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It's design allows for modular changes, so why not AR.

yeah but every aeg in existence except a select few can have rails on them.

 

and every other aeg can allow for modular changes aswell.

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(IMO) Easiest to upgrade. Pop out a pin to change hop up and barrel, pop out 2 pins and unscrew a few screws and you're at the gearbox. Unscrew the motor base plate to change motor and pistol grip.

yeah but when its that easy, its very easy to also "break" it and have it very difficult to fix like what happened to my dad's m16. The front pin diddnt go in and I had to use legos to hold it together so I prefer a harder takedown like an ak74 takedown because their pretty foolproof. also barrel changes are very easy once you get into the gun. AK grips also are done exactly the same except its with one big screw and it has a big ol thing to put a + screwdriver in while the m4 needs smaller ones. Now I don't really think that is that much of a difference to matter, but I do think its in part why I like aks lol

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Cite something that is just as easily modded as an AR. And then show how many actual variations there are.

Well, with the ar variants like the m16 and m4, the variation isnt much(I.e. to turn an m4 into an m16 all you need to do is switch out the barrel with a longer one and change the forward grip and if your lucky you wont break the O-ring thing that keeps it in place.) The ak has shittons of variants that are completely different externally and some of them have real wood which you can stain and thats pretty cool. You can also switch out the wood pretty easily by taking out the cleaning rod and popping a couple switches and just popping them off while with the ars its generally very time consuming

 

But on being modded, I don't see how an ak can't be easily modded, the only problem with it is the takedown which is kinda hard but easy to get used to and it wont mess up your gun.

 

also if you want me to cite how many variants of the ak there are: here you go.

http://www.airsoftmegastore.com/11034-enl-airsoft-a110-c-pmc-c-ak47-ras-aeg-gun-rifle-el-a110-c.aspx

http://www.airsoftmegastore.com/11923-kwa-full-metal-akg-kcr-gas-blowback-gbb-airsoft-ak74-103-00713.aspx

http://www.airsoftmegastore.com/5757-kwa-akg-74m-ptr-airsoft-gas-blowback-rifle-black-kwa-103-00704.aspx

http://www.airsoftmegastore.com/11070-cyma-full-metal-aks-74un-pdw-ris-airsoft-aeg-cqb-rifle-cyma-am040h.aspx

http://www.airsoftmegastore.com/10417-jg-works-430-fps-metal-x47-akm-airsoft-aeg-assault-rifle-jg-1019a.aspx

http://www.airsoftmegastore.com/10139-440-fps-ak74-cm048-airsoft-aeg-rifle-real-wood-cyma-cm048-vpower.aspx

http://www.airsoftmegastore.com/10144-410-fps-ak74un-cm035-airsoft-aeg-rifle-faux-wood-cyma-cm035-vpower.aspx

http://www.airsoftmegastore.com/13701-cyma-cm039u-ak47-ras-tactical-airsoft-aeg-rifle-cyma-cm039u.aspx

http://www.airsoftmegastore.com/10257-ay-vss-vintorez-airsoft-aeg-rifle-wood-vtx-vaya-11.aspx

http://www.airsoftmegastore.com/10111-430-fps-ak105-ak74-airsoft-aeg-rifle-cyma-cm040d-vpower.aspx

http://www.airsoftmegastore.com/10434-golden-eagle-full-metal-tactical-ak-74-airsoft-aeg-rifle-ge-6830c.aspx

http://www.airsoftmegastore.com/10437-golden-eagle-metal-ak-74-aeg-airsoft-rifle-w-le-stock-tan-ge-6833c.aspx

http://www.airsoftmegastore.com/10107-ak104-x-gen-ak-74-airsoft-aeg-rifle-black-cyma-ak104x-blk.aspx

http://www.airsoftmegastore.com/11069-cyma-cm048su-akmsu-full-metal-aeg-airsoft-gun-w-real-wood-grip.aspx

http://www.airsoftmegastore.com/10142-400-fps-ak47-cm028a-airsoft-aeg-rifle-faux-wood-cyma-cm028-vpower.aspx

http://www.airsoftmegastore.com/1059-kalashnikov-licensed-full-metal-ak47-spetsnaz-assault-aeg-rifle.aspx

http://www.airsoftmegastore.com/15113-cyma-airsoft-ak47s-aeg-abs-plastic-edition-w-folding-stock-wood.aspx

http://www.airsoftmegastore.com/12723-cyma-airsoft-ak47-aeg-w-ris-and-metal-gearbox-ui-ak47m.aspx

http://www.airsoftmegastore.com/10109-rpk-x-gen-series-light-machine-gun-lmg-airsoft-aeg-cyma-rpkl-74.aspx

http://www.airsoftmegastore.com/13706-cyma-rpk-lmg-full-metal-airsoft-aeg-rifle-w-bipod-genuine-wood.aspx

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all of them have different external mods while with the ars all you have is keymods, differently painted guns, different handgrips, maybe a mag with a pattern on it, different stock and some rails so they all look exactly the same with slight variance.

You can do all of those things except keymods on aks because they don't run with that system usually.

Wanna paint your ak? get the polymer one and do whatever the hell you want. Yes, keep in mind you can :censored2: around endlessly with externals on those aks I linked.

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For ar variants you might run with a slightly longer one for dmr usage, nothin special about it. Maybe theres a stubby or two you might like, definitely doesnt handle as well as a 74u but hey.

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Maybe you wanna turn your thing into an an lmg, but rpks are one of the few aegs that you can have all stock and fit a 590mm barrel in it while being 7 pounds.

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Maybe you want to pstar it but those big ol self winding box mags cost too much, blow 40 bucks on the 1.1k cap self winding mag off amazon.

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Maybe you wanna dmr your gun, no problem, ak gearboxxes can handle that kinda shît normally without any mods.

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Maybe you wanna have a cqb gun, you could go with a stubby if you wanted to but everyones using em. Why not go with the super cheap äss krinkovs or the ltac 74u which is 3 pounds, fit a m90 spring in there and fùck with the barrel a bit, maybe fit a 9.6 or 9.9 or an 11.1 in there and its at like 25 rps.

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Maybe you want to pstar it, kinda hard but its a lot sturdier than an m4 pstar thats for sure.

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Maybe you wanna put shittons of rails all over it cause your an ar user in denial, gets some rail mods that you can attach to the barrel, get the polymer forward grip, replace the rear sight with a rail, get the 25$ rail mod for 47s off amazon to put on the dust cover thing, get some spetznaz stocks that have rails on em and maybe run with some of those m4 style ak grips.

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Maybe you want the oldschool 74 battle pickup look. Like you flew to syria, shot an isis guy and jacked his ak. No problemo, just stain your wood, don't add polish so it wears out and isnt shiny and its gritty feeling and sand the parts that stick out.(I hate shiny aks, their meant to be worn down and old, thats what their made for.)

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Maybe you have problems with the mag being too big and fitting too much ammo(exception with mid caps cause ak mid caps suck äss)... http://www.airsoftmegastore.com/2040-jg-ak47-240rd-high-capacity-airsoft-aeg-magazine.aspx hallelujah or however you spell it. Although m4 mags suck äss too cause they wobble too often, sure its fixxed easily but I still like knowing my mag is in my gun by hearing that crisp *click* I get when I snap it in. I also like how the mag release actually releases the mag too and the fire selector isnt confusing to a low iq person like me. You can even feel it better whenever you wanna check and it usually doesnt problems staying especially if you screw it in tightly. I like it having a high profile so it can be switched more easily imo but thats debatable.

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Maybe you want to have the lightest gun possible, well ars got you beat but not by much.(especially because their parts cost a lot more and they don't last as long as aks but don't tell them that hehe)

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Maybe you want that sleek look, you already have aks with RIS, superior spetznaz mags(not sure about the internals but sizewise their pretty nice). Stocks that can fold up better and a big ol grip, if your really a closet ar lover but wanna run with an ak just get http://www.airsoftmegastore.com/11071-cyma-full-metal-ak-74-ktr-ris-airsoft-rifle-aeg-black-cyma-am040k.aspx

Honestly the weight doesnt hurt much when carrying and does wonders for accuracy.

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Maybe you want that sweet contractor look, contractors used aks too, yes american ones, yes 47s. I don't know why, but they did. I don't like how they used the 47 because its garbage in combat(we can debate ballistics another time)

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Maybe you hate it because terrorists use it. Do you hate contractors aswell? Well, they used aks and they let us stay in the Iraq for as long as we did and let us "win" the war( :censored2: obama) politics aside, its not a gun only used by bad guys.

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Also, a FINAL Maybe: Maybe you just don't care and you never want to touch an ak ever, go with a g36, they have v3 internals and are the best of both worlds for people that don't like aks. Now I could make a point that they are used by libtard germans but thats a debate for another day.

I could cite a few more examples but this is bordering on spam. Try and refute me though.

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20 is not that many.

 

But, we all know there are far more:

 

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But the numbers is just tens of models.

 

AR's are in the hundreds...

 

E&L only officially makes 22 variants. Up from 18...

 

Even CYMA has 21 AR's on one section of wall.

 

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20 is not that many.

 

But, we all know there are far more:

 

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But the numbers is just tens of models.

 

AR's are in the hundreds...

 

E&L only officially makes 22 variants. Up from 18...

 

Even CYMA has 21 AR's on one section of wall.

 

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I saw all of the ars, they are NOT variants, just slightly customized. Saying there are m4 variants is like saying shît with extra corn in it is a variant of shît. How about somali pirate aks? Their a jumble of parts that never ceases to be beautiful while ars just have some generic tan on black rail mod or rail cover with a flashlight on it or some shît. It's not unique, its just minor difference so I wouldnt even count the IAR or m4 or anything with the same lower reciever as an ar "variant". You can name the model of an ak because of specific obvious details and you have to be a guru to name the model of an ar because its just such a diluted concept of a gun. It just doesnt physically change the way it looks, you can just keep hooking a bunch of shît up to it but its the same rifle no matter what. The ak changes quite alot model after model while retaining the same modularity as an ar. And you have the same lower reciever on an ar with the same grip with the same stock with the same trigger, with the same mag release thats inferior to most rifles might I add.

 

Literally all an ar emulates is whatever some kid in cs:go or cowadoodie did to it or video games and not how its normally seen irl. And an ak can emulate real military standard issue rifles, you don't see some :censored2: staining the wood on his ak purple or even sticking one of those things that make your gun louder on theirs. You don't see a US marine bragging about his brand new keymod and rail cover or how he painted his m4 crimson red, And the way you know you have a good gun is you don't know how to improve it, look at the old bolt action rifles, we're using the design to this day because it was made so well.

 

There is literally nothing you can do to an ak to make it look better as the originals looked the best. Rails are rather pointless and uncomfortable to hold for prolonged periods of time or look very good unless they're under a certain circumstance. It not even very useful for practical usage because no gun ever has the right amount of rail space, its either too much like an ar or too little like on a 74u. You can get these minimal rail mods for aks that are the perfect amount of rail space for anything and even though you got a wood ak, it costed so little in comparison to that ar that even while blowing 50 or 60 bucks on rail mods, it's still worth it.

 

but the real question is, what can an m4 do that an ak cant? and vice versa

I honestly cant think of a single thing an ak cant do that an m4 can. They have the same modularity and you can make em as ugly as you want with as many flash lights, peq boxes, pointless grips and stupid rail covers as you want. The rail space on an ak is the same as the rail space on an m4, sure there arent many variants to that one ak that has massive amounts of rail space but thats a good thing!

 

Also, I think that NiMHs are better than LiPos if anyone wants to debate me on that

a 9.6 has the same discharge rate as a 25c 2200 LiPo, if you place it in the stock of your gun, the balancing is a benefit because it results in a snappier aim because the weight is all in the stock, I'd reccomend a LiPo if you have one of those wierd guns thats front wired though and if you operate in cold weather but with a 9.6 or a 10.8 you don't have to worry about your battery getting ruined from an overcharge especially if you have one of those 3800 MaH 9.6s like I do and it usually wont die if u leave it on the shelf like you would a LiPo lol. Although a 9.6 is a little dangerous for your gun, most MOSFETS are rated for 9.6v aswell lol so if you have no mosfet I would run with an 8.4 if I were you lol

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im not that big of a fan of the m4/16 mainly due to there popularity, im a H&K G3 and AK person , cant really think of any reason to choose an M4 over any other model, I would say there are a lot of kits/parts out for the m4 where you could easily change the front end for CQB or DMR style but you can also do that with other models so idk,

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im not that big of a fan of the m4/16 mainly due to there popularity, im a H&K G3 and AK person , cant really think of any reason to choose an M4 over any other model, I would say there are a lot of kits/parts out for the m4 where you could easily change the front end for CQB or DMR style but you can also do that with other models so idk,

exactly

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Also, I think that NiMHs are better than LiPos if anyone wants to debate me on that

a 9.6 has the same discharge rate as a 25c 2200 LiPo, if you place it in the stock of your gun, the balancing is a benefit because it results in a snappier aim because the weight is all in the stock, I'd reccomend a LiPo if you have one of those wierd guns thats front wired though and if you operate in cold weather but with a 9.6 or a 10.8 you don't have to worry about your battery getting ruined from an overcharge especially if you have one of those 3800 MaH 9.6s like I do and it usually wont die if u leave it on the shelf like you would a LiPo lol. Although a 9.6 is a little dangerous for your gun, most MOSFETS are rated for 9.6v aswell lol so if you have no mosfet I would run with an 8.4 if I were you lol

 

I'll debate you on it and we should keep it public so we can use it as a learning experience for all.

 

First off your statements lacks details. Until you specify the NIMH in question that is equal to LIPO in discharge we cannot move forward. Are you going to use your dated 3800mah SubC? Or are you using the more common 2/3A's?

 

The characteristics of the SubC is nothing like a 2/3A. So your statement is already partly - False.

 

Set the parameters and let's compare physics versus misconceptions.

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yeah but when its that easy, its very easy to also "break" it and have it very difficult to fix like what happened to my dad's m16. The front pin diddnt go in and I had to use legos to hold it together so I prefer a harder takedown like an ak74 takedown because their pretty foolproof. also barrel changes are very easy once you get into the gun. AK grips also are done exactly the same except its with one big screw and it has a big ol thing to put a + screwdriver in while the m4 needs smaller ones. Now I don't really think that is that much of a difference to matter, I do think its in part why I like aks lol

 

I think sliding a receiver off to swap hopup and inner barrel is easier than taking off the entire front assembly of an AK. The easier to take apart the easier it is to break? Where is the logical explanation for that? The pin didn't go in? You either used the wrong pin or the wrong receiver. And yes some are unique and wont work with each other.

 

 

 

And for that big long list of AKs you mentioned... literally just a customized AK. Not really a varient... A contracter AK is an AK with rails and a different stock. Oooooo so unique.

 

You are just saying stuff with no explanation or reasoning behind your opinion. How are V3 P*s more reliable that a V2?

 

"and the fire selector isnt confusing to a low iq person like me" You must have a very small IQ if you don't know how to rotate a pin to "safe, semi. auto"

 

I can go on and on with this mess you typed up. Don't get me wrong I love AKs. I have 2 of them. But the whole F*cking purpose of an airsoft gun is to shoot a little white piece of plastic ball.

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I'll debate you on it and we should keep it public so we can use it as a learning experience for all.

 

First off your statements lacks details. Until you specify the NIMH in question that is equal to LIPO in discharge we cannot move forward. Are you going to use your dated 3800mah SubC? Or are you using the more common 2/3A's?

 

The characteristics of the SubC is nothing like a 2/3A. So your statement is already partly - False.

 

Set the parameters and let's compare physics versus misconceptions.

 

Well, im using the 2/3A NiMH and it gives me about 2 rps less than a 25c 7.4

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I think sliding a receiver off to swap hopup and inner barrel is easier than taking off the entire front assembly of an AK. The easier to take apart the easier it is to break? Where is the logical explanation for that? The pin didn't go in? You either used the wrong pin or the wrong receiver. And yes some are unique and wont work with each other.

 

 

 

And for that big long list of AKs you mentioned... literally just a customized AK. Not really a variant... A contractor AK is an AK with rails and a different stock. Oooooo so unique.

 

You are just saying stuff with no explanation or reasoning behind your opinion. How are V3 P*s more reliable that a V2?

 

"and the fire selector isnt confusing to a low iq person like me" You must have a very small IQ if you don't know how to rotate a pin to "safe, semi. auto"

 

I can go on and on with this mess you typed up. Don't get me wrong I love AKs. I have 2 of them. But the whole F*cking purpose of an airsoft gun is to shoot a little white piece of plastic ball.

 

Well, you can actually name them so yes, they are variants. And the pin isn't as reliable as the switch nor does it stay in the same place every time and it can be moved by foilage. So if your using a good quality ak, it's fire selector is easier to keep in place then that of an ar. And also, contractors use anything really, so thats simply not true. And it seems that you havent read what I said because I listed those ak variants, they actually have model numbers and they actually have names unlike the made up ar variants. And no, im not talking about the aks with extra rails, or atleast most of them as some are made up, but what im trying to say is that there are more real variants for the ak platform than there are in the ar platform which was the original point you were trying to argue. And if you really think that slightly customized means variant, then look up the definition.

 

Also, no need to be rude because you lost an argument, it already isnt helping that you keep saying the same thing after I refute you.

 

"I think sliding a receiver off to swap hopup and inner barrel is easier than taking off the entire front assembly of an AK. The easier to take apart the easier it is to break? Where is the logical explanation for that? The pin didn't go in? You either used the wrong pin or the wrong receiver. And yes some are unique and wont work with each other."

Well, because its easier to take down for you, its easier for it to be broken because it relies on two points of contact and if one of them shucks up, you have to do alot of work to fix that :pain:. While with the ak, you can replace a nut or a washer if they happen to break, which isnt going to happen any time soon. And also, the cyma model of ak, im not sure what takedown method name it has, but its actually pretty fast as all you need to do is remove the wood, pop a pin and unscrew 2 screws, thats actually more than the ar way only because you have to remove the wood and its actually alot more reliable simply because its not completely supported by the pin like the ar is. So yes, the takedown method is superior.

Also, sliding the receiver off is quite a pain, especially when you have to remove the magazine because of the hopup so now you gotta fùck with that shîtty mag release, and maybe you don't know how to take those things apart and you have to replace a spring because the entire fùcking thing is spring loaded and you may have pulled something too far thinking that it was the way to disassemble it.

 

And no, I have no spare ars, this is all stock and I own only 1 m16. Just so you know, I've :censored2: around with other peoples ars, ran with other peoples guns and my dads m16 so im not basing thiss off limited experience as everyone at my field runs with ars and its sad. The things I replaced were the stock hopup which broke on the first 3 days because of the fùcking plastic gears, The magazine had to have tape on it do keep it in the magwell. I also had to replace the charging handle and the barrel(which I do with all my guns so it doesnt count), which is another reason why I only run aks, because their stock parts are usually better than even aftermarket ar style parts unless you want to blow 250$ on some :pain:, then its probably better than the ak stock stuff.

Also, there are fairly few ak pstars or pstar kits and because of that, it seems that of the few of them that exist, alot more seem to be sturdier because of the ak internals. Now im not sure about this one as ive never seen their internals but I do see that 90% of pstars at my field have serious problems. I do see that there are fairly few gas powered aks aswell

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also, LiPos require you do keep them charged and not let them fully lose charge or over charge them or keep them in a hot place so a 9.6 with greased up contact on a gun is simply better than a 7.4 as they do the same thing. I also agree on the weight thing as I did some tests and because of the balancing from the weight in my stock my aim is a lot snappier. I think it has to do with the pivoting but yeah. Also outdated doesn't mean a lot. You tell me why we still use 1911s if their literally 106 years old or why the ak's only parts changed were it's bore to fit the 5.45(which isn't even that much better than 7.62x39 ballistically) and you tell me why every gun comes with NiMhs if LiPos are cheaper. Outdated means nothing except old. Obviously all you need to run a high capacity 9.6 is a mosfet and/or a fuse which you should already have, this should force you to use one which is still a plus. I honestly just wanna run a 1100 MaH 8.4 and just be done with it as rof doesn't matter to me.

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a 9.6 will mess with your contacts sure(only if your silly enough to not grease them), but weight in the stock does lead to a snappier aim as I've done a few tests with LiPo vs NiMh and that extra 8-16 ounces does wonders for balance. And the thing is, NiMhs last longer simply because their more user friendly than LiPos, sure you can get those things to last longer but I don't want to make sure every day my 7.4 has enough charge or watch it when I charge it to make sure I don't overcharge it and have it explode(sorry but LiPos explode if your overcharging them or undercharging them and if your LiPo has enough MaH and your charger isn't good enough for them(you need like a 40$ charger if you ever wanna charge LiPos safely) they will explode. my 11.1 actually turned into a live grenade when I forgot to check it for 15 mins.

It's really just risk management and the fact is NiMhs are a lot less risky than LiPos, because if your lipo doesn't explode its still dead, with NiMhs, especially if you want a high capacity one to emulate a 7.4 that thing is NOT going to die any time soon simply because it's too big to lose a lot of charge and sure its super big and you cant fit it in a lot of things but theres this thing called tape and you can make quite a pretty looking gun by strapping a big ol 9.6 to your 74u especially one with a rail mod on its barrel to stick stuff on.(stick it in your big polymer stock and if it doesn't fit in anything else, then superglue some old straps to it so it doesn't fall.

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also, LiPos require you do keep them charged and not let them fully lose charge or over charge them or keep them in a hot place so a 9.6 with greased up contact on a gun is simply better than a 7.4 as they do the same thing. I also agree on the weight thing as I did some tests and because of the balancing from the weight in my stock my aim is a lot snappier. I think it has to do with the pivoting but yeah. Also outdated doesn't mean a lot. You tell me why we still use 1911s if their literally 106 years old or why the ak's only parts changed were it's bore to fit the 5.45(which isn't even that much better than 7.62x39 ballistically) and you tell me why every gun comes with NiMhs if LiPos are cheaper. Outdated means nothing except old. Obviously all you need to run a high capacity 9.6 is a mosfet and/or a fuse which you should already have, this should force you to use one which is still a plus. I honestly just wanna run a 1100 MaH 8.4 and just be done with it as rof doesn't matter to me.

 

Your cell phone has a lithium polymer battery in it. (LiPo) If it is at 78%, an you leave it for a month, it will be at 78% when you come back. LiPo batteries do not need to be charged all the time.

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yeah, but you seem to miss my point completely every time I state it. lipos do not have a very long lifespan. Not battery life. No no no, lifespan as in my NiMH will for example last 1 year while your LiPo lasts 6 months simply because you looked away for 15 seconds while charging it ONCE. Now im going to start copy pasting if you keep on forgetting how to read. And for the final time, I don't care about how fast you can break your gun with your silly little 20-30c LiPo, im interested in the battery that does not require a 40 dollar charger and one that can be stored on the shelf simply because when it still does lose charge and its not going to become damaged and will lose charge faster. I am interested in the battery that makes your gun function as its supposed to, doesn't need to be replaced frequently and yes NiMHs can withstand cold, not fantastically but its not as bad as you think.

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Now your saying NIMH have a Longer Cycle Rate than LIPO. You are only partially correct here. While most LIPO have a Cycle life of 2-300 times. Well short of good NIMH with a cycle rate of 400-600 times. You can kill a NIMH very easily with HEAT. Heat...from improperly charging a pack.

 

Let me cite you a source, here is a guy that Smoke his NIMH on ONE charge.

 

https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6014

 

You can also kill a NIMH by not doing maintenence charges on them. Every quarter you need to drain and top off a pack. If you don't...the pack can die.

 

And I would HOPE you would want a 40.00 charger, because your 15.00 charger is going to kill your NIMH faster than a 40.00 charger. Read section on "Dumb" Charger.

 

http://michaelbluejay.com/batteries/charging-tips.html

 

Here is a good read on LIPO, but it is a bit dated. It was written around Gen 2 LIPO batteries. Now they are up to Gen 8 at last count:

 

https://infectedairsoft.wordpress.com/tech-info/lithium-polymer-batteries-part-1/

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your sources supported my conclusion, you even admitted that NIMHs last longer and you essentially agreed with me on almost everything else. So don't come back and act like you won because any dummy could just scroll up and figure it out.

 

I get your emotional about being wrong, but it happens to the best of us my dude. Breaking the wall of bias is tough on the mind bu you have to remember, emotion is nothing without logic, I.e. drive is nothing without direction.

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I've never had a ni-mh battery pack last more than one season, while my oldest li-po batteries are at least 4 years old and are still going strong and they have been used at least as much as my ni-mh batteries were. I also charged my ni-mh batteries with a proper smart charger at less than 1C charge current and still they had a significant drop in performance after just one season. I tried several different brands, Intellect was among them, and they all acted the same really.

 

You do not have to "babysit" li-po batteries, charge it to optimal storage voltage and it can sit on the shelf for years and barely lose any voltage, unless it's a very low quality li-po battery. Ni-mh batteries may support more charge cycles, but at the same time they don't cope well in high drain applications, like an AEG. Li-po batteries are more volatile than ni-mh batteries, that is a fact, and they are a bit more delicate, but they are nowhere near as volatile and delicate as many think.

 

You do not need a $40 charger for a li-po battery, my first li-po charger was a $20 Firefox charger and it got the job done very well.

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my oldest NiMH is about 3-4 years old, its a stick type 8.4 I got for a cyma 74u, 1100 MaH and it was from all stock. im actually using it in my dads m16, funny thing those big ol polymer non adjustable stocks work wonders with ak stick types. So if you wanna cite personal experience, we can do that even though you are not a sample size of 1000 people, I doubt you were using the scientific method and I highly doubt that you can even prove that it died at that exact time, now we could factor in occam's razor but occam's razor is flawed as its legitimately a bias based way of determining something that has no evidence. You can have a factual bias though and that helps but no bias+facts is better than bias+facts.

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my oldest NiMH is about 3-4 years old, its a stick type 8.4 I got for a cyma 74u, 1100 MaH and it was from all stock. im actually using it in my dads m16, funny thing those big ol polymer non adjustable stocks work wonders with ak stick types.

Welp, that battery would literally fry in my DSG AK, while my Gens Ace li-po's remain bone cold after dumping a midcap. This is why we like li-po's, because we like high performance.

 

Ni-mh batteries work well in stock AEG's, but if you want proper trigger response or a high ROF/high FPS AEG, li-po batteries is simply the logical choice.

 

 

You can't point out the facts of "reality" to him Lefse...he just doesn't get it.

 

He is an old rare case of what he uses is "Bestests". There is no teaching him about "modern" non-low end airsoft.

 

I know, but it's fun trying to hammer new knowledge into the skulls of people like that.

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Guges is pretty damn thick and its pretty funny imo. I love how he still keeps asserting that im wrong yet I refuted almost all(if not all) of what he said and he still continues to be a snobbish and condescending prick. It's almost like he hasn't been selling airsoft guns since 1984 and he lied about having experience in the subject. I really wonder when you'll move to the objective side of things and actually realize the merits of what I said instead of committing ad hominem, of course I wouldn't care if you did continue to insult me because I'd just laugh it off and reply back with something more sour until we both get banned. Now do you want to be childish or do you want to be productive?

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I think that nobody here can handle being disagreed with, and the fact is if I even so manage as to argue my point and argue it well, the more im despised. it seems as if the airsoft community is a circlejerk of bad ideas and misinformation with very few people actually knowing what they are doing.

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I can't see where I lied in my post, and I'm not sexually satisfied by typing words, my primary intention is to help people gain correct knowledge. Within the airsoft community I can see that there is quite a bit of misinformation and misunderstanding regarding batteries and electrical systems, so I try to help people understand how it actually works. I guess I have to give up in this case, I have no interest in feeding trolls...

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Guges is pretty damn thick and its pretty funny imo. I love how he still keeps asserting that im wrong yet I refuted almost all(if not all) of what he said and he still continues to be a snobbish and condescending prick. It's almost like he hasn't been selling airsoft guns since 1984 and he lied about having experience in the subject. I really wonder when you'll move to the objective side of things and actually realize the merits of what I said instead of committing ad hominem, of course I wouldn't care if you did continue to insult me because I'd just laugh it off and reply back with something more sour until we both get banned. Now do you want to be childish or do you want to be productive?

 

 

I think that nobody here can handle being disagreed with, and the fact is if I even so manage as to argue my point and argue it well, the more im despised. it seems as if the airsoft community is a circlejerk of bad ideas and misinformation with very few people actually knowing what they are doing.

 

 

Guges also lies

 

 

Guges is pretty damn thick and its pretty funny imo. I love how he still keeps asserting that im wrong yet I refuted almost all(if not all) of what he said and he still continues to be a snobbish and condescending prick. It's almost like he hasn't been selling airsoft guns since 1984 and he lied about having experience in the subject. I really wonder when you'll move to the objective side of things and actually realize the merits of what I said instead of committing ad hominem, of course I wouldn't care if you did continue to insult me because I'd just laugh it off and reply back with something more sour until we both get banned. Now do you want to be childish or do you want to be productive?

 

 

You guys really do not know what you type about.

 

I have challenged you to find something on the internet that refutes my points and supports your points.

 

Yet you come up with nothing and resort to spinning your tales saying you know what is what...and how us established board members is full of poo.

 

Until you put up the data....you shouldn't pass false data...you should stop thinking you know your stuff.

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Wow, congratulations jimbiblo, you are the first person I have had to give a warning to in like 3 years. If you don't have anything nice to say, and are going to hurl insults, swears, and generally be unpleasant, don't post.

 

Lets keep this thread on topic and avoid being snippy.

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well, do you think im right or do you think I am wrong. because its not very clear as to what you disagree with me on as when you cite your sources they support my conclusion. I don't think you can handle bring wrong on a forum and that's why your getting salty with me.

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I want you to make up your mind and actually prove a single point. Here is an example of you proving me right for everyone to see:

 

I said "NiMhs have a longer life than LiPos"

 

In the first instance of you citing a source you said "While most LIPO have Cycle life of 2-300 times. Well short of good NIMH with a cycle rate of 400-600 times. You can kill a NIMH very easily with HEAT. Heat...from improperly charging a pack."

 

So what is this? a cycle life of 200-300 charges(unless you would mean a pack could die in 2 charges which is pretty funny but im sure its not that ridiculous) while a NiMH can last 400-600 rates(or do you mean charges), this is what I mean about proving my point. and on that part about killing them with heat, I already said that you could kill a LiPo with heat just as easily, not to mention that it could be a catastrophic failure depending on its capacity if improperly charged and even then, if you kept it on there for 15 seconds too long it would stop being able to hold a charge after puffing up just a little bit. While with a NiMh you could just stick it in your freezer to cool it off if it gets too hot.

 

Also, on another point, I keep hearing about NiMHs losing charge fast in the cold but my sources keep telling me that they lose charge in higher temperatures, so you tell me. because theres so many sources saying that throwing your NiMH in a freezer will make it retain 90% of its charge after a month. So after after drinking the cool-aid for tbbs increasing muzzle velocity by tens of fps instead of 1s, some other bullshît about volume to barrel ratio like how 590s were better than 500s and some other stuff because the average human is very gullible. Why would I then want to believe that NiMHs are shît in cold weather as most of these weird airsoft tips are wrong?

 

know what, im gonna do an experiment to see which one retains more charge, its gonna take a bit but I do have 2 identical batteries somewhere

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