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Hello everyone!

I was looking into purchasing a gun (I know my third post into the topic, calm down I have figured out what I want), and I needed a bit of help picking something out. I run a E&C M16A3 with a M203 grenade launcher (http://www.evike.com/products/54830/), and it gets really heavy to hold (weighs 13.5 pounds most of which is in the front), which I have set up in a support gunner style. I was looking into getting a smaller AEG for use at my local CQB field as my M16 is unwieldy for use in small environments. Although I would still like it to be able to perform on an outdoors field if I don't want to lug my heavy M16 around all day. I have a budget of $350 to $400 (I would prefer recommendations on Evike as I have a 22% off coupon, but feel free to recommend the best for my budget regardless of vendor).

 

Some guns I have been looking at are from Krytac, they have been--from what I understand--a pretty good choice for people who want decent guns out of the box.

Guns that interest me by manufacturer (incomplete list, I will add to it as time progresses):

 

Krytac:

Trident CRB in Wolf Grey (http://www.evike.com/products/56630/) $325

Trident PDW in Wolf Grey (http://www.evike.com/products/56629/) $295

The lack of sights on the PDW concerns me though (it has none out of the box).

ICS:

"Silver Shadow" M4 SRB (http://www.evike.com/products/54429/) $319 ($260 on sale)

CXP 264 (http://www.evike.com/products/48374/) $319 with $63 store credit ($319 with 10 midcaps in a special sale) This is EBB and has a split gearbox which I think would be immensely useful as a newby.

G&P

M4 Paratrooper (http://www.evike.com/products/41568/) $299.99 (On sale for $240)

 

My hope is to have about $300 in buying power by April 24, 2016, and $450 by May 1, 2016.

 

Important info:

  • I will need a battery for the gun so factor that into the price (11.1v LiPo if possible)
  • I want to get some midcaps (I was thinking about 2 hexmags at ~$17 apiece)
  • Coupon of 22% off only applies to things not on sale
  • (Not required, but appreciated) Compatible with M4/M16 style mags

Thanks for the help, and happy hunting!

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Hello everyone!

I was looking into purchasing a gun (I know my third post into the topic, calm down I have figured out what I want), and I needed a bit of help picking something out. I run a E&C M16A3 with a M203 grenade launcher (http://www.evike.com/products/54830/), and it gets really heavy to hold (weighs 13.5 pounds most of which is in the front), which I have set up in a support gunner style. I was looking into getting a smaller AEG for use at my local CQB field as my M16 is unwieldy for use in small environments. Although I would still like it to be able to perform on an outdoors field if I don't want to lug my heavy M16 around all day. I have a budget of $350 to $400 (I would prefer recommendations on Evike as I have a 22% off coupon, but feel free to recommend the best for my budget regardless of vendor).

 

Some guns I have been looking at are from Krytac, they have been--from what I understand--a pretty good choice for people who want decent guns out of the box.

Guns that interest me by manufacturer (incomplete list, I will add to it as time progresses):

 

Krytac:

Trident CRB in Wolf Grey (http://www.evike.com/products/56630/) $325

Trident PDW in Wolf Grey (http://www.evike.com/products/56629/) $295

The lack of sights on the PDW concerns me though (it has none out of the box).

ICS:

"Silver Shadow" M4 SRB (http://www.evike.com/products/54429/) $319 ($260 on sale)

CXP 264 (http://www.evike.com/products/48374/) $319 with $63 store credit ($319 with 10 midcaps in a special sale) This is EBB and has a split gearbox which I think would be immensely useful as a newby.

 

My hope is to have about $300 in buying power by April 24, 2016, and $450 by May 1, 2016.

 

Important info:

  • I will need a battery for the gun so factor that into the price (11.1v LiPo if possible)
  • I want to get some midcaps (I was thinking about 2 hexmags at ~$17 apiece)
  • Coupon of 22% off only applies to things not on sale

Thanks for the help, and happy hunting!

woah bro that's a lot. but alright. g&p m4 paratrooper http://www.evike.com/products/41568/ would be good for what you want. don't BUY AIRSOFT LIPOS. crap, cheaply made, and over priced. look on ebay for "11.1v lipo" or "3s lipo" even amazon has super nicely priced lipos. MUCH cheaper. if you want to get those, that's your preference but ive seen really nice performance out of g&p high speed magazines. especially paired with a g&p gun http://www.evike.com/products/25338/ krytacs are actually very good too. ics makes mediocre guns at least with my experience. split gearboxes are nothing but gearboxes split. nothing special. it cracks, and you spend a lot of money on a new gearbox

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woah bro that's a lot. but alright. g&p m4 paratrooper http://www.evike.com/products/41568/ would be good for what you want. don't BUY AIRSOFT LIPOS. crap, cheaply made, and over priced. look on ebay for "11.1v lipo" or "3s lipo" even amazon has super nicely priced lipos. MUCH cheaper. if you want to get those, that's your preference but ive seen really nice performance out of g&p high speed magazines. especially paired with a g&p gun http://www.evike.com/products/25338/ krytacs are actually very good too. ics makes mediocre guns at least with my experience. split gearboxes are nothing but gearboxes split. nothing special. it cracks, and you spend a lot of money on a new gearbox

Hello,

Thanks for the quick response, I do apologize for the mass of information, I attempt to spell out everything so that I don't need to elaborate in the future and potentially cause confusion. While I like the G&P, the phrase on the side of the receiver, "The judge meeting is arranged for terrorist", is a bit too absurd. The front sight is fixed which makes adding a red dot more of a challenge (I don't own one now but I have always planned on getting one). While neither is a deal breaker I would still like to consider additional options. The mags you suggested seem great, 130 rounds and metal for (as of time of writing) $11.00 is insane! The main reason I wanted the split gearbox was the fact that I broke a selector plate when I opened a standard gearbox, and the split box is easier to disassemble, which hopefully will alleviate additional breakage due to incompetence. The tip about buying batteries else where is useful, though I was told by my local tech that some of them may be overly powerful as they were not originally intended for use in an airsoft gun. Thanks for the input, do you have any other recommendations?

Happy hunting!

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Hello,

Thanks for the quick response, I do apologize for the mass of information, I attempt to spell out everything so that I don't need to elaborate in the future and potentially cause confusion. While I like the G&P, the phrase on the side of the receiver, "The judge meeting is arranged for terrorist", is a bit too absurd. The front sight is fixed which makes adding a red dot more of a challenge (I don't own one now but I have always planned on getting one). While neither is a deal breaker I would still like to consider additional options. The mags you suggested seem great, 130 rounds and metal for (as of time of writing) $11.00 is insane! The main reason I wanted the split gearbox was the fact that I broke a selector plate when I opened a standard gearbox, and the split box is easier to disassemble, which hopefully will alleviate additional breakage due to incompetence. The tip about buying batteries else where is useful, though I was told by my local tech that some of them may be overly powerful as they were not originally intended for use in an airsoft gun. Thanks for the input, do you have any other recommendations?

Happy hunting!

hmmm. as you stated in the first post, a krytac would be very nice. for the time being, grab elite force midcaps, they feed very well. or, due to the ROF of the krytac, you'll blow out of midcaps in like 6 sec of full auto, so grab a really nice high cap. you CAN take off the front sight off of the g&p and I agree the phrase is absurd. $11 is actually really nice for the QUALITY of the mag. the quality way outweighs the price. I know people who use them in dsg's (60 rps setups) and the selector plate breaking just meant it was cheap quality. the tech was wrong and was trying to make you spend more money at his shop which is what businesses do. if you get "45-60c" batteries then yes it is WAY overpowered and meant for guns with a nice mosfet. but 20-35c batteries are very nice and meant for these guns. I wouldn't (to be honest) recommend using an 11.1 with the krytac. I would recommend using a 7.4v as it has an insane rof for a stock gun (as mentioned above) or with this gun http://www.evike.com/products/39956/ you might like, use only a 9.6v NIMH or 7.4v lipo until you get a MOSFET. sorry for bunching my words but I'm a bit tired today ('-_-)

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Hello,

....at I broke a selector plate when I opened a standard gearbox, and the split box is easier to disassemble, which hopefully will alleviate additional breakage due to incompetence. The tip about buying batteries else where is useful, though I was told by my local tech that some of them may be overly powerful as they were not originally intended for use in an airsoft gun. ...

For issue on broken tappet plate. No...if you were not careful and broke one in a regular mechbox...you can break one from a split mechbox.

 

For the issue about the battery...you now NEED to stop listening to this tech. He is so wrong on how battery works and if he is wrong on batteries...he may be wrong on other things.

 

Electricity works on a draw principle...how much does that motor draw...how much does that bulb draw....etc.

 

It is NOT on push principle...which is what your tech is saying be having a battery that is to powerful.

 

And Mrbeny47...your battery information is wrong. Please learn proper battery specs and use before spreading wrong info.

 

45C is NOT way to powerful it is one aspect of determining if a battery is Suitable for Airsoft use.

 

There are minimum standards for batteries...no maximums. If your AEG requires ~15A of power to run...normal for M120 AEG on HS motor. You need a 15A under load battery!

 

Examples:

 

15C 1000mah = 15A Discharge under load...battery at upper limit....do not use.

 

10C 4000mah = 40A Discharge under load, fine for above AEG

100C 500mah = 50A Discharge under load, fine for above AEG

 

5C 2000mah = 10A Discharge under load...battery at is insufficient....do not use. If you do use...ROF will be slow and you can damage battery and/or jam AEG mid-stroke.

 

60C 1500mah = 90A Discharge under load, fine for above AEG

 

Now I just made this video with a GSG G14 as an example. Its under load draw is roughly 14.5A and that means only 3 of 5 batteries above is suitable for use.

 

Draw and distributed delivery under load.

 

 

Now notice as I play with the voltage. Draw is the SAME...while ROF goes up or down...this is how battery packs work.

 

If you also notice the Amp spikes more with lower voltage...too...but that takes us down another path. So...you want linear voltage with more than enough amps delivery in a pack to give your AEG the most consistent operation speed while preserving battery life.

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For issue on broken tappet plate. No...if you were not careful and broke one in a regular mechbox...you can break one from a split mechbox.

 

For the issue about the battery...you now NEED to stop listening to this tech. He is so wrong on how battery works and if he is wrong on batteries...he may be wrong on other things.

 

Electricity works on a draw principle...how much does that motor draw...how much does that bulb draw....etc.

 

It is NOT on push principle...which is what your tech is saying be having a battery that is to powerful.

 

And Mrbeny47...your battery information is wrong. Please learn proper battery specs and use before spreading wrong info.

 

45C is NOT way to powerful it is one aspect of determining if a battery is Suitable for Airsoft use.

 

There are minimum standards for batteries...no maximums. If your AEG requires ~15A of power to run...normal for M120 AEG on HS motor. You need a 15A under load battery!

 

Examples:

 

15C 1000mah = 15A Discharge under load...battery at upper limit....do not use.

 

10C 4000mah = 40A Discharge under load, fine for above AEG

100C 500mah = 50A Discharge under load, fine for above AEG

 

5C 2000mah = 10A Discharge under load...battery at is insufficient....do not use. If you do use...ROF will be slow and you can damage battery and/or jam AEG mid-stroke.

 

60C 1500mah = 90A Discharge under load, fine for above AEG

 

Now I just made this video with a GSG G14 as an example. Its under load draw is roughly 14.5A and that means only 3 of 5 batteries above is suitable for use.

 

Draw and distributed delivery under load.

 

 

Now notice as I play with the voltage. Draw is the SAME...while ROF goes up or down...this is how battery packs work.

 

If you also notice the Amp spikes more with lower voltage...too...but that takes us down another path. So...you want linear voltage with more than enough amps delivery in a pack to give your AEG the most consistent operation speed while preserving battery life.

I'm sorry that I'm only 16 :/. I'm just saying what I was told. but I will do more research :P

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Its good that you are 16. It means you are still learning, unlike most people who are done with school, assume they know everything and refuse to learn.

 

Keep learning...I do...if I am wrong today...correct me so I can learn. And in turn I will do the same for you so you can continue to learn.

 

Like Ice Picking a Green Gas gun so it will fire a whole mag even when the temp is only 50 degrees.

 

I am having a hell of an "argument" with some guys that think CO2 is the answer for low temp operation and they disregard all other information as false...its so sad.

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Its good that you are 16. It means you are still learning, unlike most people who are done with school, assume they know everything and refuse to learn.

 

Keep learning...I do...if I am wrong today...correct me so I can learn. And in turn I will do the same for you so you can continue to learn.

 

Like Ice Picking a Green Gas gun so it will fire a whole mag even when the temp is only 50 degrees.

 

I am having a hell of an "argument" with some guys that think CO2 is the answer for low temp operation and they disregard all other information as false...its so sad.

I know. :) would you like to proofread my book after it's done and correct me on things I may get wrong if I do? and I will ;). thank you :). and I know what you mean. gbb's just aren't meant for that weather.

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Hello!

Sorry for not responding in a few days. I didn't mean to cause an argument but that seems to have resolved itself peacefully. Just for context, when my tech said that he was reffering to a 11.1v 5200 mAh 25/8C battery that I had from use in RC's.

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In other news, I think I have narrowed my choices down to the two Krytac's. My only dilemma is choosing which to buy. I have the PDW (http://www.evike.com/products/56629/) which is the best for the CQB environment I will be doing most of my playing in, or I have the CRB (http://www.evike.com/products/56630/) which will have better performance in the field, and is about the size of the average M4 so it will work well in a CQB environment. I have heard great things about the Krytac PDW's accuracy and range (people say that it is great for the length of barrel it has). I have hear wonderful things about the CRB too. I did see a range test on the PDW of ~130ft (40m in video). So I guess in the end it comes down to personal preference, with slight differences in performance. As of right now I am leaning PDW (the little gun that could), but the CRB is so sexy.

 

Before I make a decision, would anyone like to suggest additional guns? I want to make sure there isn't a thing that looks awesome and fits all my criteria the I overlooked.

 

Just to be clear Evike has stated in their video of the PDW that it come with sights. I just don't understand why one review said the PDW didn't have any (a mistake?).

I watched this video again (this time on PC) and saw an annotation stating that it does not include sights.

 

In the end, my purchase will include a battery (undecided, feel free to suggest one, looking for a 11.1v LiPo), 3 Elite Force 130 round midcaps, and the gun itself.

Side note: the PDW only fits a few batteries, only one 11.1v (http://www.evike.com/products/40190/) and costs $22.48.

 

The last and final concern I should have (and should have spelt out earlier) are the FPS limits of my local fields. My CQB field has a max of 351 FPS (semi-automatic only). My outdoors field has a FPS limit of 400 (full-auto allowed, RPS technically doesn't matter but I have a 50ft minimum range when in full-auto if above 20 RPS, otherwise 10ft).

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I know. :) would you like to proofread my book after it's done and correct me on things I may get wrong if I do? and I will ;). thank you :). and I know what you mean. gbb's just aren't meant for that weather.

 

 

Ummm. No. You can run gbbs down to 30 degrees on Propene and an Ice Pick Valve now.

 

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Hello!

Sorry for not responding in a few days. I didn't mean to cause an argument but that seems to have resolved itself peacefully. Just for context, when my tech said that he was reffering to a 11.1v 5200 mAh 25/8C battery that I had from use in RC's.

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In other news, I think I have narrowed my choices down to the two Krytac's. My only dilemma is choosing which to buy. I have the PDW (http://www.evike.com/products/56629/) which is the best for the CQB environment I will be doing most of my playing in, or I have the CRB (http://www.evike.com/products/56630/) which will have better performance in the field, and is about the size of the average M4 so it will work well in a CQB environment. I have heard great things about the Krytac PDW's accuracy and range (people say that it is great for the length of barrel it has). I have hear wonderful things about the CRB too. I did see a range test on the PDW of ~130ft (40m in video). So I guess in the end it comes down to personal preference, with slight differences in performance. As of right now I am leaning PDW (the little gun that could), but the CRB is so sexy.

 

Before I make a decision, would anyone like to suggest additional guns? I want to make sure there isn't a thing that looks awesome and fits all my criteria the I overlooked.

 

Just to be clear Evike has stated in their video of the PDW that it come with sights. I just don't understand why one review said the PDW didn't have any (a mistake?).

I watched this video again (this time on PC) and saw an annotation stating that it does not include sights.

 

In the end, my purchase will include a battery (undecided, feel free to suggest one, looking for a 11.1v LiPo), 3 Elite Force 130 round midcaps, and the gun itself.

Side note: the PDW only fits a few batteries, only one 11.1v (http://www.evike.com/products/40190/) and costs $22.48.

 

The last and final concern I should have (and should have spelt out earlier) are the FPS limits of my local fields. My CQB field has a max of 351 FPS (semi-automatic only). My outdoors field has a FPS limit of 400 (full-auto allowed, RPS technically doesn't matter but I have a 50ft minimum range when in full-auto if above 20 RPS, otherwise 10ft).

 

 

Just because a gun has a shorter barrel, doesn't mean it is useless on anything but CQB. R-Hop or flat hop and you can be getting kills at 150+ feet just as easily as people with 400mm+ barrels can get.

 

BUT since the CRB is shooting a little hot means you can't use it in your local CQB field. BUT ( :P ) the CRB has a QC spring. So you can easily swap out the spring to have it shooting under 350.

 

So.

 

I would get the CRB, a $14 M100 or M90 spring.

 

Battery? Ah heck a 8.4v 1000 MaH is fine. (jokes)

Ask Guges. He seems very knowledgeable is batteries.

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Quick question, how hot does the CRB shoot? I heard that springs take time to "settle in" so could that be the issue? Relating to the battery this one (http://www.evike.com/products/33009/) looks okay. I am planning on getting two, but I don't know if I would need the second.

CRB cost breakdown:

Gun: $325.00 (http://www.evike.com/products/56630/)

Magazines (3): $22.50 (http://www.evike.com/products/39406/)

BB’s (3): $33.00 (http://www.evike.com/products/35511/)

Batteries (2): $56.00 (http://www.evike.com/products/33009/)

Flash hider: $9.00 (http://www.evike.com/products/53552/)

Spring: $12.00 (http://www.evike.com/products/26258/)

Total cost: $457.50

No sales tax, and with free shipping this should be all this gun will cost me. Anyone have changes to suggest?

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Quick question, how hot does the CRB shoot? I heard that springs take time to "settle in" so could that be the issue? Relating to the battery this one (http://www.evike.com/products/33009/) looks okay. I am planning on getting two, but I don't know if I would need the second.

CRB cost breakdown:

Gun: $325.00 (http://www.evike.com/products/56630/)

Magazines (3): $22.50 (http://www.evike.com/products/39406/)

BB’s (3): $33.00 (http://www.evike.com/products/35511/)

Batteries (2): $56.00 (http://www.evike.com/products/33009/)

Flash hider: $9.00 (http://www.evike.com/products/53552/)

Spring: $12.00 (http://www.evike.com/products/26258/)

Total cost: $457.50

No sales tax, and with free shipping this should be all this gun will cost me. Anyone have changes to suggest?

I have not seen or heard about any problems about them besides battery space.. other than that, and the mags, I think that'd be a nice choice ;)

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So the mags are a problem? If so what else would you suggest? Otherwise thanks for the help!

the only problem with the mags and the gun is the proprietary mags lol. nothing wrong with the mag itself

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the only problem with the mags and the gun is the proprietary mags lol. nothing wrong with the mag itself

I don't understand. When I look up the word proprietary, I get a definition stating: manufactured and sold only by the owner of the patent, formula, brand name, or trademark associated with the product (dictionary.com). So is the fact that they are Elite Force the problem? Are they more expensive then they need to be? If I am being ripped off please do notify me.

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I don't understand. When I look up the word proprietary, I get a definition stating: manufactured and sold only by the owner of the patent, formula, brand name, or trademark associated with the product (dictionary.com). So is the fact that they are Elite Force the problem? Are they more expensive then they need to be? If I am being ripped off please do notify me

 

don't listen to me lol. the gun is good. I'm beyond tired right now. idk why. it's only 9:35 where I am :(

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And why are you suprised?

 

It's just 6 cells hooked in series to give you more voltage. It's quite common practice.

 

Heck...I have a 2S 7800 mah pack that has the discharge capability to run 10 AEG's in parallel simultaneously. That is 7800mah under 30C continuous. That is ~230A discharge capability...which is 10 AEG's...like in the video. Imagine...10 guys tethered to one brick battery.

 

And I would go with a 2S pack. You don't need the headaches of a 3S pack when your a new player and don't know what you are doing yet.

 

Example: 3S Pack with a M90 spring...kiss your piston good buy. If you don't know why this is...go with 2S for now. BTW...its called PE.

 

BTW...get pack from Hobby King...for 10.00 each...

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East coast US? I am there too! (Buffalo NY)

yes I am haha I'm in florida. I'm currently a little fatigued atm. I have no idea why I've been eating. I did have a bad headache his morning tho. don't know if they have anything to do with each other tho. oh whale. but that's no surprise haha. they can go up to really high voltages.

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And why are you suprised?

 

It's just 6 cells hooked in series to give you more voltage. It's quite common practice.

 

Heck...I have a 2S 7800 mah pack that has the discharge capability to run 10 AEG's in parallel simultaneously. That is 7800mah under 30C continuous. That is ~230A discharge capability...which is 10 AEG's...like in the video. Imagine...10 guys tethered to one brick battery.

 

And I would go with a 2S pack. You don't need the headaches of a 3S pack when your a new player and don't know what you are doing yet.

 

Example: 3S Pack with a M90 spring...kiss your piston good buy. If you don't know why this is...go with 2S for now. BTW...its called PE.

 

BTW...get pack from Hobby King...for 10.00 each...

I was just messing around with battery pricing online, no need to be hostile. When you are talking about the piston being destroyed my best guess is that the teeth would be stripped due to the light pull.

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I was just messing around with battery pricing online, no need to be hostile. When you are talking about the piston being destroyed my best guess is that the teeth would be stripped due to the light pull.

pre engagement. it's when a tooth on the sector gear engages WAY too early. that's why people short stroke. but since you are kinda new to this thing, I wouldn't suggest doing it by yourself.

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