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Illegal To Paint Clear Guns Black?


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#1 Guest_Officer_Matlack_*

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Posted 20 January 2007 - 02:37 PM

Clear guns don't have orange tips...so if you paint it black you're not painting the orange tip...so is it legal or what?

#2 Guest_aka Erky_*

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Posted 20 January 2007 - 02:39 PM

If there's nothing illegal with removing an orange tip, then it's perfectly fine to paint your clear gun black, so go for it.

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Posted 20 January 2007 - 03:17 PM

Well, painting it black and taking off the orange tip isn't illegal, but it makes it more dangerous and even though you shouldn't take any of your guns out in public, painting it black and without an orange tip makes it more risky to be thought as a real gun.
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#4 Guest_aka Erky_*

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Posted 20 January 2007 - 03:27 PM

If a police officer sees a gun that looks real, orange tip or not, he WILL treat the situation as if you had a real gun. Orange tips provide a false sense of security, they do nothing.

#5 44_Magnum

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Posted 20 January 2007 - 07:11 PM

QUOTE (aka Erky @ Jan 20 2007, 03:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If a police officer sees a gun that looks real, orange tip or not, he WILL treat the situation as if you had a real gun. Orange tips provide a false sense of security, they do nothing.


Just so people don't get mad at Erky, he knows what he's saying. Except in California, I beleive.
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#6 Freelanczer

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Posted 20 January 2007 - 07:14 PM

it'snot illegal to not have an orange tip, you just need to have your gun in a gun bag
atleast that's how it is in ca

#7 44_Magnum

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Posted 20 January 2007 - 09:09 PM

QUOTE (Freelanczer @ Jan 20 2007, 07:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
it'snot illegal to not have an orange tip, you just need to have your gun in a gun bag
atleast that's how it is in ca


Oh. That's the same in the rest of the U.S. I stand corrected.
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#8 TEN36VX

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Posted 25 January 2007 - 04:58 AM

Actually it is illegal to remove the orange tip or paint your clear gun black in California per PC 12553(a)(1).

And yes, orange tip or no, an officer will treat it as a real gun. Last week I assisted a local agency with a felony extrication of two subjects from a vehicle after the contact officer observed the butt of what turned out to be a pellet gun. Both occupants sat with guns aimed at their face until additional officers responded and removed them from the vehicle. Moral of the story: Use gun cases.
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Posted 30 January 2007 - 10:17 PM

QUOTE (TEN36VX @ Jan 25 2007, 02:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Actually it is illegal to remove the orange tip or paint your clear gun black in California per PC 12553(a)(1).

And yes, orange tip or no, an officer will treat it as a real gun. Last week I assisted a local agency with a felony extrication of two subjects from a vehicle after the contact officer observed the butt of what turned out to be a pellet gun. Both occupants sat with guns aimed at their face until additional officers responded and removed them from the vehicle. Moral of the story: Use gun cases.



AS he says be very very carful with that. I advise NOT doing it. Get a gun case if you do.
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#10 Airsoft Monkey

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Posted 31 January 2007 - 12:15 AM

There has been so many topics about california laws...

Search for them

#11 Night Fire

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Posted 01 February 2007 - 11:47 PM

There's nothing wrong with painting it black, manufactures paint it clear just for you to be safe.

#12 Death_Swing

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Posted 07 March 2007 - 09:28 PM

ehh I wouldnt do it mess up the guns skin but theres a reason why its clear or if the gun has an oragne tip it is illegal if you don't have what the law says then don't ask why your gun got taken away. but I know what you mean I hate the clear and oragne tip but I would leave it as it is

#13 Guest_Xhado_*

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Posted 07 March 2007 - 09:42 PM

QUOTE (Death_Swing @ Mar 7 2007, 06:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
ehh I wouldnt do it mess up the guns skin but theres a reason why its clear or if the gun has an oragne tip it is illegal if you don't have what the law says then don't ask why your gun got taken away. but I know what you mean I hate the clear and oragne tip but I would leave it as it is

It is NOT illegal to paint an orange tip or clear body black.

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Posted 22 March 2007 - 09:24 PM

QUOTE (Xhado @ Mar 7 2007, 09:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It is NOT illegal to paint an orange tip or clear body black.

Actualy it is illegal to paint over the orange tip, but it is not illegal to replace the flashider or muzzle brake with an after market flashider or muzzle brake! If you chose to paint any airsoftgun and brandish it in public expect to be arrested or worst case shot by someone who thinks you are carrying real steel! I would follow the real steel laws as far as tranporting your guns ie: in a case and locked in the trunk of your vehicle.

#15 Guest_Xhado_*

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Posted 22 March 2007 - 11:05 PM

Show me the legislation where it says altering your property is illegal. If you brandish an Airsoft gun with an orange tip, the same thing will happen if you do the same without one.

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Posted 05 April 2007 - 08:00 AM

QUOTE (Xhado @ Mar 23 2007, 12:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Show me the legislation where it says altering your property is illegal.

Here's two quick ones...
QUOTE (California Penal Code)
PC§ 12090. Altering Identification Mark on Firearm
Any person who changes, alters, removes or obliterates the name of the maker, model, manufacturer's number, or other mark of identification, including any distinguishing number or mark assigned by the Department of Justice on any pistol, revolver, or any other firearm, without first having secured written permission from the department to make such change, alteration or removal shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison.

12553. (a) (1) Any person who changes, alters, removes, or
obliterates any coloration or markings that are required by any
applicable state or federal law or regulation, for any imitation
firearm, or device described in subdivision © of Section 12555, in
any way that makes the imitation firearm or device look more like a
firearm is guilty of a misdemeanor.

And there's abunch in the Vehicle Code...

Edited by TEN36VX, 05 April 2007 - 08:01 AM.

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Posted 05 April 2007 - 03:23 PM

QUOTE (TEN36VX @ Apr 5 2007, 08:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Here's two quick ones...

And there's abunch in the Vehicle Code...




The first one states that it is illegal to change gun markings. Like the markings on a Real Steel M16 (or at least I think).

The second one I think it would only apply to places like California. But why are these laws found in Vehicle Code?

And why would it be illegal to paint over it (change it from the orange to black) than to just take off the orange flash hider and replace it with a black one? Its the same process really.
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Posted 05 April 2007 - 03:36 PM

QUOTE (Night Fire @ Feb 2 2007, 12:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There's nothing wrong with painting it black, manufactures paint it clear just for you to be safe.


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#19 TEN36VX

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Posted 10 April 2007 - 04:04 AM

QUOTE (dmtsguitarist @ Apr 5 2007, 04:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The first one states that it is illegal to change gun markings. Like the markings on a Real Steel M16 (or at least I think).

The second one I think it would only apply to places like California. But why are these laws found in Vehicle Code?

dmtsguitarist, if you didnt catch it I was responding to Xhado's comment...
Actually 12090 has nothing to do with Airsoft, both are applicable only to CA, and both are from the Penal Code (ref. the quote header).
QUOTE (dmtsguitarist @ Apr 5 2007, 04:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And why would it be illegal to paint over it (change it from the orange to black) than to just take off the orange flash hider and replace it with a black one? Its the same process really.
Both are illegal; painting it would be "altering" the markings, changing out a colored flash hider would be "removing" the markings, and both "makes the imitation firearm or device look more like a firearm". See there?

None of which would be an issue if one was to play responsibly and therefore not be contacted by law enforcement, who would therefore have no knowledge of said modifications...

Edited by TEN36VX, 10 April 2007 - 04:06 AM.

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#20 Guest_Xhado_*

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Posted 10 April 2007 - 04:21 AM

I'm talking federal laws, nation wide regs.

Every state, county, city ect may have their own laws.

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Posted 10 April 2007 - 02:43 PM

QUOTE(California Penal Code)

12553. (a) (1) Any person who changes, alters, removes, or
obliterates any coloration or markings that are required by any
applicable state or federal law or regulation, for any imitation
firearm, or device described in subdivision © of Section 12555, in
any way that makes the imitation firearm or device look more like a
firearm is guilty of a misdemeanor.

the first one mentioned was basically irrelevant. This one however only deals with the removal of required markings. It doesnt say that an orange tip is a required marking. And this also specifies state or federal laws. State laws are different practically everywhere. Is there a code saying "all replica firearms require a permanently fixed orange tip"? there may be, I might remember reading one but I cant remember it. If anyone finds it that would be appreciated.
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#22 jaren

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Posted 10 April 2007 - 03:33 PM

QUOTE
PC§ 12090. Altering Identification Mark on Firearm
Any person who changes, alters, removes or obliterates the name of the maker, model, manufacturer's number, or other mark of identification, including any distinguishing number or mark assigned by the Department of Justice on any pistol, revolver, or any other firearm, without first having secured written permission from the department to make such change, alteration or removal shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison.


this is in relation to the serial numbers and colt/bushmaster markings on FIREARMS in acordance with the next law airsoft guns are not firearms the are imitation firearms. and look for the laws in WASHINGTON where the person in question lives not california so get the laws that apply to the question.

QUOTE
12553. (a) (1) Any person who changes, alters, removes, or
obliterates any coloration or markings that are required by any
applicable state or federal law or regulation, for any imitation
firearm, or device described in subdivision © of Section 12555, in
any way that makes the imitation firearm or device look more like a
firearm is guilty of a misdemeanor.


ok so federal codes is that the orange tip is only for importation in WASHINGTON where the person in question lives not california so get the laws that apply to the question.

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Posted 10 April 2007 - 06:31 PM

I'd just like to add that my friend DID paint his clear guns black. It might make the cocking mechanism on a pistol stick, as it did his. I wouldn't really do it, but as long as you keep your gun in a case and not play in your backyard, I'd think it's OK.
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#24 TEN36VX

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Posted 13 April 2007 - 05:25 AM

JC, I realize that 12090 has nothing to do with airsoft, as stated...
Again, I was simply responding to Xhado's comment.

Secondly, I only bring up CA law since people constantly make blanket comments about legality without regard to state or juris.

Thirdly,
QUOTE (jaren @ Apr 10 2007, 04:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
...and look for the laws in WASHINGTON where the person in question lives not california so get the laws that apply to the question.

Officer_Matlack's profile says he's in Richmond Indiana... don't think WA law would help him much either.

As far as I can tell, there is no state laws regarding airsoft in IA, exception being a bill in the works prohibiting them on school grounds or buses. If you were playing recklessly that could fall under IC 35-45-1-3(a)(1), Disorderly Conduct, fitting under the defition of "tumultuous conduct". But no regs on colorization.
I would check with your local juris, whether it be city or county for further.

Edited by TEN36VX, 13 April 2007 - 05:53 AM.

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Posted 13 April 2007 - 10:43 PM

QUOTE (TEN36VX @ Apr 13 2007, 06:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
JC, I realize that 12090 has nothing to do with airsoft, as stated...
Again, I was simply responding to Xhado's comment.

Secondly, I only bring up CA law since people constantly make blanket comments about legality without regard to state or juris.

Thirdly,
Officer_Matlack's profile says he's in Richmond Indiana... don't think WA law would help him much either.

As far as I can tell, there is no state laws regarding airsoft in IA, exception being a bill in the works prohibiting them on school grounds or buses. If you were playing recklessly that could fall under IC 35-45-1-3(a)(1), Disorderly Conduct, fitting under the defition of "tumultuous conduct". But no regs on colorization.
I would check with your local juris, whether it be city or county for further.



Every airsoft gun I have purchased here in Maryland, I have had to sign a paper verifying that I am 18 or older, and informing me that if I alter the orange tip in any way, that I am facing state and federal prosecution.

#26 Night Fire

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Posted 13 April 2007 - 11:42 PM

Is it illegal to paint an orange tip black? No, it's not. So why would it be illegal to paint the gun black? They make it clear just like they make the tip orange, to 'make it look like a toy'.




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