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Why get a bolt action?

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So I'm PRETTY sure this is where I"m supposed to post this kind of question, but if I'm wrong I apologize. basically after getting my Echo1 ASR I've been feeling slight twinges of buyers remorse. not because I don't like my gun, in fact I LOVE it, it's that as I delve deeper into the world of airsoft I've stumbled across HPA guns. my question is simply this, why would you ever get anything OTHER than these guns? they seem (granted from a newbies perspective) overpowered almost. Why would anyone wanting to be a sniper ever get a bolt action when the same range and accuracy can be acquired from an auto/semi rifle? just feeling a little bit like I made the wrong investment, and that this game's a "pay to win" sorta deal.

*DISCLAIMER
this is my opinion and perspective as an entirely new player with an equally limited range of experience. if I'm wrong on these things PLEASE feel free to correct me. I would love for some clarification, just please be gentle with the corrections :P

 

TLDR
-why get a bolt action when HPA out ranges and out shoots them??

-is this a pay to win scenario?

-am I even in the right section for these questions?

-clarification on sanctioned rules or other things (pros/cons, stats, hard facts instead of "the feel of the gun") to justify bolt action over HPA

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1. In most cases, cheaper. ~$500 for just the whole HPA set up (SMP), plus upgrades and the base gun will be another 300 if you go cheap. Springs can be quieter too.

2. Yup. To have a fairly decent sniper that shoots hard and far, while being accurate costs money. A good amount too. This is why we tell people not to buy a sniper as a first airsoft gun. It takes some money for that sniper to be a good sniper.

3. There is a sniper rifle section about a 1/3rd the way down the page, but I don't you will get in trouble

4. There is nothing more satisfying that cocking that bolt to load a single BB and getting 1 shot and taking somebody down with just 1 shot. It can be the same also if you HPA a bolt action. It just isn't as satisfying (IMO) hitting somebody with 10 shots from a long distance as compared to 1.

 

If you put enough time and upgrades into your spring sniper, it can out shoot any HPA gun it goes against.

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1. In most cases, cheaper. ~$500 for just the whole HPA set up (SMP), plus upgrades and the base gun will be another 300 if you go cheap. Springs can be quieter too.

2. Yup. To have a fairly decent sniper that shoots hard and far, while being accurate costs money. A good amount too. This is why we tell people not to buy a sniper as a first airsoft gun. It takes some money for that sniper to be a good sniper.

3. There is a sniper rifle section about a 1/3rd the way down the page, but I don't you will get in trouble

4. There is nothing more satisfying that cocking that bolt to load a single BB and getting 1 shot and taking somebody down with just 1 shot. It can be the same also if you HPA a bolt action. It just isn't as satisfying (IMO) hitting somebody with 10 shots from a long distance as compared to 1.

 

If you put enough time and upgrades into your spring sniper, it can out shoot any HPA gun it goes against.

1) so you're saying it IS pay to win?

2) money isn't an issue, per se, I"m wondering why invest the money into a sniper rifle over an HPA OTHER than feel

3) I know everyone says avoid jumping into the sniper role, but I'm already used to the role, it's getting a gun that fits the role that's key

4)like I said, I love the feel, but I'm asking for objective facts over subjectivity. I already love the gun, there's no remorse there. I"m asking retroactively, if everyone had the funds, why would anyone buy anything else? (I'm kinda fishing for reasons to buy a bolt action that are hard fact instead of feel. I.e. from the digging I've done since I first posted this I've found that sanctioned ruled allow for bolt action to exceed the HPA in fps, so theoretically outranged in non private games?)

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If your happy with the gun...that is all that matters WHO CARES what other people think.

 

You play, your happy all is good.

I am definitely happy :) I don't care what others think I'm more interested in the hard pros and cons. is there no viable reason to get a bolt action other than the feel? (I"m repeating myself from the above reply, but yeah, not sure if I"m finding misinformation but I'm currently under the impression that HPA is handicapped and limited to give the range and accuracy advantage to bolt action. please correct me if I'm wrong on that)

 

and thank you guys for replying so quickly! you're awesome :D

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It can be. If you can be an amazing sniper with a stock sniper that isn't upgraded at all, then it doesn't have to be a pay to win. You can learn to use a stock sniper.

 

Pros-

More upgrade parts

Quieter

Don't need to buy air tank or batteries or gas.

One shot, one kill (I know you said pros but I think that is a pro :) )

 

Cons-

Have to rack the bolt after each shot

Only about 10-20 BBs in the magazine (depends)

Can't be an HPA master race (:P)

 

That's all I can really think of. I'm sure there are more.

 

P.S. I wasn't saying you're a new player that chose a sniper as a first gun. I was just saying why first timers shouldn't get a sniper as a first gun :)

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It can be. If you can be an amazing sniper with a stock sniper that isn't upgraded at all, then it doesn't have to be a pay to win. You can learn to use a stock sniper.

 

Pros-

More upgrade parts

Quieter

Don't need to buy air tank or batteries or gas.

One shot, one kill (I know you said pros but I think that is a pro :) )

 

Cons-

Have to rack the bolt after each shot

Only about 10-20 BBs in the magazine (depends)

Can't be an HPA master race (:P)

 

That's all I can really think of. I'm sure there are more.

 

P.S. I wasn't saying you're a new player that chose a sniper as a first gun. I was just saying why first timers shouldn't get a sniper as a first gun :)

This is exactly what I was like looking for. Thank you! :) I guess with this new information I have only one more question. Should I invest in fully upgrading this gun? Look for a better platform to fully invest in? Or practice with this gun and instead invest towards the HPA platforms? With budget being of no concern I'm definitely looking for that one shot one kill feel, but that desire is overshadowed by the desire to outrange and out accuracy everyone on the field while staying legal. (Not really familiar yet with different games and events, so don't know where I'd be playing and what the limits would be)

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NOTE: after much more extensive research I've finally found other people getting this question answered in more ways, and just wanted to add to the pro/cons and differences. So far it seems agreed upon that spring has a payoff of more consistency, accuracy, and reliability over all (less parts to worry about breaking) even though a bolt hpa or semi hpa DMR can actually out range it. Another pro of spring is most fields seem to allow for a higher muzzle velocity on spring than that of hpa guns, so unless the limits on the field or event are different spring actually is the way to go for range as well as accuracy. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

But at this point I guess the original replies were "right", they just need context of research and experience behind them explained for new people. I.e. The differences in performance as far as accuracy va range, and the fact that after all upgrades those differences are more based on feel, budget, weight, reliability, roleplaying, and only then small differences in accuracy and range

 

Feel: get what you want

Budget: both expensive, but spring cheaper in the long run.

Weight: spring lighter by a few pounds

Reliability: spring with less parts to break

Roleplaying: them feels man

Range:HPA

accuracy:spring

Ease of use: HPA isn't racking super springs manually

Noise: spring is quieter

 

Did I miss anything? Please add or refine this list as you see fit so another starter sniper can stumble upon it and get the same info.

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