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I'm looking through brands of guns to find a nice, field m4 AEG that's good for intermediate/expert players.

Something that I can rely on out of the box to be able to nail guys at any ranges I'd need (probably up to 200 or so feet).

I just need a gun that I can rely on to last and preform well, and maintain that for a decent while.

 

Here's my requirements:

 

•nice, sturdy build

•m4

•AEG

•lipo battery ready

•ability to drop guys at longer (and close-mid) ranges with

•accurate at range and be in the 390-400ish fps range

•it MUST be at around the 230-300 dollar price range

•reliable out of the box without the need of doing any major upgrading

•RIS to customize externally

•high quality gearbox

•preferably a strong polymer or metal body

•black color

•retractable stock (I have long arms so a fully retracted stock for me is a must)

•for more experienced players

•easy to access battery that doesn’t require fuss (so it would be preferable that it has one of those roomy SOCOM stocks)

•smooth feeding without problems

•fits most stanag style magazines without feeding issues

 

 

And now, here's some optional ones:

 

•threaded barrel for a suppressor

•easy to find mags

•easy to access hop up unit

•functional bolt catch

 

I'd prefer answers that are guns, not brands. Brand answers would be too broad and wouldn't really help.

It would be nice if you've owned and handled and used the gun yourself and know the specific ins and outs of it.

 

Thanks!

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Options to consider include G&P and KWA.

Lonex AEGs by ASGI may be okay too, but the only info I have on them is my own.

 

If you can wait (and add a bit of cash to your budget) Krytac might be worth looking into and considering.

 

The problem with G&P is that I couldn't seem to find one that suited my needs that had rails.

 

The one KWA gun that I could possibly look into and buy is the KM4 SR10 2GX. http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?products_id=5633

It has most of what I'm looking for, but I've gotta do some more research. Looks promising overall.

 

Krytac was one of the brands I was looking into, but I was kind of shying away from it because of the price,

but hey, it's summer, I can always make up some money and get it, although the fps is a little on the low side...

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G&P as a whole.

 

You say that giving a brand is too broad, but essentially it all comes down to an identical gearbox/motor, and then externals for your personal preference.

 

-M4s are available.

-They are AEGs.

-Lipo-ready: Search for this topic, its been stated a million times previously. 2S lipos will be fine, very few guns are actually 3S ready.

-"Accuracy at range" is going to be like most stock AEGs. Acceptable, but you're going to have to put other parts into it to get what you want.

-380ish FPS.

-While all AEGs should have basic things like AoE and shimming done to them, G&P doesn't have any huge downfalls.

-Of the 30 million variations available, half of them have different rails you can choose from.

-G&P gearboxes check the "high quality" box, in comparison to others.

-At your budget most will have metal bodies, including G&P.

-black, tan, foliage, your choice.

-Crane stocks are the most popular in the industry.

-I have no idea what "for more experienced players" means. They are wired to deans, if that makes it feel "experienced".

-Crane stocks, easy battery access, can hold anything up to a 12v really. Or, replace the stock with something you want.

-smooth feeding is a given, and will partially depend on your magazine choice.

-G&P accepts most magazines, this shouldnt be a concern.

 

-all barrels will be threaded, just a matter of taking off the flash hider. G&Ps have CW threading.

-AEG M4 magazines are the easiest to find, period.

-pull the chrging handle, there's the hop dial. Same as all AEG M4s.

-functional bolt catch isnt on most AEGs, the ones that do have a proprietary shell then. That's mostly reserved for PTW/ERG/GBBR/BOLT/etc.

 

Hopefully that addresses most of your requirements. Consider a hopup change, and maybe a barrel change (or lap the barrel, you get the point) on really any AEG if you want the groupings to be as good as you can get. BB weight and quality will also be a determining factor.

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G&P as a whole.

 

You say that giving a brand is too broad, but essentially it all comes down to an identical gearbox/motor, and then externals for your personal preference.

 

-M4s are available.

-They are AEGs.

-Lipo-ready: Search for this topic, its been stated a million times previously. 2S lipos will be fine, very few guns are actually 3S ready.

-"Accuracy at range" is going to be like most stock AEGs. Acceptable, but you're going to have to put other parts into it to get what you want.

-380ish FPS.

-While all AEGs should have basic things like AoE and shimming done to them, G&P doesn't have any huge downfalls.

-Of the 30 million variations available, half of them have different rails you can choose from.

-G&P gearboxes check the "high quality" box, in comparison to others.

-At your budget most will have metal bodies, including G&P.

-black, tan, foliage, your choice.

-Crane stocks are the most popular in the industry.

-I have no idea what "for more experienced players" means. They are wired to deans, if that makes it feel "experienced".

-Crane stocks, easy battery access, can hold anything up to a 12v really. Or, replace the stock with something you want.

-smooth feeding is a given, and will partially depend on your magazine choice.

-G&P accepts most magazines, this shouldnt be a concern.

 

-all barrels will be threaded, just a matter of taking off the flash hider. G&Ps have CW threading.

-AEG M4 magazines are the easiest to find, period.

-pull the chrging handle, there's the hop dial. Same as all AEG M4s.

-functional bolt catch isnt on most AEGs, the ones that do have a proprietary shell then. That's mostly reserved for PTW/ERG/GBBR/BOLT/etc.

 

Hopefully that addresses most of your requirements. Consider a hopup change, and maybe a barrel change (or lap the barrel, you get the point) on really any AEG if you want the groupings to be as good as you can get. BB weight and quality will also be a determining factor.

 

Again, the G&Ps look nice, but I can't seem to find an m4 that suits my particular needs that come with RIS.

From the research I've done, you have to install RIS for a lot of the guns after buying the gun.

That's a minor turn off for me, but, I can make some compromises to find one with RIS. The external customization

is a major factor in buying a gun for me.

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KWA SR10, more proprietary as a whole, but stable out of the box without a doubt.

 

What kind of rails do you want? I can almost guarantee there's one out there with the kind of rail you want, unless it's some fancy Madbull one, although they have some of those.

 

Evike has a lot of builds they do with a new RIS, cheaper than buying it seperately.

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KWA SR10, more proprietary as a whole, but stable out of the box without a doubt.

 

What kind of rails do you want? I can almost guarantee there's one out there with the kind of rail you want, unless it's some fancy Madbull one, although they have some of those.

 

Evike has a lot of builds they do with a new RIS, cheaper than buying it seperately.

 

 

I'm just looking for plain RIS so that I can attach an AFG, a bipod, flashlight, fore grip, or whatever attachment(s) the situation I'm playing in calls for.

I also looked at an Echo 1 Platinum Series M4 that comes with RIS (I think)... I've heard that echo 1 internals are taken from some low quality guns... got anything on that? are their internals good?

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I'm just looking for plain RIS so that I can attach an AFG, a bipod, flashlight, fore grip, or whatever attachment(s) the situation I'm playing in calls for.

I also looked at an Echo 1 Platinum Series M4 that comes with RIS (I think)... I've heard that echo 1 internals are taken from some low quality guns... got anything on that? are their internals good?

 

When I think plain RIS, I think KAC 7" drop-ins, although that may be different from your perspective.

Here's one with a pretty standard 7" free float CQBR configuration.

http://www.evike.com/products/42404/

 

Also, your desired barrel length is helpful.

 

The Echo1 arent terrible, but for the price you can do a lot better. I might buy an E1 if it was cheaper, but I would rather something else in the price range.

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When I think plain RIS, I think KAC 7" drop-ins, although that may be different from your perspective.

Here's one with a pretty standard 7" free float CQBR configuration.

http://www.evike.com/products/42404/

 

Also, your desired barrel length is helpful.

 

The Echo1 arent terrible, but for the price you can do a lot better. I might buy an E1 if it was cheaper, but I would rather something else in the price range.

 

I checked out that CQB-R... doesn't look too bad. Fairly cheap, and, externally, that could possibly be exactly what I'm searching for.

Except for those annoying zombie trades. Those urk me.

I've just gotta do some research on the internals and how sturdy this thing is before I make a decision...

 

EDIT: I'm looking at the Evike custom version in black, looks somewhat more promising, although I'm not a big fan of that suppressor.

It looks strange, but it's not that big of a deal. This gun is basically the same thing as the zombie one, but without the weird trades and a couple other minor details.

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Where are you doing your research?

 

Check out WGC shop to see the variety of M4s G&P offers. Evike also has some if you want a US retailer however ordering AEGs from overseas

isn't a biggie. Their MK18 and Sentry series for example is popular and both meet all your requirements except "for more experienced players".

What do you mean by that? lol

http://www.wgcshop.com/wgc2008/main/produc...p;view_choice=a

http://www.evike.com/products/37644/

 

Krytac gearboxes also feature a quick change spring feature so you can probably drop in an M120 spring or whatever if you want moar FPS. They'll probably

have more info on it soon or something.

 

 

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Where are you doing your research?

 

Check out WGC shop to see the variety of M4s G&P offers. Evike also has some if you want a US retailer however ordering AEGs from overseas

isn't a biggie. Their MK18 and Sentry series for example is popular and both meet all your requirements except "for more experienced players".

What do you mean by that? lol

http://www.wgcshop.com/wgc2008/main/produc...p;view_choice=a

http://www.evike.com/products/37644/

 

Krytac gearboxes also feature a quick change spring feature so you can probably drop in an M120 spring or whatever if you want moar FPS. They'll probably

have more info on it soon or something.

 

 

What I mean by "for more experienced players" is, you know, you're not gonna give a veteran airsofter who attends milsim events every other week and has a 1200 dollar kit a spring ak and one of those mini aug AEG pistols and say "do what you do best", right? - You'd give him a nice, decent or high quality gun that is more higher end and a nice gbb or non blowback gas pistol, depending on their personal preference. You know what I mean? Something that's meant to compete well on the field.

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hahaha that is a "it depends" response but I understand you want an AEG that is good to go out of the box that won't hinder you.

 

If you're interested in a KWA you should check out their forums so you can read about which specific parts are proprietary and the modifications other KWA owners have done with success.

 

If you can wait it out I think it would be worth it to see if Krytac lives up to the hype as players pick them up and start running them. The other brands will still be available and who knows maybe Krytac guns will be pretty good value for the money spent.

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hahaha that is a "it depends" response but I understand you want an AEG that is good to go out of the box that won't hinder you.

 

If you're interested in a KWA you should check out their forums so you can read about which specific parts are proprietary and the modifications other KWA owners have done with success.

 

If you can wait it out I think it would be worth it to see if Krytac lives up to the hype as players pick them up and start running them. The other brands will still be available and who knows maybe Krytac guns will be pretty good value for the money spent.

 

The hopup, GB shell, and air nozzle are all proprietary for KWA, at the least. There may be more, not sure.

 

The G&P Defender is their MK18 version, and the Sentry is the DD Lite 7.0, or what it would be if it were a real rail.

 

There are a lot of Evike customs, that arent really custom other than a bolt on rail. But if that's what your looking for...

 

If you want a name-brand rail (If you know what I mean here, such as a Madbull-licensed DD/Troy/SWS/VTAC/Noveske), its most likely going to be over budget.

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Honestly, I don't think I'm ready for doing and fancy-shmancy tech work quite yet, I'm afraid im gonna break something xD

I'm looking at the Evike Custom version of G&P's M4 CQB-R. Looks pretty promising to me. Basically everything I'm looking for

without the hassle of having to detach/attach anything extra, and it's one flat price.

 

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Honestly, I don't think I'm ready for doing and fancy-shmancy tech work quite yet, I'm afraid im gonna break something xD

I'm looking at the Evike Custom version of G&P's M4 CQB-R. Looks pretty promising to me. Basically everything I'm looking for

without the hassle of having to detach/attach anything extra, and it's one flat price.

 

If you want an M4 with a rail system, get another model instead of dealing with swapping out standard handguards and possibly getting a wobbling handguard RIS. Look for a model that already has a freefloat rail system installed.

 

Just so you know, those Evike Custom models are basically the same as the OEM but with a receiver that has Evike logos on it. Nothing else really different.

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If you want an M4 with a rail system, get another model instead of dealing with swapping out standard handguards and possibly getting a wobbling handguard RIS. Look for a model that already has a freefloat rail system installed.

 

Just so you know, those Evike Custom models are basically the same as the OEM but with a receiver that has Evike logos on it. Nothing else really different.

 

The standard version of the evike custom CQB-R that I'm looking at has a bunch of zombie trademarks and those are fugly in my opinion.

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I can answer pretty much answer all Krytac question in terms of technical specification and design concept.

 

As for cost, if you can afford KWA SR7 and SR10. You can afford Krytac CRB or SPR. The price is within the same bracket range.

 

I took a short video the other day with the SPR running M150 spring. Everything else is STOCK.

 

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