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Why Aren't There More Classics?

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It sounds like classic airsoft guns shoot faster (FPS). Why aren't there more of these guns if that is so? Wouldn't they make good sniper rifles? I'm a little confused on this, an explanation would be helpful.
Well deerhunter it's like this, the companies that made most of the classics JAC&ASAHI went bankrupt after the advent of AEGs. And yes they did shoot with a higher FPS, but one of the major draw of them was the external gas rigs that made them bulky and not very easy to move with. There are still some classics out there but they demand a heavy price tag and parts are very hard to find. I hope this answers your question.

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That does. But if the companies didn't go out of business wouldn't all snipers want one of them? Because of the higher FPS and since snipers don't move much it wouldn't be that much of a draw? A new company should start making the classic airsoft guns. I would get one. They just need a backpack type carrier so it woudl be more convenient.

 

Also one more thing do the classic airsoft guns shoot faster (shots per minute) than AEG's?

 

Thanks

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That does. But if the companies didn't go out of business wouldn't all snipers want one of them? Because of the higher FPS and since snipers don't move much it wouldn't be that much of a draw? A new company should start making the classic airsoft guns. I would get one. They just need a backpack type carrier so it woudl be more convenient.

 

Also one more thing do the classic airsoft guns shoot faster (shots per minute) than AEG's?

 

Thanks

1. The ROF completely depends on brands of guns and battery used in the AEG.

2. They would not be called "classic" if a company came out with some external gas powered replicas today.

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I don't think snipers would use them because of FPS. Remember: FPS really doesn't mean anything, it has only a limited effect compared to accuracy and range.

 

Bronco, I guess calling new "classic" guns classic would be a non sequiter, but technically they would be in the same category if they ran off an external rig.

 

and deerhunter, to your question about the backpack rig thing, you could put the rigs in there if you wanted, but you would need a longer hose, and the hoses get in the way either way.

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With some of the JAC guns ie: the now famous Galil they made, JAC offered a rifled barrel which gave it amazing accuracy! The classic had a decent ROF but nowhere close to what you can achieve with an AEG. Now Tanio Koba has released 2 new gbb models , an M4 and a AK74 that use gas charged mags like gbb pistols, sadly these have not been made available for export to the US. The sad truth of the matter is that AEGs are less expensive to manufacture and they are more effecient than the old classics. Every now and then you'll see an Asahi or JAC up for auction on E-bay and they have large reserves and go anywhere from $800-$2800 depending on the model,condition and rarity.There are some fantastic gas sniper rifles made by Tanaka that do the job quite nicely. So if your looking for a gas sniper I would go for one of the Tanakas or a gas M1Garand.

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Well deerhunter it's like this, the companies that made most of the classics JAC&ASAHI went bankrupt after the advent of AEGs.

WHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTTTT???? no , that is not it at all.......at all. Asahi was sued by the goverment of japan , because there m40a1 could be modified extensivley to fire a 22 rimfire bullet. and contrairy to most peoples belief the group behind the was none other than the executives at WESTEN ARMS!!!! and why they went out of business (completley) is the next portion of my post.

 

the main reason all of the other companies went away is because of the Japanese Economy Crisis in 1995 , which demolished these companies business and the and only then did the AEG pick up which was the finger that pushed all of these companies to bankrupcy.

 

and if you don't belive me , go ask SniperX. one of the executives at Escort , I have asked him this question more than once because I never believe it , because its just crap that the creators of airsoft went out like this.

 

and if you were wondering what happened to everything these companies were making (guns , manuals , molds , ect) they went to the highest bidder , which was mainly Sun Project

 

this lesson in classic airsoft has been brought to you by White Boy

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it wouldnt let me edit my last post so ...

 

classic airsoft sniper rifles are a little different form spring and green gas sniper rifles. in classic airsoft , you can make a mini uzi out shoot a Asahi WA2000 . which is what I have managed to do. I drove qutie a long way to test this but my uzi will hit a plate sized target at 300 ft....where as the asahi WA2000 will only hit at 250-275 ft range. so you can have an M16, M4 and be way above the sniper competion . if you want to get into classic airsoft and have a gun like mine be ready to drop some serious cash...very serious.

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Wow, I did not know any of this, if it's legitimate, that's just lame that they went out of bussiness like that. Really, I think most airsoft guns could be super modified to fire real rounds (like basically building a real gun, but still), that's a lame reason to be sued, it's not like they designed it like that.

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it sounds like we are comparing the old muscle cars of the late 60s to the new cars of today with classic and current. and I don't know about an airsoft bb traveling a football field's length

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it wouldnt let me edit my last post so ...

 

classic airsoft sniper rifles are a little different form spring and green gas sniper rifles. in classic airsoft , you can make a mini uzi out shoot a Asahi WA2000 . which is what I have managed to do. I drove qutie a long way to test this but my uzi will hit a plate sized target at 300 ft....where as the asahi WA2000 will only hit at 250-275 ft range. so you can have an M16, M4 and be way above the sniper competion . if you want to get into classic airsoft and have a gun like mine be ready to drop some serious cash...very serious.

Eh, 300 feet? with something the size of a mini-UZI? Or is it even a Micro UZI? Look, while it is possible to have range and accuracy in somethign that small, I doubt they could hit 300 feet without a huge inner barrel and amazing hop-up. 300ft is like the max range on most sniper rifles, very difficult to get it to and above 300 feet accurately. Sorry, but I can't believe this unless I see it.

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Eh, 300 feet? with something the size of a mini-UZI? Or is it even a Micro UZI? Look, while it is possible to have range and accuracy in somethign that small, I doubt they could hit 300 feet without a huge inner barrel and amazing hop-up. 300ft is like the max range on most sniper rifles, very difficult to get it to and above 300 feet accurately. Sorry, but I can't believe this unless I see it.

 

The only thing that the inner barrel length will effect in a Gas/classic gun is the power. I have no idea how he has his gun set up, but I don't doubt that he could do it as long as he has an upgraded/ custom inner barrel and a good regulator. He probably has a hell of a lot more put into it than that, but 300 feet is not unbelievable, especially if it was supported or benched.

 

 

AEGs did not kill classics.... Lol, people used to laugh AEGs off the field.

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The only thing that the inner barrel length will effect in a Gas/classic gun is the power. I have no idea how he has his gun set up, but I don't doubt that he could do it as long as he has an upgraded/ custom inner barrel and a good regulator. He probably has a hell of a lot more put into it than that, but 300 feet is not unbelievable, especially if it was supported or benched.

 

 

AEGs did not kill classics.... Lol, people used to laugh AEGs off the field.

Uh, and why won't the inner barrel length and/or width affect the accuracy or range of a gas gun? It does on AEGs, and technically, they run on gas as well, for air is a gas. The main difference is that it is not kept in a pressurized container like the gas is on classic guns. I highly doubt the inner barrel length has no effect, but feel free to prove me wrong. You'd also need hop-up, which I know some classic guns do not come equipped with.

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It sounds like classic airsoft guns shoot faster (FPS). Why aren't there more of these guns if that is so? Wouldn't they make good sniper rifles? I'm a little confused on this, an explanation would be helpful.

 

I would love to see more classic guns, and I would own more, if they wernt so expensive! aeg m1? aeg m1 carbine? please lol

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You'd also need hop-up, which I know some classic guns do not come equipped with.

yes they don't come with the hop, they come with LRB's or long range barrel, the whole length of the barrel serves as a hop.

no rubber to cause friction or slowdown the bb's.

 

actually there is still some classics being sold here in Japan, but its being sold by individuals not the companies that made them.

 

 

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I would love to see more classic guns, and I would own more, if they wernt so expensive! aeg m1? aeg m1 carbine? please lol

If you're refering to the Marushin GBB M1 Garand and carbine, you might want to know that those arn't classics.

 

yes they don't come with the hop, they come with LRB's or long range barrel, the whole length of the barrel serves as a hop.

no rubber to cause friction or slowdown the bb's.

 

actually there is still some classics being sold here in Japan, but its being sold by individuals not the companies that made them.

If I'm not mistaken, LRBs are an additional accessory one must buy for their classic gun. Hard to come by now, since no one makes them any more.

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Rather than make a new thread, I'll piggyback off this one

 

(Newbs take note of what I just did)

 

Aren't there Classic Airsoft pistols too? I found one on Ebay with an external hose and just needing the CO2 tank (so it seems). Anyone know anything about it? Item # 180364125373

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Yeah, I had a chance to get an MGC Glock (I don't remember the model) a while back. I didn't, and I'm kicking myself for it...

I was under the impression that MGC Glocks are standard GBBs.

 

And that classic 1911 is cheap! Kinda sucks that the CO2 hookup attaches to the mag, but it might be worth far more than it's selling for.

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But do they have to? I mean, cant older (perhaps classic?) guns like the (Escort?) MP5a4 run on internal reservoirs or be externally fed?

There were a few, but the reservoirs were not pressurized, and only held enough gas for about one mag. Effectively useless. Most were not, and generally speaking, classics run on the BV system with an external gas power supply.

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For more, better, and more accurate info, send WatZ a PM on Arnie's or ASB (I don't think he's on ASF, but he may very well be). He's practically the afficianado on classics, and owns about a billion dollars worth of airsoft merchandise, including *I think* three Sheriff Highlanders, only 25 of which were ever produced.

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I was under the impression that MGC Glocks are standard GBBs.

 

And that classic 1911 is cheap! Kinda sucks that the CO2 hookup attaches to the mag, but it might be worth far more than it's selling for.

 

Gawd I SO want to buy this thing! I just got a Walther PPK CO2 GBB in the mail, but I already want to try my luck with this baby. If I can buy it, I'll review it for everyone. Plus it's a CO2 cartridge-user, so I automatically want it.

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Gawd I SO want to buy this thing! I just got a Walther PPK CO2 GBB in the mail, but I already want to try my luck with this baby. If I can buy it, I'll review it for everyone. Plus it's a CO2 cartridge-user, so I automatically want it.

Homeland Defender? BTW, I think KWC makes a thing that you can replace your regular GG/134a nozzle with to permit the use of Co2 cartridges.. Let me see if I can find it...

 

EDIT:Here...

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Homeland Defender? BTW, I think KWC makes a thing that you can replace your regular GG/134a nozzle with to permit the use of Co2 cartridges.. Let me see if I can find it...

 

EDIT:Here...

 

 

To quote Tommy Lee: "I @#$%ing love you."

 

And yeah, I have a used Homeland Defender. It's missing the screw-in part for holding the CO2 and the left side's grip. I also need to file down a part in the trigger mechanism so it catches properly with the single-action shots. I can't leave feedback unless I know for certain it'll work or not (it was disassembled when I bought it for under $20).

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Anyone heard of the Strafer Mark 4? I think this is a more 'recent' Classic airsoft design (a magazine about LE weapons listed the gun as a Less-Than-Lethal training gun). Looks like a hideous scifi gun, but hot DANG I want one! Not the best video to get all the info about the gun, but it delivers what's needed:

 

Strafer Mark 4 Mod 0

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I remember the Strafer. Havn't seen one in a while, looks kinda cool. Forgot it ran on an external gas rig, does it use a BV system as well?

 

I remember hearing about one event where after it was over, at night, they took a Strafer with a tracer unit and fired BBs into the air, sounded pretty sweet.

 

Why was the Strafer in an LE magazine?

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I'm pretty sure it is used for riot control? I remember watching a video on that

Never heard of them being used, though that would be effective. However, they have that new riot control thing that uses invisible microwave-type things which give one an extreme sense of discomfort, prompting them to GTFO.

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yes they don't come with the hop, they come with LRB's or long range barrel, the whole length of the barrel serves as a hop.

no rubber to cause friction or slowdown the bb's.

 

actually there is still some classics being sold here in Japan, but its being sold by individuals not the companies that made them.

 

I don't have much experience with classics, but just out of curiosity...why haven't they used these LR Barrels in AEGs? If this claim about an uzi hitting 300 ft. is true, it would seem like a logical step forward by using this technology in place of an AEGs hopup.

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I don't have much experience with classics, but just out of curiosity...why haven't they used these LR Barrels in AEGs? If this claim about an uzi hitting 300 ft. is true, it would seem like a logical step forward by using this technology in place of an AEGs hopup.

They do not work with AEGs, they were designed to be used with the BV system the classics used. Additionally, they are next to impossible to find anymore, and nearly as hard to find someone who can make you one. I'm not completely down with why they don't work with AEGs, you'll have to PM a classic master like WatZ.

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Well deerhunter it's like this, the companies that made most of the classics JAC&ASAHI went bankrupt after the advent of AEGs. And yes they did shoot with a higher FPS, but one of the major draw of them was the external gas rigs that made them bulky and not very easy to move with. There are still some classics out there but they demand a heavy price tag and parts are very hard to find. I hope this answers your question.

 

they do not shoot faster.... I have an escort MP5 and SP M16 and the fastest they go is around 330 which is around a stock AEG.

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