech.) you should awlays have the gun sighted were your looking unless some one is infront of you. this also comming form the 2 seals I know.(one who taught me fundamentals and othe other techn and knife making)as far as my gun is cons. I use a sig 551 with a 400 fps, I can shoot threw a 1 inch hole at about 40 yards, the guns are not that inaccurate, you must be....as far as I know the diffence between cover and concealment ,the statment explains it self. if you are not smart enough to detect a diffrence in the two just as if you are not smart enough to hide behind somthing solid when being shot at, you should not be carring ANY projectile launcher. as far as don't cross lanes of fire the reason is not about kill ratio is about not knowing what the hell is going on. I have seen people loose there cool and do the dumbest things because they hear the crashing of bb's or paintballs around them. there not conditioned to this. and in most past exper. the projectiles that hit them seem to hurt so a "model" gun is sure to strike fear into them at some level. I am sure there is the basic moron who is concerned with kill ratio because he has somthing to prove but usualy this person is not on a team, or for that matter should not be on a team. if your team has this kind of RAMBO on the team your not setting your not setting the bar high enough. But hey ya know maybe battle priest has more first hand information then I do.........

to add to marks post(who SO knows what he talking about) a good way to aim a rifle(not a real one) is with your thumb serving as a brace and your palm facing the left side of the gun with fingers slightly raised. this is effective for airsoft because this position locks the arm into a power position. a position used in striking and knocking down(often called the paw). this is also the "unmovable hand" gesture in akido. a famous beginers technique when learning to ctrl QI. with this your shot will be very steady, and its the reason im on the team....me and my g-spec or sig. another thing that I find orks for me, I don't know if its for you is squinting the left eye, for some reason it makes the right seem to focus better. I don't know much about long range shooting other then what I have been told and learned my self from my dad's m1 and bolt rifles. my main area of exper. is in cqb but I love sharpshooting so much more.

look SBV, I really never shot an airsoft gun in my life but from 4 years of expiriance and 6 golden and 4 silver medals from sprots marksmanship I gave that advice,so im sorry if I said something that sounded like a show off or something,I just wanted to help thats all

no Mark you missunderstood man, your advise is awsome. from every thing you said it sounds right to me. and im not expert at long range shooting or real steel marksmanship.....you hold the court on this one. what I mean is YOU REALLY KNOW YOUR STUFF,THANK YOU FOR POSTING. I enjoyed your information, I just wanted to add the ONLY tip I know for shooting airsoft rifles that seems to work for me. and I have never won any real marksmanship medals, thats awsome shooting man.the closest I got to realsteel medal was just the word 4th in a speed shooting comp being beat by a 2 members of this club and then my dad(who at the time a member). and thats not hard, lol its just aiming and having good gun ctrl as you pop off a few targets in a row.

U lead the way on Airsoft subject,I gave my 2 cents.

Cheers!

I really don't think breathing control matters that much in the realm of airsoft, unless youre a sniper. beside taking your time to do it is inpractical with an aeg in an actual game. one light breeze or a slight imperfection in the bb would affect your accuracy more than breath control. short controlled burst would be the way to go.

yes,but in case u really want to do a miracle with ur AEG this way gives u the chance I think.......its all "what if"

its only natural for a person to crtl there breathing while ocncentrating. ever noticed how MEN hold there breath while lifting.I do it but your not supposed to. or how when you pull a bow back your breath is held for about 3 seocnds.same goes for airsoft guns, its natural.....BUT..learning to ctrl this natural thing will aid the shooter in steadying there shot.so threw essence and I think study it would take a well dissaplined mind to not hold there breath while shooting. but a still well dissaplined but not as much mind to ctrl that natural urge,IF it can always be ctrled...think about it.

you know I stayed up for about an hour and a half writing a artical in 2 parts called NIght fighting(only it was in latin,the title) I had information of my fav and best type of combat gathered from I think 9-10 diffrent sources including the usmc,navy,ancient japan,and other notible instructors. BUT THE **** THING DID NOT GET POSTED FOR SOME REASON. so to save me time, would you all like a artc. on night fighting, or no? POST AND BE HEARD!!!!!!

Id really like to see that,it could have only a good use,so bring it on

His articles can be found in the Airsoft Tactics forum, they need a little editing, but they are there.

Ah, I see. You posted them in the tactics forum, and because the admins don't want the forum to get too clogged up with people asking for tactics and things, they made it so your post had to get approved, if you are starting a new thread there. As you can see, BP approved them, so they are up now.

Jballou, if your looking for your last post.. I split it off into its own thread... I thought it would be better off with its own thread, so it doesn't get lost in this one.

Hey guys, im new to this forum, but have been playing airsoft for about 4 years now. One thing I'd just like to point out was about how you should not have your gun leveled while in cqb.
When you are going through a building its proper to have your gun angled down a little less than 45 degrees. This is because often times combat inside a building will get confusing and you might come around a corner and find yourself faced with your teammate. If you gun was raised at all times you would be liable to shoot them.
Having it angled downward is a safety precaution for you and your team. It gives you a split second to think about the situation. Those of you who know about Delta Force will know that they are THE Elite counter-terrorist unit of today. And angleing the gun when fighting in cqb came from their years of experience studying and testing differen't methods.
Now you may be thinking that the enemy will have a easier time shooting you because he doesn't have to raise his gun but the fact of the matter is that when your storming a building you should be running the whole time and the enemies should not have time to respond.
If you would like to know the way Delta Force storms a building id be glad to write an article on. Just give me some feedback if you would like that.
Anyway, so long fellas. Semper Fi!

Well, I agree with the team mates part but if you have ever played AIRSOFT CQB, then you will know that running the whole time is just about the best way to last for a very short while. Airsoft CQB is different from what we deltas face in real life because we ALWAYS utilise the element of surprise. The tangos should NEVER know when we are coming and after we get real close in stealth, then we go dynamic on them, jumping on every room before they can react or position themselves properly. In airsoft, everyone knows you are coming and will be hiding or in stealth mode. I can hear your heavy running steps from a mile away and I can either hide and flank you stealtily or simply camp at an advantageous position... all in all, run THE WHOLE TIME is a sure formula for telling your enemies where you are and setting yourself up for an ambush... any enemy that cannot make use of your noise to their advantage isn't worth playing against in the first place. :)