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So, decided I was to really get into airsoft with an AEG, and move on from the toy spring pistols. I've picked out a couple guns, and I want to know which is the best. I'll be playing outdoors at OXCC and on a homemade thin long map in the backyard.

I like the looks of this the best and it comes with a MOSFET, but it has a lower FPS and short barrel (Correct me if I'm wrong but I think a longer barrel is more accurate and has better range): http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?products_id=21384

 

This has the highest FPS, but I've heard fps = range is a common myth: http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?products_id=15760

 

This looks like the longest range "rifle" type, and it is definitely second on look (for me): http://www.evike.com/products/33558/

 

Also, what's a cheap (under $100) gun for my little brother to play with occasionally?

 

Thanks,

Kevin

 

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If the "gun" is under 100.00. It's not even in the same class as yours. It would be a MPEG.

 

Just buy him a small AEG and let it be a fair fight.

 

Longer is better to a point then it does not matter. 280mm minimum is what you need for the bb to be stabilized.

 

Have an AEG come with a MOSFET is not always a good thing. IN fact it can be a detriment if the FET is a cheap one and it conks out on you. You cannot get the replacement that easy.

 

Go with a traditional trigger and put the FET external of the AEG contact system.

Edited by Guges Mk3

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The ISSC aeg is a great starter.... CA latest model, pre-upgraded with 6.3 tight bore barrel, mosfet, and 9mm bushings in a QD gearbox.
Where as the G&G and JG model you would need to upgrade all the above to get to equal footing with the CA model.

for your brother... any AEG under $100 should be worthy.... or just get 3 tri-barrel shotguns... and find 2 more friends ;)

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The ISSC aeg is a great starter.... CA latest model, pre-upgraded with 6.3 tight bore barrel, mosfet, and 9mm bushings in a QD gearbox.

Where as the G&G and JG model you would need to upgrade all the above to get to equal footing with the CA model.

 

for your brother... any AEG under $100 should be worthy.... or just get 3 tri-barrel shotguns... and find 2 more friends ;)

 

I disagree.

 

CA ISSC is the latest in their attempt to sell old stock the Cybergun did not want any more. Their 6.03 barrels are cheap and badly cut. Not a good barrel. Mosfet is also cheap...you are forgetting the history of CA. Cheap, cheap cheap...make money and ignore end user complaints.

 

AS for equal footing...support parts does not make an AEG good. I would take a TM with their stock parts over a CA any day and their parts are not even in same category as CA, but they work far better.

 

Pre-upgraded is a false statement. By you using it shows that you truly do not understand the meaning.

 

Pre, means before.

 

Upgrade, means an improvement over another condition.

 

Put the two together and you get BEFORE an IMPROVEMENT over another condition.

 

This means it is "stock".

 

Don't let the marking guys fool you...learn their tricks.

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hey man I have to say the cm028 may be good for your brother. but make sure he knows that to keep his finger off the trigger, the gun on safe and pointed in the right direction before actually letting him shoot. it is right at $85. for your gun, for a starter gun in your price range, id suggest something like a lonex m4. the ares amoeba is by far the best m4 I have seen on the market. besides krytac. ares is an amazing company. id suggest that if you want a nice looking m4 to stand out.

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CA ISSC is the latest in their attempt to sell old stock the Cybergun did not want any more.

 

wtf?? how can a brand new model from a manufacturer, be old stock, from a re-labeler? lol just does not compute.

 

The CA ISSC has nothing to do with cybergun, other than receiving lawyer letters at IWA for random other trademark infringements... lol.

 

Their 6.03 barrels are cheap and badly cut.

 

 

Here is my iSSC 6.03 barrel. please explain where it is badly cut. ?

 

http://imgur.com/a/7lP4o

 

it seems you might forcing your old experience on this new model. ?

Do you realize the company is over 17 years old now, and can you name one company that has evolve and not upgraded its products throughout the years.

 

And yes Pre upgrade, means before upgrade, so you don't have to upgrade, because its already upgraded, so this is before you upgrade, is pre-upgraded stock.

If they can't use Pre-upgrade, what is the correct term?

I think everyone knows what it means.

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wtf?? how can a brand new model from a manufacturer, be old stock, from a re-labeler? lol just does not compute.

 

The CA ISSC has nothing to do with cybergun, other than receiving lawyer letters at IWA for random other trademark infringements... lol.

 

 

Here is my iSSC 6.03 barrel. please explain where it is badly cut. ?

 

http://imgur.com/a/7lP4o

 

it seems you might forcing your old experience on this new model. ?

Do you realize the company is over 17 years old now, and can you name one company that has evolve and not upgraded its products throughout the years.

 

And yes Pre upgrade, means before upgrade, so you don't have to upgrade, because its already upgraded, so this is before you upgrade, is pre-upgraded stock.

If they can't use Pre-upgrade, what is the correct term?

I think everyone knows what it means.

The CA ISSC

 

airsoft-ca-isscmk2-cqc-blk-d.jpg

 

Is a CA SCAR

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Sure they made a "few" cosmetic changes, but the AEG is not new. They EVEN use the same gas block! Minus front sight...

 

Swing your barrel around and post a picture of the cuts in the window.

 

I know people are proud of what they own, because it reflects on their choices and beliefs. But, I am an objective Airsofter and a successful company one day can fall flat another day. I will never defend a maker, they have to earn my praise each time (how do you think the US car companies survived the foreign invasion? And we tolerated the K-Cars).

 

Name a company? I can do better than one.

 

Tokyo Marui

KWA

Marushin

Maruzen

Tanaka

G&P

VFC

Krytac

 

Albeit none of them has the (~17 year) history of CA, but CA was not that good even when they started. CA MP5 for example. M15 was horrible, but the first people that bought them wanted a "metal" M4, they ignored the 12 degree front end wobble that was worse than a poly TM flex. And the stock material that was brittle...many stocks were held together with duct tape after people tried knocking out the battery tabs and ended up cracking their stock in half.

 

As for this:

 

"And yes Pre upgrade, means before upgrade, so you don't have to upgrade, because its already upgraded, so this is before you upgrade, is pre-upgraded stock.

If they can't use Pre-upgrade, what is the correct term?"

 

Not everyone does not knows what it means. Pre-Upgraded is a false term, just like LIPO ready.

 

Does any other industry use Pre-upgraded? Do you by a BMW pre-upgraded, a blender, a 747-400? No...only in Airsoft do you find the schlocky term of "Pre-Upgraded" when the item is "stock".

 

Why not just say what the item has.

The good companies do not use pre-upgraded - Krytac Example

 

"Internally, the Alpha CRB features a reinforced 8mm ball bearing gearbox with integrated MOSFET to regulate electronic signals and to protect the trigger contacts. The corners of the gearbox that surround the cylinder feature a smooth radius, as opposed to a 90° angle, to prevent fracture. Also, the gearbox shell features a small window on the left side where lubrication can be applied directly to the gears or piston, this window is also convenient for inspecting the angle of engagement with the gearbox fully assembled. Additional gearbox features include a modular spring guide system that will allow the spring to be changed without completely disassembling the gearbox. The KRYTAC piston is made of a durable, lightweight polymer and features 4 metal teeth, with the 2nd to last tooth absent. The Cylinder head is padded with an enlarged rubber bumper to optimize the angle of engagement and to absorb energy form the impact of the piston assembly. The material for the gears have been especially formulated to be very strong, Rockwell test figures on the KRYTAC gears are much higher than industry norms. Turning all of the drive train components is the KRYTAC high torque motor, capable of 30,000 revolutions per minute unloaded."

 

Unlike this "pre-upgraded" V2 mechbox shell.

 

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Can you spot the reinforcement/upgrade?

 

What is it upgraded from? A TM design (most likely)...

 

But, it's not truly upgraded. Nor is it truly reinforced. But, it is marketed as a "pre-upgraded reinforced shell". And people who don't know any better of which 80% of the Airsoft players do not know the difference.

 

TI - I am not targeting you. I am targeting the bad business practices of legacy Airsoft. If you chose to defend the old way, I would be happy to debate/discuss with you openly about it.

 

Edited by Guges Mk3

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I'm afraid to ask what gearbox shell is it. The only thing I notice that's improved over traditional gearbox shell is both front Cylinder window have radius corner. Other than that, I don't see reinforcement on Trigger post. (Tiny post behind the switch assembly.) The hole for ARL isn't reinforced. Maybe shell is thicker but I can't see from this angle.

 

I'm not going to comment on steel bushing vs. bearing because that depends on application. But I can comment that's not tool steel bushing either. :meh:

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I still don't know what term to use... as stock... doesn't really work for me ether.

Model A is "Stock" 6.08 barrel, 7mm bushings,
Model B is "Stock" 6.03 barrel, 9mm bearing bushings, silver coated wired mosfet and QD gearbox.

Just doesn't sound fair for something that obviously "seems" better.

 

ok.. you win... I will never use "pre-upgraded" again.

And I'm not defending there history, as nor would I be blaming modern nazi's for ww2.

But saying all there products from one company are shyt forever and ever is just saying the company has never evolved and improved there products, which is just untrue.

Being given a shyt meal / service in a restaurant, doesn't mean I will never return.

As I have worked in the food industry previously myself and well aware of simple changes have great effect. like salt! lol.
Maybe 2 shyt meals / service, and then I would give never returning great consideration.

But as always, everyone experiences and opinions are different, we can agree to disagree, so thank you for yours.

And for those with there popcorn... lets just leave the final wording to the expert...

 

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And I'm not defending there history, as nor would I be blaming modern nazi's for ww2.

 

 

on an unrelated note you could for ww3 as ww2 was caused by the nazi socialist party, kennedy's brother thought mussolini was a great dictator pre ww2 and we have a rise of socialism in the world right now. So if you could blame someone for ww3 it would be george soros. Hitler was a democrat, you don't find right wing socialists and the evidence is in plain sight. You should really watch that dinesh d'souza movie though lol. The cold war is back up already, as we're fighting a proxy war in syria with us supporting the baddies there while russia supports the good guys there for once. It's just like the wars we fought in reagan's times but in reverse, so ww3 isnt out of the picture.

holy :pain: I sound like a conspiracy theorist, but we're living in crazy times at the moment.

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