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🔥Krytac AEG Kriss Vector🔥: Can we add a recoil system? 🤯

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Yo guys! 🤘
 

SO - from everything I’ve seen of the Krytac Vector, I’m sold and plan to purchase one soon. I do, however, own a KWA TK .45 which comes with a recoil system, and I gotta say, guys — I’m hooked on this recoil thing. I’d love to see if that can be “teched” into a Vector. 
 

Thoughts?? 👍🧐👎

 

There don’t seem to be many options or sources out there about upgrading your AEG with recoil. I’ve seen Tokyo Marui has a kit and there’s one or two others around I think, but I’m a true layman with this stuff right now. 
 

But I’m sooo ready‼️

 

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4 hours ago, Guges Mk3 said:

Why?

Adds complexity, makes failure more often that can take down the whole AEG that is not actually related to the "operation" of the AEG.

For the same reason people invented simulated recoil in the first place — Added immersion!

Guges Mk3, you’re question makes total sense from a functionalist perspective, but I’d love to see more immersive aspects brought to the Vector, that’s all. 💯

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6 hours ago, Guges Mk3 said:

Then get a Gas Model and use the Recoil Kit for "total immersion".

You can't get a sewing machine to act like a real gun.

Ha, thanks for your input, Guges Mk3. 

Gas models come with their own limitations/flaws, however, which I’d like to avoid. 

A recoil kit for a Vector is potentially a huge challenge to accomplish, but it’s seriously FAR from impossible!

As a fellow red-blooded American, I’m sure you appreciate my optimism 💡✈️🚀💻🔭🇺🇸

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There's optimism and then there is realism...I know what the insides of a KRISS AEG looks like and I know the material it's made of for cost reasons.

A recoil kit in that thing is well....going to be very difficult to to "simulate" a recoil on a low bore axis gun and not have it cause premature stress factors.  You could easily mount a sound activated solenoid on your shoulder and tap you each time it hears a pop than trying to integrate something into a KRISS Vector
 


 

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On 4/17/2020 at 1:05 PM, Guges Mk3 said:

There's optimism and then there is realism...I know what the insides of a KRISS AEG looks like and I know the material it's made of for cost reasons.

A recoil kit in that thing is well....going to be very difficult to to "simulate" a recoil on a low bore axis run and not have it cause premature stress factors.  You could easily mount a sound activated solenoid on your shoulder and tap you each time it hears a pop than trying to integrate something into a KRISS Vector
 


 


 

Huh. Sounds like you really know your airsoft internals over there, Guges Mk3! 
 

When you say “recoil on a low bore axis run and not have it cause premature stress factors”, are there any materials in particular you think might experience unmanageable stress? Maybe those pieces could be replaced with more durable materials. I’d like to figure out if it’s a space issue (not enough room within the casing) or if it’s a material durability issue (or both).

I’ve done a bit of metal working and 3D print stuff, so I think I could make it work (even if the answer was a little unconventional 😆), I just don’t know airsoft internals all that well, so I’m not sure what might need replacing/inventing. 

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There is no part you can swap out.  The shell is mostly zinc alloy of some type.

Start banging on it with a weight in a concentrated area and it will crack.

SystemA tried to simulate recoil back in the early  2000's with TM's and they had a piston made of a heavy alloy...I think the thing was almost 2.8 ounces.  It was made from MIM.

This was also back in the day when they thought Aluminum pistons were a good idea...

I tried googling it and I am not seeing it...it's going to live on in the minds of us "old school" players.

Made a lot of racket, slowed your AEG down and then sheared off the front of the mechbox...that is mainly due to the design flaw of V2's.

Then people switched to external "recoil engines" that sat in the buffer tube.

With the Kriss...that is no place for a recoil engine based on a weight.  And then the whole issue of the law of inertia...
 

 

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On 4/20/2020 at 7:30 AM, Guges Mk3 said:

There is no part you can swap out.  The shell is mostly zinc alloy of some type.

Start banging on it with a weight in a concentrated area and it will crack.

SystemA tried to simulate recoil back in the early  2000's with TM's and they had a piston made of a heavy alloy...I think the thing was almost 2.8 ounces.  It was made from MIM.

This was also back in the day when they thought Aluminum pistons were a good idea...

I tried googling it and I am not seeing it...it's going to live on in the minds of us "old school" players.

Made a lot of racket, slowed your AEG down and then sheared off the front of the mechbox...that is mainly due to the design flaw of V2's.

Then people switched to external "recoil engines" that sat in the buffer tube.

With the Kriss...that is no place for a recoil engine based on a weight.  And then the whole issue of the law of inertia...
 

 

Hm, seems like it’d a rough go at it in the least. Not sure if you’ve seen KWA’s Ronin TK .45, but that has an electric recoil system in it (I own one).

The recoil isn’t as impressive as a GBB to be sure, but it’s definitely present and adds to the experience.

I’ll probably just take a look at the set-up they have in there.

Of course, the Kriss isn’t set up like the Ronin, but there may be some principle ideas that could transfer.

Like you were saying, though, sometimes you don’t know how these things will perform until you make it, play with it for 6 months, and then find yourself with unforeseen consequences... Lol, WHELP guess that’s the consequence of inventing stuff! I guess my greatest problem may actually be not having enough knowledge on airsoft internals. 😕

Do you know of any great sources for newbs to learn airsoft internals, Guges Mk3? 🤷‍♂️

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Some Youtube videos are good.  But You will have to search for those and "good" is a relative term.  If you find an interesting one...post it here and we can critique it's accuracy.

But, not the one from the 9 year old with shaky hands....ignore those.

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Found it on good old Dentrinity....

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Brass piston Head (adds weight)

MIM Steel Piston

And thus I am able to find more pictures...

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You could always buy that beasty from Den and drop it into a Kriss...I wouldn't go High FPS or ROF though...
 

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4 hours ago, Guges Mk3 said:

Found it on good old Dentrinity....

za-03-42.jpg

Brass piston Head (adds weight)

MIM Steel Piston

And thus I am able to find more pictures...

kit-systema-pisto-cabeca-cilindro-mola-h

kit-systema-pisto-cabeca-cilindro-mola-h

 

You could always buy that beasty from Den and drop it into a Kriss...I wouldn't go High FPS or ROF though...
 

Ha shoot man, that’s pretty great! Thanks a lot for looking around, much appreciated. Never heard of DenTrinity before, but I checked ‘em out, and they seem like the real OGs!


Yeah, I can imagine there would be an automatic drop in FPS/ROF with a heavier bolt anyways (unless you somehow tossed a
12-volt LiPo in there and replaced all parts impacted by the piston with MIM steel replacements to compensate 🤣). 
It does seem like a lot of work for a functional downgrade, huh? Lol.

I had thought it would be sweet to replace the outer shell of the Kriss with something more sturdy (3D printed), but from what I’m seeing from our correspondence, it doesn’t seem that that is what would be suffering advanced stress factors.

And YouTube seems a plethora of opportunities - Appreciate the offer, I’ll let ya know if I find some good stuff 👍

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On 4/23/2020 at 8:04 AM, Guges Mk3 said:

Found it on good old Dentrinity....

za-03-42.jpg

Brass piston Head (adds weight)

MIM Steel Piston

And thus I am able to find more pictures...

kit-systema-pisto-cabeca-cilindro-mola-h

kit-systema-pisto-cabeca-cilindro-mola-h

 

You could always buy that beasty from Den and drop it into a Kriss...I wouldn't go High FPS or ROF though...
 

Yo Guges Mk3, where did you find this on DenTrinity?

I’ve searched their website with lots of keyword searches including just simply “piston” and looked at dozens and DOZENS of search results but couldn’t find it 😐

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