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MikhailKalashnikov
Does anyone have any tips or tricks on how to make GBB's work better during winter and cold weather?
camoman
QUOTE (MikhailKalashnikov @ Mar 7 2006, 07:34 PM) *
Does anyone have any tips or tricks on how to make GBB's work better during winter and cold weather?


hold you mag in your shirt, roll it up so that its warm, then in a few minutes put it in the gun. This is the only trick I know of to keep your gun running good in the cold. (it temporarily works too)
:LeprousTermite:
Use a step up of gas type, or a mixture.

Example: Gun works fine with Green Gas during the summer, use Red Gas or a Green/Red mix during the winter. Use multiple mags and limit firing to prevent seals from freezing.
DwayneDays
At what temperature about do GBB guns start having these problems?
OGACHOBI
try leaving the gas tank inside when ever posssible and keep the clip at least a little warm by putting it in your shirt and try lubing the inside of the gun and clip.
MikhailKalashnikov
Thanks, all.
DwayneDays
for real though what temperature do they start sucking at?
New-bie
I keep them im my shirt pocket for a while.
Paisley Pirate
QUOTE (DwayneDays @ Mar 9 2006, 12:01 AM) *
for real though what temperature do they start sucking at?


Depends on the gun and the cycle rate.

Generally, tho, if you are using green gas, by about 40F you probably would want to be looking at red gas.

Same thing with R134A if you use it, consider green gas by around 40-50F, and red gas at about 20 or so.

Again, this is not hard and fast. If you like to snap off 4 or 5 shots quickly, you may start experiencing freeze up by 50 or even 60F... it is dependant on the gun, too.

The larger (heavier) the mag, the longer for the heat to bleed out of it, and so the longer before it starts having temperature issues.

Hope that helps.

(I see a possible article for me to write.... I'll have to experiment on some guns...)


Forgot something else you can do.
Get some of those little handwarmer packs from sporting goods, and keep them in your pocket with your gas mags... to keep them warm.
BattlePriest
QUOTE (Paisley Pirate @ Mar 9 2006, 01:48 PM) *
Depends on the gun and the cycle rate.

Generally, tho, if you are using green gas, by about 40F you probably would want to be looking at red gas.

Same thing with R134A if you use it, consider green gas by around 40-50F, and red gas at about 20 or so.

Again, this is not hard and fast. If you like to snap off 4 or 5 shots quickly, you may start experiencing freeze up by 50 or even 60F... it is dependant on the gun, too.

The larger (heavier) the mag, the longer for the heat to bleed out of it, and so the longer before it starts having temperature issues.

Hope that helps.

(I see a possible article for me to write.... I'll have to experiment on some guns...)


Everything Paisly said is basically correct. All of this will be covered in my pisoleer article (If I ever get a chance to continue writing it) I would like to stress though, that the numbers Paisly Pirate quoted are VERY loose.... and VERY dependant on what brand and model gun you have.

Also, in my experience... HFC 134A gas loses its punch well before 50 degrees F, even in guns designed for it (Any gbb made in Japan) And you will probably want to change to green gas before then. And with the execption of a few GBBs recently on the market that are actually designed for it... you should never use Red Gas unless its lower than 40 degrees out.\

Basically... heres the break down for GBBs and Ambient temp.

Japanese GBBs Or any gun with a plastic slide (Which are designed for HFC 134A)

60/70F+ : Use HFC 134A
40/50F thru 60/70F : Use Green Gas
Less than 40F : Use Red Gas

Most Taiwanese, Korean, Chinese made GBBs (With metal slides)

50F+ : Use Green Gas
Less than 50F : Use Red Gas

Select WE HiCappa models are designed for Red Gas at much warmer temps, but you should only use Green Gas if its really warm... just to be safe.

Regardless of what brand or model gun you have... ALWAYS make sure you keep your gun clean, dust free and properly lubricated with a silicone based lubricant between each usage. (Properly lubricated, not excessively coated with lubricant... over lubrication can be worse than no lube)

Also, the colder it gets, the slower you need to fire... as with each shot you are lowering the temperature of your magazine.... if you shoot too fast or too much.... your mag valve will freeze and crack. This is why you should NEVER use a select fire GBB in full auto mode in cool or cold weather.

NBBs are entirely different... and I don't know enough about them to give you advice in gas usage.
gaijinondisplay
QUOTE (DwayneDays @ Mar 8 2006, 05:05 PM) *
At what temperature about do GBB guns start having these problems?


I usually don't notice a big problem until around 30-35 degrees. Around 40 degrees you might notice a drop in FPS or a slower cycle rate but... not a huuuuuge effect until near or below freezing (unless you're on hte trigger constantly).
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