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Incident at Jericho Airsoft, CA

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Hey everyone,

 

My friend informed me the other day of an incident that occured at Jericho Airsoft in Lake Elsinore, CA. Apparently there was also news coverage of this event. I thought I would share this with you guys since it shows how important integrity, honesty, sportsmanship, and maturity is to airsoft, qualities the instigator of this fight clearly did not have. It's very unfortunate that this happened. People like the one who started the fight should be removed from our sport. Props to the guy with the camera for being mature and giving medical attention to the injured player.

 

 

Remember, airsoft is just a game and should be treated as such. It's okay to take it seriously, but know when to stop so an incident like this doesn't happen. It's people like this that give airsoft a bad taste in the public's mouth.

 

I'd like to hear what you guys think of this situation, and what we airsofters can do as a community to prevent something like this from happening again.

 

Thanks for reading,

B.A.M.F.

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There are better videos of this incident ie. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjjJF7sRh6Q

 

There are good fields and bad fields, as players it's important that we support the good ones and stay away from the bad. Most of what makes a field good is the people, the staff, the players, etc. Essentially, the community that revolves around that field. Most of what makes a field bad is the same type of stuff.

 

Hopefully word will be spread who these (specific) players are, and they will be banned from most fields in the region. I honestly hope criminal charges were pressed (b'cos this likely falls under assault) but I don't know any details beyond what I hear. Likewise, hopefully people will hear about the problems at this field and avoid it in the future. I know their staff has tried to whitewash it on social media, but players know this kind of thing does not happen at a field that is run well.

 

I'm not big on the community, I'm actually quite fine with airsoft as it is now without any kind of organization beyond the field level and a few large events. I've seen the negative effects (especially over the long term) that sanctioning bodies had in paintball and other hobby/competition activities I've been involved in and it's always been hurtful to both the common players and the activity itself. Choice is key, and as long as we have choice, these kinds of problems will sort themselves out (over time).

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BTW here is the jericho response:

https://www.facebook.com/jerichoairsoft/posts/910570005650159

 

There are a few different statements about what happened but I don't think the initial struggle between the two guys was as much as a problem as much as when the guys dressed in black started to join in. And I think those who come from a law enforcement background can comment on the ability (or inability) of the staff to take control or at least defuse the situation. To me they seem to be doing a pretty bad job at it.

 

From what I heard, once the police showed up, they watched the videos and talked to the participants to determine who the perpetrators were. After that they had to escort those involved off the property one group at a time in order to prevent any further altercations.

 

I honestly wouldn't mind if Jericho got shut down or just sold off to new owners for a pittance because of this, the best way to ensure that parks are well run is to reward the good ones and make examples of the poor ones. Even before this incident Jericho did not have the best rep to begin with.

 

BTW this made the local news and it's sad to see that this video will probably be the introduction a lot of watches have to airsoft's existance. ie.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2015/02/17/caught-on-camera-war-game-gets-out-of-hand-at-airsoft-range/

Edited by Shutaro

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Yikes. It's too bad things like this happen. Overall, Airsoft is a good sport, and it warms my heart whenever I see a handshake or a "my bad, sorry man." Yet, there'll always be those hotheads that take it way too far. The best we can do is promote good sportsmanship and ban those who refuse to use it.

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Just so others know, this kind of thing is known to happen at the basketball courts, soccer fields, etc anyplace where there is a competitive activity involving emotional wannabe males.

 

It sucks because the field is not bad but based on my limited experience playing there 2011-2012 I would say that game control could be much better at stomping out bad behavior in general. However this is an issue at other fields as well and I suspect sportsmanship is severely lacking in many airsoft circles.

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It sucks because the field is not bad but based on my limited experience playing there 2011-2012 I would say that game control could be much better at stomping out bad behavior in general. However this is an issue at other fields as well and I suspect sportsmanship is severely lacking in many airsoft circles.

Both bad behavior and good behavior can be self-perpetuating or build on themselves. Once a field becomes known for tolerating bad behavior, bad players will flock to it and eventually the good ones will get fed up and leave. So in general, unless you take a proactive approach when it comes to bad behavior, it will continue to get worse until it is out of control. This is why, the best strategy for developing a good field is to hire staff you can trust, make an example out of perpetrators, and punish bad behavior harshly. A little bit of deterrence goes a long way, and the rest of your customers (in my experience, most players are well-behaved) will equally appreciate it.

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Way back when I had a Bench of Shame on my paintball field. Any of my staff caught someone cheating they would "sit" on it for a whole round, this was made known to them at orientation . People going on and off the field could see who was sitting on it.

 

Only had to use it once. One other time the guy left rather than sit on the bench. I just openly announced the guy's name that left just to let everyone know "to" re-balance the teams...humiliation is a great deterrent.

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Yeah, at least subconsciously, many people fear a type of humiliation or "shame before your peers" more than death. Though this generally doesn't hold true for other types of shame like guilt or shame before people who are not peers. It might seem like psychological bullying but they earned it, so make them pay the price for the greater good.

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It's really sad that for every incident like this, there are 100 more where people younger than this handle it more maturely. But this is what the media is going to talk about. The media is trying to get this sport banned and/or ruined and these people are just throwing gas into the fire. I'd love for the sport to be bigger but because of these incidents, people are turning away.

 

I say get to the bottom of what happened between the first 2, what seem like, kids. Then charge the bald guy with assault.

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IMO things have a 'natural' size and when they start to grow beyond that size, that's when these unfortunate incidents start to happen on a regular basis. B'cos the players are no longer enthusiasts, the community is no longer 'small' to the point where everyone knows everyone and reputation actually matters, etc.

 

The problem is that inevitably, businesses will try to grow the community for their own benefit.

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WOW, I saw the second video of the initial melee, but never the first. One thing to notice, the kid was hit by his OWN FATHER/UNCLE. If you notice in the second vid, as the cameraman was putting his goggles down his face is fine, then the bald guy comes in and throws a punch which misses his target and hits the 14 year old kid!! shame....

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yeah...that is pretty bad sportsmanship. Good on the injured guy for not loosing it. His father needs to take a class in anger management and the REF needs to learn when to kick people off of the field. Pretty piss poor behavior.

 

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Just watched the second vid...0_o. I hope they pressed charges. That guy was way to old not to know better.

Edited by Ikilljoy

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Its a real shame that people need to act like this, also even worse that the father came in and joined the fight. Unfortunately I can not read what Jericho said since the link is dead, but I can say that the people who fought should be banned and if legal action needs to be taken than let it. I have never been to this field, although I have heard of some bad experiences coming from it. I really wish the sport didn't have the few people that act like this.

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I might be able to answer some of that.

I spoke with the field's owner shortly after this incident aired. He relayed to me that the player whom started the fight (in black) and indeed his whole team who seemed all to eager to get involved have been banned at that field, and potentially at other nearby fields as well.

He assured me that this is not a frequent incident at the field and is being dealt with in an "appropriate manner." I must admit I know no further details past my brief communication nor what happened to the other players involved.

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