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zgzdgz

E&L ELM Gen2 feeding/shooting problem

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Hello there, around a year ago I bought an E&L ELM ak together with 5 steel mags, and recently, I don't know what, but,gun started to misfeed, doublefeed, or after inserting a new mag, the few bb's will mostly ALWAYS comes out through the barrel and then continuing firing it, it starts to feed well, and then again, it causes problems.I am using 7.4v lipo, and currently I'm using specna arms bb's, .23's and .25's, and also I've noticed, that, when it feels it's not feeding, and I take the mag out, it seems that the bb's, are either stuck or not being picked up by the spring's tension, like you can see that they are a bit more farther down the down, but, when I either shake or give a little knock, the bb's coming out behind the follower where it should be, so what are you think the problem could be, personally, I think all mags are misfeeding or doublefeeding or just not shooting at all, I just can't really confirm that all mags are like that, but yeah, majority of cases they all causes the same problems.Also, I've disassembled the gun and took out the gearbox and the hop-up unit, which both seems to be fine, when I put a bb in the chamber, the hop-up holds it, so I guess, it's not the hop-up unit then, yet, I haven't directly accessed the gearbox itself, the gun shoots fine without the mag, when Insert the mag, I get a really weird sound when I pulling the trigger, either on semi or auto, and no bb's coming out the barrel during that time, and also I may add, that, sometimes, fire selector does not work properly, like it's catching, but, it's more like, if I go from safety to semi, and then again to full auto, it acts like safety, the trigger is blocked, so I go back again to the safe mode, and then again to the full auto and it works again, is this common with E&L's or just in general with AEG's ak's ?

 

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A caliper?Hmm, I think not, just a couple of rulers.Yes, I remember I've tried bls, they actually indeed worked great, so as the ASG Devil bb's, but, I don't know, I kind of never thought that would sa bb's would cause any trouble as I read that people use these bb's in their E&L's, so, I thought it should work in mine, too, also, I've compared the diameter of both, BL'S and SA'S, as it says on their website it's 5.95 mm +/- 0.01 on both of the packages.Also, just like several hours ago, I've completely disassembled the gearbox and when I tried to inspect parts for any damage, I haven't found any, just TONS Of grease, and bit of dirt, so I've put it back together and tried to shoot, it shoots, but, for the record, I've took some photos of these parts, in case I missed something.

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Here is a bit of advice.  American Consumerism does NOT apply in airsoft.

Thongs are not made to a standard.  Information on packaging does not mean it's true.  It's a buyer beware or the distributor will fleece the user market.

EF products, Titan LIONs and Tenergy LIPO.s...none of it is the best or even mediocre in some cases, yet they sell it at a 400% price point to do one thing...fleece the user in this market like a wooly sheep.  I know...I worked in this industry and I was part of the Rebel forces...sadly the Empire won out.

Just because it's printed does not mean it is so.

Batch manufacturing under contract means they just get it cheap and if a few thousand bad ones gets through...they don't care.  

Swapping BBs is a simple test.  Calipering them is even easier if you have this tool..

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I see, hmm, I suppose you are right bud, bussiness is bussiness... But on the on other hand, could be, by any chance it's the mag's fault?And what about the hopup, is worth it to upgrade it on an E&L ,to say, cyma, maple leaf, or shs hopup units?

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mag swap is another simple test.  Know of anyone that has one you can try.

An E&L Hop-Up Unit is on par with CYMA/SHS...the shell is all made in China.

Maple Leaf doesn't have a Hop-Up shell.

Now if you are talking about the rubber/packing.  Yes, that can help.  I would try soft 50/60 durometer and then work forward.

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That chart is absolutely worthless.

Durometer rating for certain FPS is a legacy mistranslation from 20 years ago.  Use what works best for your setup via testing, charts like these don't account for nuances that is "real" life.

There are variables that affect performance that is not addressed in this list.

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I see, thank you for clarifying that buddy, yet, I've discovered another problem, when I select full auto it shoot while I hold it, when I release and try to shoot, it acts like on safe, and then again it works and then again it acts on safe, but interestingly enough, it happens when the battery is plugged in, when I disconnect the battery, and then try selector, it acts fine, it's weird...

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Yeah buddy, I know, it's just that, the gun itself hates the gearbox, but don't worry about, gearbox is working, I just put some duct tape on it, but yeah in general, the gearbox always getting caught in the way, so there is no way totally safe way to getting in and out without scratching, and you mean this cut-off lever ?Yeah, the spring is in place buddy, all springs are in place.

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Thank you kindly Buddy for your help, I mean it!By the way, what are the solutions to fix the mags, I heard you can file the follower a little, and put  a bb behind the spring of the mag to increase it's tension, I mean, is it worth it to fix those mags or just replace them instead?

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If it's not broken don't "fix" it.

Some mag makers do NOT have weak springs.  Some do.  You can retemper the springs yourself, replace them or put a spacer in via the bb/spacer trick.

However, it your spring is getting weak.  That is a sign of future failures to come...just get better mags for the long term and don't leave bbs in the magazine when you are not playing.

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1 hour ago, Guges Mk3 said:

If it's not broken don't "fix" it.

Some mag makers do NOT have weak springs.  Some do.  You can retemper the springs yourself, replace them or put a spacer in via the bb/spacer trick.

However, it your spring is getting weak.  That is a sign of future failures to come...just get better mags for the long term and don't leave bbs in the magazine when you are not playing.

Thanks mate, Will do!

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Update:LBS bb's solve the feeding problem and it shoots well with all the mags, however, the selective fire modes, doe's not work as it should, it's like, when I switch to full auto and fire it, it shoots fine, til I release the trigger and trying to fire again, then it acts like on safe, and after some trigger jiggling, it works again, and then it's not.I've aligned the gears properly, semi and safe modes acts fine, but, I can feel it, like, on the full auto, the trigger is being  caught a bit with something before I press the trigger fully, so, what are your thoughts ?

 

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