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cyma aep vs gas gun of any type

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OK so im debating on gas vs electric. So far heres what I come up with

 

AEP pros:

the fps made for the range your shooting at, why would you need to get a gas pistol if you can just bang bang people at 10 ft and youll probably alert everyone in the enemy team if your that close because nobody uses a gas rifle. They'll think either your the enemy or the enemy is close up so it'll get their attention either way. The aep sounds like a weaker aeg so they'll think its a team mate shooting at the enemy while they're getting shot in the back.

 

 

With the aep you no longer need to bang bang so you can shoot people at 40 ft or closer if your aeg is running too hot or its out. Gas pistols can sure reach out to 200 ft or higher but the problem with that is the platform itself is not made for aiming at those distances so even if you could reach out there accurately I doubt you can hold your gun steady enough to fire repeatedly unless your super good. That and you can fire a lot more accurately on full with an aep than you can with a gas gun(if their moving your not even gonna hit them with an aeg unless your good either way lol)

 

Full auto, sure your gas pistol can run on full auto or something but doesn't it require modification or you have to buy something that has that capability? Even then wouldn't a cqb gun still be better than that? And even then, there are some aeps that run 15 rps out of the box with the stock battery and everything like the cm.122 and fps doesn't matter much when your shooting in cqb.

 

loudness, I don't have to really elaborate. You need a suppressor and an nbb for a quiet gas gun and aeps are normally a lot quieter so you can be pretty sneaky with them. Now sure you can use heavy bbs to quiet your gun but then you run into the problem you have with aeps and that's fps which is hindered by heavy bbs AND supressors so my shots will be getting on target as fast or faster than yours. And I don't need to carry around a bulky suppressor on my gun so I don't need a funky holster and its easier to draw aswell. Plus you run into the problem of joule creep with it as gas pistols have a serious issue with them heavy bbs and makin kids bleed.

 

reliability, this is a given, as far as I know WE tech is a shîtty brand from what ive heard and so are a lot of other brands that make gas guns(sure there are reliable gas pistols but not a lot of them) and blowbacks are notoriously unreliable.

 

Gas, I don't want to buy gas, lemme plug my thing into the wall and/or bring extra batteries and that would be that. I don't have to worry about nozzles or have my gun smell like áss every time I shoot or have a chance to give me frost bite if I do anything stupid. I also don't have to worry about having to empty the rest of my gas (unless im dumb enough to use a NiCD) as it uses a NIMH so you can keep that shît stored for a bit. (your gun is gonna smell like butts because propane is better than green gas cause green gas is a scam lololol)

 

accuracy, I'd go Tokyo Marui if I wanted that, but this is a cqb/backup gun and it already hits 150 feet all stock. and yes I know that in some aeps(either all or some, im not sure) hopup doesn't work in full auto so I'd use semi at long ranges if I really really had to do that it'd be because my cyma high cap failed me as I run my ak with a single high cap. And I know that that's not gonna happen any time soon so yeah.

 

Their cheaper in price unless you want an nbb which is vastly cheaper(I also saw some super low fps nbbs on amazon and I thought they were really cool, theres a 25$ walter ppq that comes with a suppressor :D)

 

Now if I somehow came across a good cqb field in florida(I don't live by tampa so no I cant go to that cool exclusive field that im not sure of having even a single cqb area in their entire field. Sure gas might be good in that respect because fps with .20s is a cool thing to have. But then you run into the problem of when you make super sneaky attacks everyone is alerted to the gas pistol while with the aep its pure confusion for many reasons.

1. it sounds like an aeg while its a pistol so even with people looking at you it WILL take them a second.

2. its quieter (unless you again, want to run with an nbb with a suppressor which is fine, but I'd rather not have a low gas efficiency and a bulky gun for something that I have to do massive amounts of research on how to get to work because apparently foam isn't enough to suppress a gun like that and I know as I tried making supressors for my guns.)

3. full auto capability out of the box so no trying to wipe 5 man groups and dying instantly because some schmuck decided to turn around after hearing you shoot your super loud(or bulky and kind of quiet) and slow firing semi only shiny metal 1911. So they have no time at all to react, sure im very fast with a pistol but just hearing a gas gun puts everyone on edge, your team or theirs and I'd rather solid snake my way out of situations instead of shock and awe which doesn't work whatsoever on someone whos either been shot already and knows it doesn't hurt at all, a fearless 30rps pstar using speedsofting 12/yo or just some war vet dad(we have a lot of those at my field and nothing scares them.)

4. their generally lighter so your reaction time should be very good and carrying one shouldn't be a problem, so switching targets is super easy, especially when ambushing a group of aeg users while using corners and/or cover to your advantage(it helps being compact aswell so a suppressor doesn't do you any good in that situation)

5. fully functioning magazines that don't drop out if you just TOUCH the mag release(I know its not a huge problem with gbbs but it doesn't happen with aeps as far as I know) And generally more reliable 30 rnd mags(you can use 100 rounders if you want to cqb with it and your a bad shot.)

 

 

 

Pros of gas:

 

It can be hpa'd I guess but I don't wanna carry around a tank almost as heavy as my main gun for a sidearm and heavier than the pistol itself that I probably wont use just because of that.

 

easier to find and good nbbs are cheaper than most aeps(KJW MK1 im lookin straight at ya baby)

 

people can do ez tech work on em I think.

 

functioning sights(I could file down the cm.122 sights if I wanted to fix them though, as its abs)

 

blowback is cool I guess but that comes at the price of gas usage for fps and generally less reliability

 

So, distribution aside, could I make a case as for AEPs being better or are there hidden reasons I never heard of for why gas is superior.

 

Now there are some weird things, as aeps function well in cold weather, but its only with LiPos as I've heard because nimhs lose charge in the cold too and I don't wanna hurt my gun with a super powerful LiPo. Gas apparently compresses in cold weather leading to lower fps. So with an aep you can atleast solve the problem I guess. Now because of the scaling with MaHs and discharge rate I think I could get the same power as a NIMH 7.2 as I could with a 7.4 LiPo if I had a lower discharge rate with a low to medium capacity if that makes sense.

 

 

So guges or airborne, please prove me wrong because I don't wanna blow 80 bucks on something that isn't very good.

Edited by jroble95

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the cyma aeps all use the same mag type and its quite plentiful. Now sure the gas mags are actually a lot more common, not all are compatable and they have a lot of feeding issues as far as I know. And also, I don't think I need more than 2 mags as its just a cqb sidearm that im going to use for super close quarters.

You haven't really convinced me to get a gas gun and the mk1 isn't really in stock often.

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If it suits your needs...then that is all you.

 

I have no feeding issues with my mags...unless I use coarse BIO BB kings.

 

I played here:

 

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Room to room fighting with 7 Hicaps in My Glock...AEP's did not do so well here. But, I used my pistol as a primary.

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Slow trigger response...hard to get a snap shot on a guy diving from door to door.

 

Range was not very good due to low FPS and bad hop-up packing options (non-existant for AEP's really).

 

The kids that did have them were getting picked off in hall fights.

 

Battery just did not have the legs to shoot the whole day. No power source.

 

And it was really obvious when a battery was reaching 40% remaining power...the AEP's fired really slowly...about 2 shots per second...

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well, with the gas guns instead of a slow response you'd get a hard trigger pull and it seems like they were using walmart aeps and not some genuine 50-150$ ones. Bring another battery and why would there be a difference between a 200ft range and a 150 ft range in cqb?

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also im curious as to why you didn't reply to jimbibblo's m4 vs ak thing. It seems that if you were right you would be able to debunk him pretty easily since its just straightforward facts vs facts. I don't know why you didn't do that yet, I just saw someone say what he wrote was a mess and just leave and its just plain dead lol.

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well, with the gas guns instead of a slow response you'd get a hard trigger pull and it seems like they were using walmart aeps and not some genuine 50-150$ ones. Bring another battery and why would there be a difference between a 200ft range and a 150 ft range in cqb?

Cheap CO2 (50.00 or less) ones that have a strike hammer is a whole different pistol and those things have a very heavy trigger pull.

 

Most Gas Pistols have a a 2-3# (pound symbol) trigger pull. That is not hard at all. Most gas 1911 is 2# at 1/8 inch...Glock 2# 1/3" and others are all in the same range.

 

The few kids on my squad were using CYMA AEP CM030 TM Glock Replicas...I was there...I had to fix one of them. Walmart does not sell Glock AEP's. Some of them had spare batteries, but swapping them in a firefight was not easily done. Heck...anytime someone's battery ran low (AEP or AEG)...they were rushed by vets and surrendered.

 

If you ever play in a CQB environement you too will learn that 150' hall shooting is more like whack a mole. You don't have the situation of people "coming into range...everything you see "Is" in range. Plus...those AEPs at 200fps with .20 had an effective range of 20-25 yards before bbs would drop and you can't lob them in easily through doorways and past hanging light fixtures. Or from one window through another window on to a higher floor. I shot 4 guys from a dark stairwell through railings up two flights of stair with my gas pistol. There is no way an AEP could have done that.

 

AEP's a slow and very short range airsoft weapon.

 

 

 

also im curious as to why you didn't reply to jimbibblo's m4 vs ak thing. It seems that if you were right you would be able to debunk him pretty easily since its just straightforward facts vs facts. I don't know why you didn't do that yet, I just saw someone say what he wrote was a mess and just leave and its just plain dead lol.

 

I don't always see new threads...post a link and I'll look it over.

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CO2 guns are insanely unreliable(from your own words too)

AEPs must have hair triggers then so that's nice

the cm030 is rather outdated(irrelevant I know), and like I said bringing another battery is something most people should do. And an aep could have done that shooting through two flights of stairs easy simply because they have the rate of fire for it that gbbs usually do not(unless you just like blowing money on gas) And even then fps doesn't matter much at super close ranges as its mostly tactic based.

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Insanely unreliable is your words. Not mine.

 

I am saying CO2 are either:

 

A: Not good due to low quality materials.

B: Bad due to excessive pressures.

 

Of which neither are good for "durability".

 

Hair trigger is a "new" way of calling an AEP...Sure you can start the "process" of firing, but a Gas Pistol will cycle far faster than an AEP for shot count.

 

You really need to go out and play more. An AEP will NEVER fire as fast as a Gas pistol, ever. Not fps, not ROF...never.

 

Your AEP on a LIPO - 1:10, 30 Shots:

 




A TM G18C 23 Shots - 7:58

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pI-oMtBq75o

 

Sure operational costs of an GBB is higher...but you get so much more performance over an AEP. Not to mention...I shoot .28g in my GBB....which drives up the cost even more. Load .28g in your AEP and see how far it shoots.

Edited by Guges Mk3

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Well, I could just install a 6.01 in an aep. And I don't play cqb, its more like close up field play. That and like I said im not a fan of paying for gas. And unless you mean cycling faster by running at 20 rps then you must be mr moneybags cause there goes a lot of the gas in that mag obviously lowering your fps and stuff. A cm.122 runs at 15 rps all stock with a 7.2v battery, if you want something more high end you'd get an ASG scorp, im not sure about the fire rate but it runs at about 280 fps with a .2 so its not a noticeable difference there between a 330 fps gun and a 280 fps one. And by cycling faster you mean ever so slightly faster, by a hundredth of a second right?

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What...being employed? Nothing wrong with being employed...I'm no welfare deviant thinking others have to give me things, because I cannot work and pay for my own items. It's called "being responsible".

Edited by Guges Mk3

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